should i cool my pc with liquid cooling?

[deathfrankcore]

Hello. When I'm editing my videos (they require just cuts or background change, no big vfx) my cpu temp goes up to 80°C which is a lot (i think). I started folding some weeks ago and i can see that my cpu is really hot (and it's not even naked). I didn't put any thermal paste because my ryzen 5 3600 came with pre-applied thermal paste and even if i had to buy it (long story probably i will tell you later) i didn't put mine and i used the default one. As a cooler I'm using the stock one (it shoul be the Stealth one). Should I buy a liquid cooler? 

[Slottr]

No, just get an air cooler in the 30-50$ USD range. Like an Arctic eSports

[SavageNeo]

80c is fine. your cpu is fine.

 

when your cpu reaches 96c it will get slower in order to get cooler.

when your cpu reaches 105C your pc will shutdown.

 

your cpu is all good when it is under 96C

[Slottr]

Just now, SavageNeo said:

80c is fine. your cpu is fine.

 

when your cpu reaches 96c it will get slower in order to get cooler.

when your cpu reaches 105C your pc will shutdown.

 

your cpu is all good when it is under 96C

Not for standards temperatures

[deathfrankcore]

21 minutes ago, Slottr said:

No, just get an air cooler in the 30-50$ USD range. Like an Arctic eSports

What about this Noctua NH-D9L https://www.amazon.it/dp/B00PIPCFX2/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_FRTJEbJF16SXP
Edit: the Arctic Freezer 33 eSports One is half the price. 

[07_Sev]

Liquid cooling is only going to viable is you do it custom but that is way more expensive than a good air cooler. Unless you're serious about overclocking as a hobby, not for extra peformance as your money would be better spend grabbing a different CPU, a decent air cooler will do you just fine.

[WoodenMarker]

Does it get any hotter? 80c is a bit warm but normal with the stock cooler and perfectly safe. 

What case and fans do you have and how is the case airflow setup? What rpm are the fans running at during load?

[deathfrankcore]

7 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Does it get any hotter? 80c is a bit warm but normal with the stock cooler and perfectly safe. 

What case and fans do you have and how is the case airflow setup? What rpm are the fans running at during load?

I tried again this morning to export an old project. The max temperature was 86 degrees but for few seconds. The cpu fan worked at full speed meanwhile the three case fans are at 1250 rpm and they are all set on exhaust because someone on this forum told me that the graphic card was having bad airflow 

[WoodenMarker]

1 hour ago, deathfrankcore said:

I tried again this morning to export an old project. The max temperature was 86 degrees but for few seconds. The cpu fan worked at full speed meanwhile the three case fans are at 1250 rpm and they are all set on exhaust because someone on this forum told me that the graphic card was having bad airflow 

Are you referring to this thread? 

How did temps change after flipping the top fans? I'd imagine an improvement for graphics card cooling and worsening for cpu cooling. 

If you're using the top as exhaust, removing the filter would help airflow and recommended unless settling dust is a big problem. Even then, you're a bit limited by the restrictive style of ventilation holes. With all exhaust, dust isn't going to be filtered anyway since it'll draw from any openings -- all of which lack filters.

[deathfrankcore]

10 hours ago, WoodenMarker said:

Are you referring to this thread?

 

yes. 
the Cpu temp was around 42° (old thread

) and with all exhaust they are 2 degrees less (around 39° in Ilde) and the gpu is at 29° so I think that flipping all the fans was a really good move. Dust is not a problem because I clean my room very often and the pc too. Thank you

[deathfrankcore]

On 4/9/2020 at 11:43 PM, WoodenMarker said:

Does it get any hotter? 80c is a bit warm but normal with the stock cooler and perfectly safe. 

What case and fans do you have and how is the case airflow setup? What rpm are the fans running at during load?

oh noes. i was foldind at medium and i reached 98° i didn't snapped because i was putting all the fans at 100% and then the temp dropped by 4 degrees. Now it's stuck at 91

[Dash Lambda]

On 4/9/2020 at 4:49 AM, 07_Sev said:

Liquid cooling is only going to be viable if you do it custom but that is way more expensive than a good air cooler.

What? Define "viable."

[WoodenMarker]

On 4/10/2020 at 10:07 AM, deathfrankcore said:

yes. 
the Cpu temp was around 42° (old thread

) and with all exhaust they are 2 degrees less (around 39° in Ilde) and the gpu is at 29° so I think that flipping all the fans was a really good move. Dust is not a problem because I clean my room very often and the pc too. Thank you

Idle temps don't matter much. Look at load temps instead and use a synthetic load like OCCT for testing. 

If you're looking to lower noise and temps, an aftermarket cooler like the Freezer eSports One is a good option since the case doesn't have very good airflow. 

[07_Sev]

On 4/14/2020 at 12:00 AM, Dash Lambda said:

What? Define "viable."

Sorry for the confusion. With viable I meant that water cooling can only compete with air cooling from a peformance perspective when doing it custom. In this LTT video Linus shows that water coolers don't have any peformance or price advantage over the aircooler. He also mentioned that sex apeal and space compatibilety are also key conciderations but unless you're making a specialised build, it is just not worth it to pick an AIO watercooler. And it only makes sense to have a custom loop if you love tinkering and maintaining your loop, or if you're on the bleeding edge of peformance and you want to overclock.

[Dash Lambda]

2 hours ago, 07_Sev said:

Sorry for the confusion. By "viable" I meant that water cooling can only compete with air cooling from a performance perspective when doing it custom. In this LTT video Linus shows that water coolers don't have any performance or price advantage over the air cooler. He also mentioned that sex appeal and space compatibility are also key considerations, but unless you're making a specialized build, it is just not worth it to pick an AIO water cooler. And it only makes sense to have a custom loop if you love tinkering and maintaining your loop, or if you're on the bleeding edge of performance and you want to overclock.

That's a little misleading. It's not that AIOs can't match the performance of air coolers, it's that they're usually much more expensive for the same performance. On top of that, the performance floor for air coolers is way below that of AIOs; most AIOs will cool just fine, but air coolers range from super high performance to indistinguishable from no cooling at all.

 

I used to use air coolers, but then I switched to an AIO and have no intention of going back -I would happily pay quadruple the price of a comparable air cooler just so I don't have to deal with a giant tower. A friend of mine built a PC a couple years ago and chose an NH-D15, and despite its great cooling performance, he recently said he needs to get an AIO because the D15 is a pain in the ass.

 

Really, no form of cooler has an overall performance advantage over the other. Air cooling, AIOs, and custom loops can all have poor or amazing performance, the difference is cost, reliability, and ease of use.

[Dravinianv2]

On 4/13/2020 at 11:00 PM, Dash Lambda said:

What? Define "viable."

I think he is saying that an AIO is only as good as a decent air cooling Noctua type deal anyway.

 

So viably to get temps LOWER than that, you would likely need a custom loop.

 

At a guess, I am not a mind reader, but I took that to be the meaning.

 

Edit: next time finish the whole thread before replying....

[07_Sev]

On 4/21/2020 at 12:21 AM, Dravinianv2 said:

I think he is saying that an AIO is only as good as a decent air cooling Noctua type deal anyway.

 

So viably to get temps LOWER than that, you would likely need a custom loop.

This is exactly what I meant. From a peformance standpoint an AIO can't beat a good aircooler but custom loops certanly can.

 

On 4/20/2020 at 6:54 PM, Dash Lambda said:

I used to use air coolers, but then I switched to an AIO and have no intention of going back -I would happily pay quadruple the price of a comparable air cooler just so I don't have to deal with a giant tower. A friend of mine built a PC a couple years ago and chose an NH-D15, and despite its great cooling performance, he recently said he needs to get an AIO because the D15 is a pain in the ass.

You're just giving an astetic and conviniance argument here. And that's fine right. We don't pay extra to put LED's in our cases because it improves peformance. We just do it because it looks cool. It's true that a lot of people dislike big bulky aircoolers in their case. Personally I'm not one of the but that's just an oppinion. From a peformance / price standpoint however, AIO's make no sense, and they are quite a bit more expensive than good aircoolers. That is the main reason why I would reccomend a good aircooler instaid of an AIO. Paying extra to give your PC a good look is also fine. As is using a custom water loop on mid to low tier parts just because you want to tinker with it.

[Dash Lambda]

2 hours ago, 07_Sev said:

You're just giving an aesthetic and convenience argument here. And that's fine, right. We don't pay extra to put LED's in our cases because it improves performance. We just do it because it looks cool. It's true that a lot of people dislike big bulky air coolers in their case. Personally I'm not one of them but that's just an opinion. From a performance / price standpoint however, AIO's make no sense, and they are quite a bit more expensive than good air coolers. That is the main reason why I would recommend a good air cooler instead of an AIO. Paying extra to give your PC a good look is also fine. As is using a custom water loop on mid to low tier parts just because you want to tinker with it.

Actually, I did not intend aesthetics to be a part of that argument. It is purely a convenience argument. I do prefer the aesthetics of an AIO, and that is part of the reason I prefer them, but my point there was only that they are so much more convenient compared to air coolers that it justifies the price if you frequently open up your PC.

[Normand_Nadon]

If your case has good airflow, an air cooler will do just fine, even better than entry level AIO and it will last longer than your PC!

 

I bought an Hyper 212 Black edition lately to put on my old AMD CPU (a real toaster! 125W tdp for an 8 thread CPU!) and It keeps it at around 45*C under full load for more than an hour. It is also really silent. It is a little high though... You might want to ensure you have the clearance...

[deathfrankcore]

i bought the noctua NH-U12S (it arrived today)
EDIT:  Because i found it at 10€ discount and i got the deal (from 55 to 45€) the temps now are good and the pc is really silent (it doesn't even wooooosh) I think that in a near future i'll get a new Case because this one is bad (I had to buy a car back then but now I'm "rich" and i can afford a new case before the gpu).
While folding at high i've got temps around 75°C and while i was editing a video i've reached max 60°C which is good i think. 
Edit edit: i didn't bought the Arctic Freezer because it was not available because of the c virus (the extimated shipping was too late ~ 27 Apr but now it's available because amazon reopened all the shipping) 

Edit edit edit: it didn't open all the shipping but somehow it seems like it did