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Just now, leadeater said:

TS? Drawing a blank on that one.

TechSpot, HU and TechSpot are closely related

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Just now, 5x5 said:

TechSpot, HU and TechSpot are closely related

Right, yea knew that just couldn't translate TS in to the name lol.

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2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Right, yea knew that just couldn't translate TS in to the name lol.

All good, btw check the updated topic I just bumped. You'll have a laugh

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

All good, btw check the updated topic I just bumped. You'll have a laugh

Already read it 😉

 

I'm good, I've got a few KW of cooling capability in my loop. Still not buying anything until more GPUs come out.

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Haven't read the whole thread, not a fan of UB, just some random thoughts.

 

The 3700X statement was indicated as being made about 9 months ago. That would put it close to launch time. Weren't there ongoing problems with... well, everything Zen 2 at the time? Ram compatibility and general lack of bios maturity, Windows scheduler issues, nvidia driver support of Zen 2. Any of that could have adversely affected results AT THE TIME. Not today, it is pretty solid now.

 

The 4c4t Intel being "faster" than the 8c16t Zen 2 is harder to understand today. I don't know about the specific titles they mention, but in the DISTANT PAST I might have agreed. I recall my stock 6600k (4c4t) was faster in games I cared about than an OC 1700 (8c16t). But that was in a time before games used much more than 4 cores, and also Zen 2 is a big jump ahead from OG Zen.

 

The Ryzen 4000 mobile CPU thing, we have one more factor that might be contributing but I've not looked to see if anyone has tried to do a direct comparison with desktop models. To reduce cost the L3 caches of the mobile CPUs are much smaller than the desktop ones we're most familiar with. I have no idea how much impact that might have. Even then, I doubt it is enough to make that much of a difference.


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8 hours ago, porina said:

The Ryzen 4000 mobile CPU thing, we have one more factor that might be contributing but I've not looked to see if anyone has tried to do a direct comparison with desktop models. To reduce cost the L3 caches of the mobile CPUs are much smaller than the desktop ones we're most familiar with. I have no idea how much impact that might have. Even then, I doubt it is enough to make that much of a difference.

It's also done to reduce idle power draw. SRAM is extremely difficult to power gate, so simply not having the amount they have on desktop helps.

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/r/hardware
/r/intel

/r/amd

 

All three subreddits officially banned Userbench links, soft ban for /r/AMD.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AMD/wiki/userbenchmark

 

I wonder if other subs like PCMR will follow suit, probably not. 


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Was about to post it lol. Guess userbench are going tits up in.

 

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It always amuses me how much stock people put in reddit.   Every time I go there the place is full of school children arguing which dinosaur is the best.    It's like watching a bunch of flat earthers get into a debate about how much curve there actually is across the disc.  My dads better than your dad because he invented the tv that you watched it on sort of thing.


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Sometimes I miss contractions like n't on the end of words like wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't.    Please don't be a dick,  make allowances when reading my posts.

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12 hours ago, mr moose said:

It always amuses me how much stock people put in reddit.   Every time I go there the place is full of school children arguing which dinosaur is the best.    It's like watching a bunch of flat earthers get into a debate about how much curve there actually is across the disc.  My dads better than your dad because he invented the tv that you watched it on sort of thing.

if a news cycle was a dinner table, reddit would be the toilet at the corner of the room receiving the excrement 


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On 4/11/2020 at 3:48 AM, valdyrgramr said:

It's not just heat and power consumption comparisons, but the fact that Steve uses more real world application testing over purely synthetic benching.  Steve also bothers to investigate better testing methods to improve on the faults of testing standards.   For example, rather than using blenchmark, or the new synthetic test, he uses things that he actually created.

For me hes borning af to watch, luckily there are people who loves to watch him and to post his results 😊

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6 hours ago, Lakobrija said:

For me hes borning af to watch, luckily there are people who loves to watch him and to post his results 😊

I prefer him over most because his info is usually a lot better, and when I am buying new parts for my workstation good information is critical.  I need to see someone actually rendering, not just using blenchmark or the new variant.  I don't watch them to be entertained, and too many of them focus on the entertainment over the actual information.  Or, they don't know what they are doing, so they run synthetic benchmarks.  That's why I don't watch LTT and a few others anymore because they don't focus on good testing methodology, and focus more on entertainment and other aspects that don't really matter.  To be fair, that's not always true, but it is far more true than not.  I do have to give Linus credit as well for stating that he would prefer real world testing over synthetic.  But, I don't ever recall them ever doing that with Blender, Maya, or similar sw.


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On 4/18/2020 at 4:47 PM, mr moose said:

Every time I go there the place is full of school children arguing which dinosaur is the best.    It's like watching a bunch of flat earthers get into a debate about how much curve there actually is across the disc.  My dads better than your dad because he invented the tv that you watched it on sort of thing.

Basically UserBench target audience. 

 

 


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5 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

Basically UserBench target audience. 

 

 

Oh the irony, at least they still have top google results, facebook, mentions in a fair number of online mags.  Even notebookcheck still write up tweets and facebook doodles about UBM (in this case ironically about how good the Renoir was performing over Intel).

 

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

Sometimes I miss contractions like n't on the end of words like wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't.    Please don't be a dick,  make allowances when reading my posts.

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