BOINC Pentathlon 2020

[cbigfoot]

38 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

Which BOINC Manager is that?

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/addon_item.php?platform=win&item=boincview.zip

 

its the only one that works correctly that i found

[Windows7ge]

The power keeps going out at the office and the diesel engine generators are taking a full 10 seconds to kick in when it's suppose to be instantaneous.

 

What does this mean? It means this is a PITA trying to slack off work to forward science and our team when I keep losing connection to my servers! Damn wind storms.

 

On another note VNC Viewer over a VPN. It's nearly as good as using it just over a LAN. 10/10 do recommend.

[cbigfoot]

24 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

The power keeps going out at the office and the diesel engine generators are taking a full 10 seconds to kick in when it's suppose to be instantaneous.

 

What does this mean? It means this is a PITA trying to slack off work to forward science and our team when I keep losing connection to my servers! Damn wind storms.

 

On another note VNC Viewer over a VPN. It's nearly as good as using it just over a LAN. 10/10 do recommend.

that means the battery bank that is supposed to hold yall over till the generator is running is bad lol..a data center i worked at had a diesel like that.  but it takes 3 minutes for it to stabilize before you could put load on it. so they have a battery bank that holds power for upwards of 30 mins if needed

[Windows7ge]

34 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

that means the battery bank that is supposed to hold yall over till the generator is running is bad lol..a data center i worked at had a diesel like that.  but it takes 3 minutes for it to stabilize before you could put load on it. so they have a battery bank that holds power for upwards of 30 mins if needed

I figured there would have to be some type of buffer/giant capacitor so-to-speak to keep equipment going until the generator(s) are up to full RPM and stabilize their output.

 

I spoke with a co-worker. They said the generator(s) are tested once a week every week. Well, I guess that doesn't include the battery that holds everything over until the generator is actually ready to supply power.

[cbigfoot]

2 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

I figured there would have to be some type of buffer/giant capacitor so-to-speak to keep equipment going until the generator(s) are up to full RPM and stabilize their output.

 

I spoke with a co-worker. They said the generator(s) are tested once a week every week. Well, I guess that doesn't include the battery that holds everything over until the generator is actually ready to supply power.

yep the batteries are tested at time of need typically from what the DC manager said but they have their banks tested quarterly lol...its scary i was there when they did it, as they cut feed power to test...and the generator is running but not connected if any thing goes wrong...disaster...but if they sense an issue it will set off an alarm and they reengage power.

[leadeater]

3 hours ago, Gorgon said:

Check your RAM usage and system load.

 

I saw ridiculous numbers for time when the system was swapping and un-responsiveness when too many cores were assigned.

 

I found the best stability when I had at least 1GB free mem and 1 thread free for the OS on Linux.

 

Might want to double those for Windoze

Yep my Linux systems with tons of ram are running fine and expected run time, my 4930k gaming system with only 16GB ram and me still using it is getting in the area of 16 hour run times lol.

[Windows7ge]

20 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

yep the batteries are tested at time of need typically from what the DC manager said but they have their banks tested quarterly lol...its scary i was there when they did it, as they cut feed power to test...and the generator is running but not connected if any thing goes wrong...disaster...but if they sense an issue it will set off an alarm and they reengage power.

I just spoke with "The Big Cheese" about your theory and he said "No, that's not it, it's a problem with power coming from the street.".

 

...isn't the backup power system suppose to monitor power from the street constantly and engage the battery while starting up the generator so regardless of what's going on on the street we see at most a light flicker if that? Not 10 full seconds of blackout?

 

I'm not generator expert but I think he knows even less than I do.

[leadeater]

1 hour ago, Windows7ge said:

The power keeps going out at the office and the diesel engine generators are taking a full 10 seconds to kick in when it's suppose to be instantaneous.

Whoever told you that needs a kick, generators can't kick in immediately. When they get the gen start signal they take a bit to actually start then they go in to a warm-up cycle then they go in to a phase match cycle then, and only then, start providing power. What you need is a big ass UPS connected to the building mains that can hold 1 to 5 minutes of power.

[Windows7ge]

23 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Whoever told you that needs a kick, generators can't kick in immediately. When they get the gen start signal they take a bit to actually start then they go in to a warm-up cycle then they go in to a phase match cycle then, and only then, start providing power. What you need is a big ass UPS connected to the building mains that can hold 1 to 5 minutes of power.

I know a generator can't provide instantaneous power but as a package unit (Generator + big UPS) we're not suppose to see these sort of brownouts in the office.

 

Somewhere between that battery and the generators (I think there's 3) there's an awkward delay going on. It's one of those intermittent problems. The delay isn't being consistent.

 

The best kind of problems to solve are the ones that aren't consistent. Reason being that means the problem could be anything. Glad I'm not the one who has to fix it.

[leadeater]

32 minutes ago, Windows7ge said:

I know a generator can't provide instantaneous power but as a package unit (Generator + big UPS) we're not suppose to see these sort of brownouts in the office.

 

Somewhere between that battery and the generators (I think there's 3) there's an awkward delay going on. It's one of those intermittent problems. The delay isn't being consistent.

 

The best kind of problems to solve are the ones that aren't consistent. Reason being that means the problem could be anything. Glad I'm not the one who has to fix it.

Probably using an older style solution with Automatic Transfer Switches which have to phase latch and themselves have issues contact sticking due to arc heating. Now days you can actually just common rail all your power input devices and forgo change over devices entirely. For us we just put the UPSs between the power input to the building entirely so the UPS is never not providing power (Online Double Conversion), UPS pair has dual input which is mains and generator. Whenever you add in logic controllers and sensors you're just adding complexity and problem points.

 

We just changed over to this about 2-3 months ago, only the DC had generator and UPS before but now the building itself does because there wasn't any reason not to. All the aircon load is coming off as we're switching to passive water cooling and hot air containment so cooling is just water pumps and fans.

[Gorgon]

Getting creative I was able to get just enough memory on all the systems by purchasing 1 2 x 8GB DDR-3200 kit. Picked up a Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB kits as the LEDs apparently make it go faster.

 

In reality it's to replace the plain black 2 x 8GB DDR4-3200 CL16 kit the youngest kid agreed to swap out for 2 x 4GB DDR4-2400 while the competition is in play. They've been a champ allowing me to run F@H and now BOINC on their Gaming system and as it's a Ryzen 2600 in a white Meshify C the Rainbow Puke will be appreciated as it will complement the cheapo 120mm DeepCool RGB Fans already there and the Wraith Prism cooler from the 2700x.

 

All of my systems are still folding with GPUs and I've a minimum of 1GB memory Free and 1 free thread for each system.

 

The 16-core systems all have 12GB and the 16-core system with 6 GPUs has 16GB and the 3900x has 24GB. Some really strange combinations of DDR4-2400 and DDR4-3200 and single, dual, and 1 1/2 bank configurations in there but the systems don't seem to care.

 

Even had a single 4GB stick of DDR4-2400 left over so that went into my test system with a Pentium G5500 for 3 more threads.

 

81 active threads on Rosetta now and the disks all tuned so they can keep fed.

 

I'm somewhat disk-limited as most systems just have a single 120GB SATA m.2 disk and most dual-boot Windoze as well for testing. So I don't know how much bunkering I'd be able to do. @Windows7ge what are the approximate file sizes you've seen for Rosetta projects so far?

[Gorgon]

5 hours ago, cbigfoot said:

https://boinc.berkeley.edu/addon_item.php?platform=win&item=boincview.zip

 

its the only one that works correctly that i found

Thanks. Turns out I downloaded it last year but never got around to trying it out.

Spoiler

 

[leadeater]

27 minutes ago, Gorgon said:

Windows7ge what are the approximate file sizes you've seen for Rosetta projects so far?

Each task can be nearly 1GB, it's actually a really big problem for me, more so than ram.

[Gorgon]

Just now, leadeater said:

Each task can be nearly 1GB, it's actually a really big problem for me, more so than ram.

Oof! That hurts

[leadeater]

@Gorgon

How long does it take for your host view to fully update? Mine is filled with a lot of default estimates other than 2 hosts.

 

[cbigfoot]

6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

@Gorgon

How long does it take for your host view to fully update? Mine is filled with a lot of default estimates other than 2 hosts.

 

mine a few seconds per refresh if that.  but only have 3 computers currently

[leadeater]

Just now, cbigfoot said:

mine a few seconds per refresh if that.  but only have 3 computers currently

Mine just don't seem to want to update, doesn't matter what I do. Might try removing and re-adding one and see if that work. Going to wait like ~8 hours so a good amount of work data is collected, maybe that will do it.

[cbigfoot]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Mine just don't seem to want to update, doesn't matter what I do. Might try removing and re-adding one and see if that work. Going to wait like ~8 hours so a good amount of work data is collected, maybe that will do it.

weird as mine seems to be pretty much real time 

[Windows7ge]

1 hour ago, Gorgon said:

what are the approximate file sizes you've seen for Rosetta projects so far?

I'm being forced to rebuild all my VMs because the boot disks filled all the way up with only 50 or so jobs. I will report back when I have them all back online with more storage.

[leadeater]

Estimate credits per day on Rosetta: 3,200,000 (work + home systems)

 

According to boincview.

[leadeater]

9 minutes ago, cbigfoot said:

weird as mine seems to be pretty much real time 

Figured it out, it's based on the benchmark which most of them I never bothered to run.

[Gorgon]

28 minutes ago, leadeater said:

@Gorgon

How long does it take for your host view to fully update? Mine is filled with a lot of default estimates other than 2 hosts.

 

 

7 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Figured it out, it's based on the benchmark which most of them I never bothered to run.

Right away. I think the benchmark is run on install by default. I'm guessing you rolled your own from a deployment script

[Gorgon]

20 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Estimate credits per day on Rosetta: 3,200,000 (work + home systems)

 

According to boincview.

24,595/hr or 590,280/day but I'm hoping that will go up with the extra threads added now I have the memory sorted out

[GrockleTD]

question for ya'lls, what are the thresholds for boinc badges in terms of points?

[Eschew]

6 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

question for ya'lls, what are the thresholds for boinc badges in terms of points?

Is this what you're looking for?

On 6/2/2019 at 9:55 AM, alpenwasser said:

BOINC Badge Thresholds

In order to be rewarded with the BOINC Team badge, please note the following requirements. (subject to change)

 

• Contributor - When you have contributed more than 25,000 credits, your will qualify for this badge, to show your commitment to LTT and the team.
• Bronze Contributor - When you have contributed more than 1 Million credits, your will qualify for this badge. This reflects your serious and continued support of the team.
• Silver Contributor - When you have contributed more than 25 Million credits, your will qualify for this badge. This reflects your serious and continued support of the team and your very generous donation of resources.
• Gold Contributor - When you have contributed more than 100 Million credits, your will qualify for this badge. This reflects your dedication and continued support of the team and your very generous donation of resources. You are now a legend!

It's erm... On the first page of the F@H and BOINC Badge Request Thread...?