Can LMG at least try to be reasonable? - screen recording is possible on a dual-core.

[Kilrah]

From the video that quad core macbook air seems passively cooled.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

is configurable up to 4k, and it's made out of aluminum (same stuff apple makes theirs out of).

just because it's the same material doesn't mean that it's the same. 

 

also up to 4k, you pay extra for that. Mac's come standard with 1600p displays. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, Kilrah said:

From the video that quad core macbook air seems passively cooled.

so? they didn't test thermals or throttling. 

[Kilrah]

2 minutes ago, Twilight said:

so? they didn't test thermals or throttling. 

Another poster was supposing that there wouldn't be passively-cooled quad cores and thus having to stay with dual if you wanted that.

 

Testing will be in the full review, this was a "first impressions" video.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

4 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Another poster was supposing that there wouldn't be passively-cooled quad cores and thus having to stay with dual if you wanted that.

well, the Air does have a fan I believe, but I'm not sure. we'll have to wait until the full review. 

[Zodiark1593]

22 minutes ago, Twilight said:

Apple did make one, the 12" MacBook. but that was plagued with thermal throttling and overheating... also they don't make it anymore. 

For something just to write on or for internet browsing and downloading stuff at friend’s place, it would’ve been perfect. The price was pretty lousy though, and the keyboard arguably is a bigger failure point than the heat. 
 

My Intel Atom 2-in-1 does pretty much the same thing at 1/10th the cost. The touchpad and display are lousy and 2 GB RAM gets cramped, but it performs plenty well for LibreOffice and Firefox, and I even play Serious Sam and Fable on it. 

[Lord Vile]

13 hours ago, TetraSky said:

Didn't watch SC video and I'm sure you could do screen recordings on a single core CPU too, really, but I'll be honest. Dual cores need to die in a fire.

It's 2020, dual cores were already outdated back in 2010. 
 

I'm not sure about macs, but on Windows, it's not rare to see dual cores working at over 50% most of the time on IDLE, only to be pinned at 100% more often than not because it just can't handle the load the moment you start doing anything. Even more so when you have more and more stuff running in the background these days.

Does it work? Sure. Could it be better? Absolutely.

 

Considering how expensive apple devices are, I'd expect at the bare minimum, to see a modern quad core in there, especially in 2020, for all the software that do benefits from having more cores.

Can't wait until more laptops are released with AMD Ryzen 4000 mobile series... Intel won't have any more excuses to keep releasing Dual Cores mobile cpus just because there was still no "competition" on that market.

You do know that laptops CPUs were mostly dual cores even i7 models up to like the 8th gen intel ones right? (U and Y series are the typical mobile chips the HQ are higher performance ones) https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/series/95544/7th-generation-intel-core-i7-processors.html 

 

Also MacOS is a LOT more efficient than windows.

 

MacBook Air isn't for heavy workloads, a dual core is fine, especially as with the models shown in the videos the dual core is around half the wattage so will save a lot of battery which is what matters in a machine you're using mainly for daily commuting, word processing etc. If you want to do anything like serious video editing you should be looking at the pro line and getting Final Cut

 

 

[Lord Vile]

10 hours ago, Twilight said:

well, the Air does have a fan I believe, but I'm not sure. we'll have to wait until the full review. 

Fiancèes 2018 air has a fan, all they've changed is the keyboard I doubt they've taken the fan out. 

[jaslion]

11 hours ago, Twilight said:

well, the Air does have a fan I believe, but I'm not sure. we'll have to wait until the full review. 

It does have a fan but not heatsink. So it's basically just moving some air around not really doing much. Pretty odd design decision but so be it.

[RasmusDC]

also a bit hurt by this video, since it is an extreme amount of "PC Snobbyness" about specs..

 

would a buy a 4 core if i could.. of course i would.. would a 2 core be enough for school... yes if it is an office suite, surfing and light excel.. no doubt about it..

 

most of our workplace still run 7200u dell machines, that 2 core 4 threads, and they work FINE with an SSD. most offices only use the smallest version of the laptops.. i have a "XPS business" machine, think it is 6 core, 12 thread and 32GIG of ram, and P1000 and to be honest, for normal work, it does not at all seem faster than the 12 inch 7200u i came from..

 

the reason i got it, was that i needed ram for large Visio elements, and Excel was really slow when running with big databases, for the rest it did not matter.. 

 

8gigs of ram an ssd and 2core/4thread cpu and your golden for that. 

[NineEyeRon]

When it comes to dual cores you just cannot compare windows and mac.

 

Apple is too well optimised to make a direct comparison.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

9 minutes ago, NineEyeRon said:

When it comes to dual cores you just cannot compare windows and mac.

 

Apple is too well optimised to make a direct comparison.

Alex in the SC video compared 2 Mac's though. the 2018 Air and the 2020 Air. 

 

52 minutes ago, jaslion said:

It does have a fan but not heatsink. So it's basically just moving some air around not really doing much. Pretty odd design decision but so be it.

that is odd, but if it works who cares. 

[jaslion]

Just now, Twilight said:

that is odd, but if it works who cares. 

That's the thing. It really doesn't. There's a couple degree difference between if it's on or off since well it doesn't do anything to dissipate heat. My old windows tablet from 2013 is as thin as the base of one and does have an fan + small heatsink so it's for sure possible.

[GDRRiley]

54 minutes ago, RasmusDC said:

also a bit hurt by this video, since it is an extreme amount of "PC Snobbyness" about specs..

 

would a buy a 4 core if i could.. of course i would.. would a 2 core be enough for school... yes if it is an office suite, surfing and light excel.. no doubt about it..

no it isn't. it is complaining that for the price apples specs are to low. dells XPS 13 ships with same ram and storage with a decent 1080p screen an a i5-10210U for the same cost.

why does a "premium" laptop company sell anything with an i3, they don't do it on any other laptop but the air. i3 belong in 400$ laptops

 

 

it was a pretty generic sentience I wouldn't be all uptight about it. he didn't say exactly what he was doing. ex: OBS record with 6 (1 being youtube) chrome tabs and a excel calc running that would load up a dual core easily.

[Lord Vile]

38 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

no it isn't. it is complaining that for the price apples specs are to low. dells XPS 13 ships with same ram and storage with a decent 1080p screen an a i5-10210U for the same cost.

why does a "premium" laptop company sell anything with an i3, they don't do it on any other laptop but the air. i3 belong in 400$ laptops

 

 

it was a pretty generic sentience I wouldn't be all uptight about it. he didn't say exactly what he was doing. ex: OBS record with 6 (1 being youtube) chrome tabs and a excel calc running that would load up a dual core easily.

You're paying for MacOS and build though not actually hardware that much. On a windows machine that might use an issue but on a Mac not so much. Only thing I've done that caused the 2018 air to groan was exporting a video in iMovie which it handed messing around with a multiple hour clip quite well. 

[RoseLuck462]

It's not a very pleasant experience even with modern Apple hardware.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, RoseLuck462 said:

It's not a very pleasant experience even with modern Apple hardware.

 

1 hour ago, GDRRiley said:

it was a pretty generic sentience I wouldn't be all uptight about it. he didn't say exactly what he was doing. ex: OBS record with 6 (1 being youtube) chrome tabs and a excel calc running that would load up a dual core easily.

did we forget about the test i did on mine where i opened a bunch of things and monitored cpu, and it never was at 100% the whole time and recording quality was good throughout the test?

[Kilrah]

4 minutes ago, Twilight said:

did we forget about the test i did on mine where i opened a bunch of things and monitored cpu, and it never was at 100% the whole time and recording quality was good throughout the test?

Your machine has a 28W TDP CPU, not comparable at all to the 9W part of the Air. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

Your machine has a 28W TDP CPU, not comparable at all to the 9W part of the Air. 

15W...

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97535/intel-core-i5-7360u-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz.html

[GDRRiley]

I see you using apples built in recorder and I don't see any super heavy tabs running. no youtube. a blank word document is easy to run. open up a spreadsheet and make it do some math.

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

I see you using apples built in recorder and I don't see any super heavy tabs running. no youtube. a blank word document is easy to run. open up a spreadsheet and make it do some math.

i don't know how, i never use spreadsheet software. i'll happily run a benchmark or whatever you want me to while recording the screen, just point me to what i can run. it has to be easy to do though. 

 

i didn't want to use youtube due to copyright reasons, that's why i had no video playing. 

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Twilight said:

i don't know how, i never use spreadsheet software. i'll happily run a benchmark or whatever you want me to while recording the screen, just point me to what i can run. it has to be easy to do though. 

 

i didn't want to use youtube due to copyright reasons, that's why i had no video playing. 

you could have muted it and not shown it.

I don't have any pre made decent benchmarks.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

I don't have any pre made decent benchmarks.

wait i can run geekbench...

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, Twilight said:

wait i can run geekbench...

yeah or cinebench

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

yeah or cinebench

gonna use cinebench. i'll use a moving thing in a web browser to show smoothness. expect a recording of it in like 15 mins since i need to convert it in handbrake to fit the 20mb filesize limit here.