Userbenchmark does more shady stuff

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1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

I live in California by the shore with no AC we do have days here for about a week or 2 a year were it is near 100F. there are people inland who I wouldn't be surrprised if it was 110 and they had no AC and would be using a laptop. hell my room is normally above 75F right now.

I modded my AC for a chiller once. I feel your pain. 

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I modded my AC for a chiller once. I feel your pain. 

 my point is lab testing is important for comparisons but that doesn't mean lab testing can't be extreme. if you could find a way to heat a space to 100F and hold it there go test laptops there

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6 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

 my point is lab testing is important for comparisons but that doesn't mean lab testing can't be extreme. if you could find a way to heat a space to 100F and hold it there go test laptops there

A laptop that houses a cpu with a 95c thermal throttle limit?? 

 

Scratching my head. Isn't the goal generally to run your electronics colder? 

Do TECs not cool lazers? Do TECs not cool processors?

 

My water loop is 8c. Geothermal. Is not directly effected by ambient air temps. I know exactly how to maintain a temperature. It's kinda what I do. Would you take my word on a review then? Because my water delta is lower than ambient? Or perhaps use 100f ambient temp instead? what would be the difference there? None, the cpu won't throttle until 95c lol. So until then, a stock review benchmark should be exactly the same even within a pretty decent sized ambient temp variable.

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I understand what your saying. It's good that people can review the data is close enough. Obviously reviews lack those strange scenarios where weather could be a factor.

If wide scale user experience is that different then the standardized test was flawed and needs fixing.

 

4 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Imagine bios updates that increase memory compatibility performance and frequency. That changes quite a bit of numbers there.

If a bios update changes the results enough to really matter in terms of pure performance and which laptop or laptop CPU is better then that is a situation of two potentials; revisit of the testing needs to be done or the product was faulty on release.

 

If you didn't buy a laptop at release because of it's performance and then a year later it got better you still made the correct choice.

 

Revisits of products does happen but only if there is a significant change to warrant it which is actually rare. Just look at the recent Macbook releases or Intel mobile CPUs, those are the rare cases and revisits were done. If it's not big enough to matter then it doesn't actually matter. Keeping your intakes clean matters more than minor bios improvements overall.

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

A laptop that houses a cpu with a 95c thermal throttle limit?? 

 

Scratching my head. Isn't the goal generally to run your electronics colder?

yes but heat transfer gets worst the hotter it is.

yes it is but if you really want to show if one laptop has a better cooler or 1 chip does better when given less thermal headroom you'd want to heat them

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8 minutes ago, leadeater said:

If wide scale user experience is that different then the standardized test was flawed and needs fixing.

 

If a bios update changes the results enough to really matter in terms of pure performance and which laptop or laptop CPU is better then that is a situation of two potentials; revisit of the testing needs to be done or the product was faulty on release.

 

If you didn't buy a laptop at release because of it's performance and then a year later it got better you still made the correct choice.

 

Revisits of products does happen but only if there is a significant change to warrant it which is actually rare. Just look at the recent Macbook releases or Intel mobile CPUs, those are the rare cases and revisits were done. If it's not big enough to matter then it doesn't actually matter. Keeping your intakes clean matters more than minor bios improvements overall.

I've seen plenty of bad bios releases on plenty of different makes and models of motherboards. Happened to Zen right from the get go. 

 

I'd want to believe that the hardware should be revisited on use case by popularity, maybe not for just data. 

 

We also need to remember that reviewers are a business. They are making money. It's difficult to remain bias. (towards the original reason of the topic thread)

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4 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

yes but heat transfer gets worst the hotter it is.

yes it is but if you really want to show if one laptop has a better cooler or 1 chip does better when given less thermal headroom you'd want to heat them

That's not always entirely true either my friend. It's called temp gradient. Some coolers actually work more efficiently with a higher temp gradient. (pastes as well)

 

Any how. this doesn't matter because all the laptops are the same. I just wanted to check the reviewers on the data accuracy between them all. Are the benchmarks the same as end user? We'd have to wait and see.... where ever those results might be posted. 

[5x5]

@GDRRiley We're an army now
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[5x5]

On a side note - I think they're open to litigation at this point. Their about page breaks several laws IIRC

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

@GDRRiley We're an army now

wonderful. those with brains vs those who mindless follow a herd I don't think it would be fair 

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Just now, GDRRiley said:

wonderful. those with brains vs those who mindless follow a herd I don't think it would be fair 

All I want to know is where do I get my paycheck. If I'm a corporate fake account - I want my remuneration

[GDRRiley]

Just now, 5x5 said:

All I want to know is where do I get my paycheck. If I'm a corporate fake account - I want my remuneration

those only come with lower prices on more cores. you get the same discount as everyone else who buys amd cus we are all shills

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Just now, GDRRiley said:

those only come with lower prices on more cores. you get the same discount as everyone else who buys amd cus we are all shills

Honestly, TS and HU can actually sue Userbench (and I do hope they litigate)

[GDRRiley]

4 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Honestly, TS and HU can actually sue Userbench (and I do hope they litigate)

they could but I really doubt they will

[5x5]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

they could but I really doubt they will

btw UB have disabled likes/dislikes on their YT vids and delete comments when you call them out. I guess they're as fragile as a snowflake in spring.

 

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Just now, 5x5 said:

btw UB have disabled likes/dislikes on their YT vids and delete comments when you call them out. I guess they're as fragile as a snowflake in spring

they at the same level as the verge leave their poor frozen hearts alone

[5x5]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

they at the same level as the verge leave their poor frozen hearts alone

But I want my Datacentre ultrabook

[SpaceGhostC2C]

7 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

With low power consumption and high core counts, the 4000 range, on paper at least, is a perfect fit for the datacenter. AMD should focus on delivering a platform that offers performance where end users actually need it rather than targeting inexperienced gamers with the same old "moar cores" mantra

I didn't know Ryan Shrout got a second job at Userbenchmark. Wonder if Intel is OK with it.

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37 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

TS

TS? Drawing a blank on that one.

[5x5]

Just now, leadeater said:

TS? Drawing a blank on that one.

TechSpot, HU and TechSpot are closely related

[leadeater]

Just now, 5x5 said:

TechSpot, HU and TechSpot are closely related

Right, yea knew that just couldn't translate TS in to the name lol.

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Right, yea knew that just couldn't translate TS in to the name lol.

All good, btw check the updated topic I just bumped. You'll have a laugh

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1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

All good, btw check the updated topic I just bumped. You'll have a laugh

Already read it 

 

I'm good, I've got a few KW of cooling capability in my loop. Still not buying anything until more GPUs come out.

[porina]

Haven't read the whole thread, not a fan of UB, just some random thoughts.

 

The 3700X statement was indicated as being made about 9 months ago. That would put it close to launch time. Weren't there ongoing problems with... well, everything Zen 2 at the time? Ram compatibility and general lack of bios maturity, Windows scheduler issues, nvidia driver support of Zen 2. Any of that could have adversely affected results AT THE TIME. Not today, it is pretty solid now.

 

The 4c4t Intel being "faster" than the 8c16t Zen 2 is harder to understand today. I don't know about the specific titles they mention, but in the DISTANT PAST I might have agreed. I recall my stock 6600k (4c4t) was faster in games I cared about than an OC 1700 (8c16t). But that was in a time before games used much more than 4 cores, and also Zen 2 is a big jump ahead from OG Zen.

 

The Ryzen 4000 mobile CPU thing, we have one more factor that might be contributing but I've not looked to see if anyone has tried to do a direct comparison with desktop models. To reduce cost the L3 caches of the mobile CPUs are much smaller than the desktop ones we're most familiar with. I have no idea how much impact that might have. Even then, I doubt it is enough to make that much of a difference.

[uzzi38]

8 hours ago, porina said:

The Ryzen 4000 mobile CPU thing, we have one more factor that might be contributing but I've not looked to see if anyone has tried to do a direct comparison with desktop models. To reduce cost the L3 caches of the mobile CPUs are much smaller than the desktop ones we're most familiar with. I have no idea how much impact that might have. Even then, I doubt it is enough to make that much of a difference.

It's also done to reduce idle power draw. SRAM is extremely difficult to power gate, so simply not having the amount they have on desktop helps.