Bad at picking parts need help

[mayo0]

so i made this list i have 4000 aud limit can go a little over 

https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/qBd

 

What i am looking for is a gaming rig that can handle streaming and gaming like COD, Overwatch and all fps types. could you see any improvements i can make and will all my parts be compatible or not(new to picking parts hard to figure this out) 

 

What i don't  want 

to scared to go water cooling(call me a baby but the risk is always there)

 

 

What i want

little bit of RGB 

room for future growth so full tower

 

Really need help weighing in if i am missing better deals or any parts with better performance. Mostly want clarification if all the parts could fit in and compatible for this build and is there any tips and tricks for this.

 

Thanks for reading 

 

[Slottr]

2 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

No ryzen proccesors  

Why?

 

2 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

Really need help weighing in if i am missing better deals or any parts with better performance

You are, because Ryzen

[mayo0]

1 minute ago, Slottr said:

Why?

 

You are, because Ryzen

Why is that i always thought Intel was superior or has something changed recently?

[Slottr]

1 minute ago, mayo0 said:

Why is that i always thought Intel was superior or has something changed recently?

Not really

The Ryzen chips have given intel a strong competition. Their prices are infinitely better for what you get compared to the intel equivalent.

[GrockleTD]

1 minute ago, mayo0 said:

Why is that i always thought Intel was superior or has something changed recently?

there is a marginal FPS gain with intel, but that is also with a 2080Ti. ryzen 5 3600 is currently the price/performance king

[mayo0]

7 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Not really

The Ryzen chips have given intel a strong competition. Their prices are infinitely better for what you get compared to the intel equivalent.

i change my statement ryzen allowed thanks for the persuasion i looked and it is great for the build just need help with which one

[Slottr]

6 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

i change my statement ryzen allowed thanks for the persuasion i looked and it is great for the build just need help with which one

Great to hear lol

 

Regarding that, what resolution and refresh rate do you play on?

[Hilltrot]

First, you have to realize that intel will be changing motherboards this year.  It’s not the best time to go “all-in” for intel.

 

Ryzen right now is beating intel on all metrics - really not the right time to be an Intel fan-boy.

 

You budget allows for a 2080 super, AMD 3600, 2 tb nvme 16 GB 4000 hz memory, and a good motherboard.

 

Remember at a certain price range, you have to purchase such things as better monitor and other peripherals.  That is unless all you plan to do is run Cinebench and FRAPS all day long.

[Hypercore]

You could get 32GB of memory at this price point

 

[mayo0]

16 minutes ago, Slottr said:

Great to hear lol

 

Regarding that, what resolution and refresh rate do you play on?

have a 144hz refresh rate, 1ms response time and resolution was 2560x1080

[mayo0]

11 minutes ago, Hilltrot said:

First, you have to realize that intel will be changing motherboards this year.  It’s not the best time to go “all-in” for intel.

 

Ryzen right now is beating intel on all metrics - really not the right time to be an Intel fan-boy.

 

You budget allows for a 2080 super, AMD 3600, 2 tb nvme 16 GB 4000 hz memory, and a good motherboard.

 

Remember at a certain price range, you have to purchase such things as better monitor and other peripherals.  That is unless all you plan to do is run Cinebench and FRAPS all day long.

what would you build with the budget i would like to see?

[KaitouX]

Ryzen build example:

Spoiler

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($578.00 @ Shopping Express)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($118.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($334.40 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($124.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($168.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP Video Card  ($1644.70 @ Device Deal)
Case: Thermaltake View 51 ARGB Edition ATX Full Tower Case  ($322.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.00 @ Computer Alliance)
Total: $3633.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-15 13:36 AEST+1000

 

 

Intel build example

Spoiler

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($889.90 @ Newegg Australia)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($118.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($335.00 @ I-Tech)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($124.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($168.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP Video Card  ($1644.70 @ Device Deal)
Case: Thermaltake View 51 ARGB Edition ATX Full Tower Case  ($322.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.00 @ Computer Alliance)
Total: $3946.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-15 13:40 AEST+1000

 

 

Both are just overkill examples of what you could get, I personally would save on some things to get a nice monitor, speakers/headphones, mouse and keyboard, but if you already got those you could either go overkill anyway or save some money.

 

[Hypercore]

2 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

Ryzen build example:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($578.00 @ Shopping Express)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($118.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($334.40 @ Newegg Australia)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($124.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($168.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP Video Card  ($1644.70 @ Device Deal)
Case: Thermaltake View 51 ARGB Edition ATX Full Tower Case  ($322.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.00 @ Computer Alliance)
Total: $3633.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-15 13:36 AEST+1000

 

 

Intel build example

  Hide contents

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($889.90 @ Newegg Australia)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15S 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler  ($118.00 @ Shopping Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($335.00 @ I-Tech)
Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($124.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($175.00 @ Shopping Express)
Storage: Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  ($168.00 @ Shopping Express)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB VENTUS GP Video Card  ($1644.70 @ Device Deal)
Case: Thermaltake View 51 ARGB Edition ATX Full Tower Case  ($322.30 @ Newegg Australia)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($169.00 @ Computer Alliance)
Total: $3946.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-15 13:40 AEST+1000

 

 

Both are just overkill examples of what you could get, I personally would save on some things to get a nice monitor, speakers/headphones, mouse and keyboard, but if you already got those you could either go overkill anyway or save some money.

 

shouldnt you go for an all-in-1 water cooler at this point?

[Slottr]

5 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

have a 144hz refresh rate, 1ms response time and resolution was 2560x1080

Well luckily you won't have to spend anywhere near 4000

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$326.70 @ Newegg Australia
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports CPU Cooler	$66.05 @ Amazon Australia
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$204.70 @ Device Deal
Memory	Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$141.90 @ Newegg Australia
Storage	Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$168.00 @ Shopping Express
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$92.00 @ Shopping Express
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB XC GAMING Video Card	$1394.60 @ Device Deal
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$171.60 @ Newegg Australia
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$189.00 @ Austin Computers
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$2754.55
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-15 13:54 AEST+1000

Even this is overkill for what you have, would work fairly well

[Slottr]

1 minute ago, Hypercore said:

shouldnt you go for an all-in-1 water cooler at this point?

Good air coolers like the D15 or DRP4 are on par with  mid range air coolers.

[KaitouX]

Just now, Hypercore said:

shouldnt you go for an all-in-1 water cooler at this point?

No reason to do so, and he said he doesn't want to. And for the Ryzen system it would barely make any difference.

[Dedayog]

49 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

Why is that i always thought Intel was superior or has something changed recently?

Not to be rude, but this statement alone tells me you really should do a LOT more research before spending that amount of money.

 

Ryzen has come up over the past 3 years or so, and not to have seen them means you're lacking a LOT of information about the scene.

 

Definitely take the advice of the peeps here, but before you pull any trigger I'd lewarn more about what you're buying.

 

Good luck and enjoy whichever way you go!

[mayo0]

1 minute ago, jstudrawa said:

Not to be rude, but this statement alone tells me you really should do a LOT more research before spending that amount of money.

 

Ryzen has come up over the past 3 years or so, and not to have seen them means you're lacking a LOT of information about the scene.

 

Definitely take the advice of the peeps here, but before you pull any trigger I'd lewarn more about what you're buying.

 

Good luck and enjoy whichever way you go!

thanks

[mayo0]

Just want to thank you all for your help this is heaps to think about. 

[Hilltrot]

19 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

what would you build with the budget i would like to see?

https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/pNp
 

you have 350 to spend on improvements or peripherals.  I included a decent monitor for the build because you do need a decent monitor for the price.

[mayo0]

https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/xwt

 

came up with this build. good yeah nah

 

 

[KaitouX]

37 minutes ago, mayo0 said:

https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/xwt

 

came up with this build. good yeah nah

 

 

Both builds that I and @Slottr posted are better.

That GPU is too expensive for a 2070S, you can get a 2080S for the same price. The motherboard is also too expensive, it makes no sense to spend almost double on the motherboard than on the CPU in a build like this. The PSU is also too expensive, 650W is more than enough, the Corsair PSU(either RM or RMx) in the builds above is a better deal. The RAM is also too expensive but maybe justified if you really want the RGB, and if you want 32GB you should get the 2x16GB. The SSD is too small, no reason to get only 256GB on a build this expensive. The cooler is also too expensive, you can get similar performance for almost half the price with the bequiet! DRP4, Deepcool Assasin III, Cryorig R1 Ultimate and others, and it is mostly unnecessary to use such high-end cooler on a 3600. Also the 3600X costs too much over the 3600 to be worth it, 90AUD for a better cooler that you won't use and a minimal clock speed bump at stock isn't worth it.

[Hilltrot]

1 hour ago, mayo0 said:

https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/xwt

 

came up with this build. good yeah nah

Is there a reason why you really want to have a mechanical drive?  The larger an SSD is, the faster it becomes.
 

The 3600 is the same as the 3600x, except the 3600x costs more.  The 3600x is literally a rip-off - especially since you are replacing the cooler.

 

You really like that thermaltake case.  It is a rip-off of a Lian-li.  I’m curious if there is something special about the case which is different from the Lian li.

 

Except that it is not available till December,  I see nothing wrong with the power supply.

 

What made you want to increase memory to 32 GB?  For Amd builds, speed is important in gaming performance.  Get 3600 Hz memory.

[Hilltrot]

1 hour ago, KaitouX said:

That GPU is too expensive for a 2070S, you can get a 2080S for the same price.

Actually no.  You’re wrong.  On the same website, you can’t obtain a 2080s for that same price.  But I do agree that he should get a 2080s.

 

1 hour ago, KaitouX said:

The motherboard is also too expensive, it makes no sense to spend almost double on the motherboard than on the CPU in a build like this.

Why does it make no sense?   
 

Look at your own forums here?  Where are most of the problems and complaints coming from?

 

Motherboards.  People cheaped-out on their motherboards, a few years pass and now they have problems.  Sometimes they have them even earlier.

 

Motherboards help determine the NVME performance, USB performance, WIFI performance, sound performance, overclocking performance, stability, power distribution, fan headers, water pump headers, and more.

 

What does the CPU (APU) do?  Run Cinebench?  Help support the graphics card?

 

Which is easier to replace? The Motherboard or the CPU (APU)?

 

In addition, CPU(APU) quality is the same across the board.  Motherboard quality varies dramatically.  
 

A better motherboard is easier to build a computer with and easier to maintain and troubleshoot.  One of the advantages of a DIY build is that you don’t have to use crap for your motherboard!  Otherwise, one might as well buy an HP!

 

If one was really limited in money, then buying the cheapest mobile on the market makes sense, but with a build this expensive?

[SavageNeo]

much better build: https://www.pccasegear.com/sc/dKV