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[UPDATE - 220W CPUs? Get yo chiller] All Your + Are Belong To Us - Comet Lake S performance review leaks AND Power Consumption/Heat Output outted

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In Cinebench R15, the i7-10700 trailed the Ryzen 7 3700X in the multi-threaded test with a score of 1974, but matched it in the single-threaded test with 207. Unfortunately, the i5-10600K, i5-10500, and i5-10400 all trailed behind the Ryzen 5 3600X in both the single-threaded and multi-threaded tests.

In 3DMark Time Spy and Fire Strike, the i7-10700 managed to score marginal wins against the Ryzen 7 3700X. However, the i5 parts continued to disappoint, with significantly lower scores than the Ryzen 5 3600X. 

A Hong Kong-based outlet has acquired 10th gen Intel Comet Lake S parts, complete with fully functional boards, BIOS and microcodes. The i7 is just more of the same (basically a 9900K rebrand) while the real shitstorm are the lower end CPUs. The i5 appear to be standard 6/12 affairs with disappointing performance even compared to Zen 2, I can only imagine how much worse they'll get annihilated when Zen 3 comes in a few months.

 

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Unfortunately, because they require LGA 1200 sockets, you'll need to get a new motherboard as well before upgrading to Comet Lake S. 

As expected, LGA1200. I can already imagine Intel executives' mouths watering at the prospect of selling yet more chipsets.

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EDIT: Comet Lake-S PL2 and PL1 limits revealed. OUCH. That's just absurd.
 

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ecently, a Weibo post has surfaced showing the Core i9-10900F in action under an AIDA64 CPU stress test. The processor seems to have hit 4.6 GHz on all cores but operates at significantly high TDP. According to the HWiNFO64 data, the maximum PL1 of the Core i9-10900F was 170 W while the PL2 was 224 W. The PL1 limit is what Intel advertises as the TDP and is calculated at base clocks. For this processor to maintain a 4.6 GHz all-core boost, it would have to ramp up the TDP to 224 W. Contrast this with the 105 W TDP rating for the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X with 12 cores that hits a peak TDP of 146 W during an all-core boost up to 4.2 GHz. 

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THOUGHTS: Disappointing, very disappointing. I hoped at least some cache or clock improvements would push these CPUs further but, as it stands, they're no better than existing 9000 series models.
THOUGHTS 2: Power Overwhelming [Cheat Enabled}
Source 2:https://www.notebookcheck.net/Comet-Lake-S-may-require-hefty-CPU-coolers-Core-i9-10900F-shown-to-have-a-170-W-PL1-TDP-and-224-W-PL2-for-a-4-6-GHz-all-core-boost.460196.0.html

Source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Hong-Kong-outlet-leaks-Comet-Lake-S-performance-review-i7-10700-i5-10600K-i5-10500-and-i5-10400-go-up-against-AMD-Ryzen-3700X-3600X-and-Coffee-Lake.459680.0.html

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APRIL FOO–

 

Oh wait, this is serious.

Oh my...

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These pre release reviews are all over the map. Couple months ago I saw some preliminary figures that suggested a pretty significant performance increase, beating Ryzen in basically every benchmark. 

23 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

Unfortunately, the i5-10600K, i5-10500, and i5-10400 all trailed behind the Ryzen 5 3600X in both the single-threaded and multi-threaded tests.

This one really confused me. Intel currently has the lead in single threaded, as small as that lead is. How is a K SKU i5 gonna be trailing a Ryzen 5 in single threaded?

 

I think the "ES" factor has a lot to do with it, because these figures are a little too unexpected.

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Whenever I hear Intel, I think of a filthy, desperate business pulling sneaky ratty tactics and full of lies.

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22 minutes ago, Den-Fi said:

APRIL FOO–

 

Oh wait, this is serious.

Oh my...

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Just now, CTR640 said:

Whenever I hear Intel, I think of a filthy, desperate business pulling sneaky ratty tactics and full of lies.

Consumers are also the problem.

 

My coworkers 10 year old laptop has an i7 so "its the fastest processor out there".  I try to explain generations and its like they just don't want to hear it (consumers)

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I guess 10700 is an upgrade to 9700K... But that's about it. It's still poor performing and I'm certain it won't be stupid cheap since it's Intel and dumb ppl will pay extra just coz it's Intel, even though it's been terrible for like last 3 years...

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1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

Consumers are also the problem.

 

My coworkers 10 year old laptop has an i7 so "its the fastest processor out there".  I try to explain generations and its like they just don't want to hear it (consumers)

I know right. You mean they are stubborn or Intel fanboys?

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I know right. You mean they are stubborn or Intel fanboys?

I call it "Technologically Disinclined" - they just don't want to hear that the Laptop they shelled out thousands for 10 years ago is a potato by todays standards.  So I assume this consumerism applies to seeing the "newest i7" so it must be great!

 

Im over here like - my i5 3470 is barely beaten by an i5 6500 - folks please do your research lol

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

These pre release reviews are all over the map. Couple months ago I saw some preliminary figures that suggested a pretty significant performance increase, beating Ryzen in basically every benchmark. 

This one really confused me. Intel currently has the lead in single threaded, as small as that lead is. How is a K SKU i5 gonna be trailing a Ryzen 5 in single threaded?

 

I think the "ES" factor has a lot to do with it, because these figures are a little too unexpected.

Nope - Ryzen 3000 has about 15% higher IPC which Intel compensates for with clockspeed but not entirely. Even the 9900K is only 3-4% ahead in ST applications and that's because it can sustain 5.1GHz

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2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I call it "Technologically Disinclined" - they just don't want to hear that the Laptop they shelled out thousands for 10 years ago is a potato by todays standards.  So I assume this consumerism applies to seeing the "newest i7" so it must be great!

 

Im over here like - my i5 3470 is barely beaten by an i5 6500 - folks please do your research lol

 

 

Lol, if the "newest i7" must be great, then how would that translate to i9? Super UltraOmega Great? :P

That's why I don't like laptops anymore, they overheat to easily and too fast and useable only for max of 3 years before the laptop will shut down to prevent overheating. Not sure todays but not gonna fork out more than a grand on it.

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7 hours ago, 5x5 said:

Nope - Ryzen 3000 has about 15% higher IPC which Intel compensates for with clockspeed but not entirely. Even the 9900K is only 3-4% ahead in ST applications and that's because it can sustain 5.1GHz

In some instances, but the largest component to "IPC" is the first part, "instructions". Depending on what instruction set you are talking about can change the performance characteristics greatly. You also have to remember, in the case of Intel they have significant differences in architecture layout depending on the line (same with IBM and the Power arch and Z series).

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Who knew that Sandy Bridge would still be pretty good... 8 generations later

 

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So we have a leak of another series, slight improvement, only two benchmarks, no pricing and yet people are confident it's all lies dodgy business?  Last time I checked it wasn't compulsory to upgrade your CPU even iteration and most products these days only have a slight improvement over the predecessor.

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8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

So we have a leak of another series, slight improvement, only two benchmarks, no pricing and yet people are confident it's all lies dodgy business?  Last time I checked it wasn't compulsory to upgrade your CPU even iteration and most products these days only have a slight improvement over the predecessor.

the lie is needing a new chipset and socket. the old socket and higher end chipsets would have been fine but intel decided to change them.

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1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

the lie is needing a new chipset and socket. the old socket and higher end chipsets would have been fine but intel decided to change them.

We know nothing about it.  Call them liars when you have evidence they did it as an anti consumer move.

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1 minute ago, mr moose said:

We know nothing about it.  Call them liars when you have evidence they did it as an anti consumer move.

yes we do. it is still going to be a 14NM chip. maybe the top end will get a 10 core variant at some time over the 8 on coffee lake

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4 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

the lie is needing a new chipset and socket. the old socket and higher end chipsets would have been fine but intel decided to change them.

Maybe? Maybe not?

 

Seems like they added more cores and PCIE 4.0 support to this one, correct?

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Maybe? Maybe not?

 

Seems like they added more cores and PCIE 4.0 support to this one, correct?

more cores yes new PCIE nope.

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1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

yes we do. it is still going to be a 14NM chip. maybe the top end will get a 10 core variant at some time over the 8 on coffee lake

 

I'll wait until I see what actually hits the market and why before I pass comment.  Remember the last time this happened it had nothing to do with features or node size, is was purely because they didn't want people running a CPU that required the power deliver usually associated with a high end Z board running on a low end h series mobo then  having a PR nightmare as every social media and forum goes nuts with "INTEL SUCKS".

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I'll wait until I see what actually hits the market and why before I pass comment.  Remember the last time this happened it had nothing to do with features or node size, is was purely because they didn't want people running a CPU that required the power deliver usually associated with a high end Z board running on a low end h series mobo then  having a PR nightmare as every social media and forum goes nuts with "INTEL SUCKS".

they will already put an 8 core chip in a 50$ board the 10 core won't draw that much more.

AMD has AM4 but only B350 and a320 boards with good VRMs can run the 3000 set.

intel could have done the same thing.

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7 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

they will already put an 8 core chip in a 50$ board the 10 core won't draw that much more.

AMD has AM4 but only B350 and a320 boards with good VRMs can run the 3000 set.

intel could have done the same thing.

They could have, but as this test show, being able to run something and being able to benefit from it on a lower grade board are different:

 

https://www.techspot.com/review/1872-ryzen-9-on-older-motherboards/

 

 

I'm not saying this is a black and white issue with a hard line, in fact quite the opposite.  What I am saying is the cheaper you go with the motherboard the harder it will be to push the CPU (especially power hungry ones like Intel can be at boost).  The whole reason for buying a new CPU is to get better better performance not to be locked to the same performance because your board is a cheap one.

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16 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The whole reason for buying a new CPU is to get better better performance not to be locked to the same performance because your board is a cheap one.

it doesn't mean you'll get the same. you may gain more cores at a slightly lower and more efficient clock.

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1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

it doesn't mean you'll get the same. you may gain more cores at a slightly lower and more efficient clock.

It doesn't mean that absolutely, except there is evidence it can and does happen.   If we look at the last time a platform was supported for 6 years,  by the time you got to the end you could buy a new CPU only but it meant running with 6 year old features (3 year old features if the board supported DDR3 which came in half way through).   No point in buying a new CPU only to gimp it with shit VRM, lower rams speeds etc.

 

 

Let's be realistic though, how many people buy a new CPU and not a new Motherboard when they upgrade?  The reality is very, very, very few do it, so few it probably doesn't even show up in sales analysis.  

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