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HoganKevin8997

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Posted · Original PosterOP
5 minutes ago, Egad said:

You have some interesting claims, I'd love to clarify.  Also I feel kind of badm like I'm triggering some kind of compulsion loop here or something.

 

 

 

 

First you are claiming that a GT 1030 beats any Polaris 11 GPU arch?  So we take a computer, plug in a GT 1030, and runs some benchmarks, then remove the GT 1030, plug in the RX470, and run the benchmarks again.  You are stating that the GT 1030 benchmarks will exceed the RX470 benchmarks.

 

Because that's frankly total garbage.  The RX470 was typically recommend over the GTX 1050Ti given its performance edge.  The GTX 1050Ti and GT 1030 are both Pascal cards and the GTX 1050Ti was two increments ahead of the GT 1030 in nVidia's lineup, you're arguing the sky isn't blue at this point.

 

 

 

 

PS4 shipped with a HD7870 that had two units disabled due to power and cooling concerns.

PS4 Pro shipped with a downclocked RX 480, which is Polaris 11.  So when comparing GPU abilities, to call it comparable to the PS4 Pro, it needs to slide in between the RX470 and RX480, the two Polaris 11 cards.

 

Sure some other things were done to glue them onto the overall Neo and Livermore chips, but that's what the graphic components were.

 

There is a bunch of other stuff going on here.  At some level you seem to want to claim whatever lets you win the argument.  Like your comments about Microsoft Office to me all of a sudden and your comments about emulation to steelo.  First I'd point you back at the fact I agree that a Haswell + GT 1030 is better for CPU heavy tasks.  However people are responding to your claims the GT 1030 is superior graphically.  There is no situation when playing a 3D gaming title that the GT 1030 trumps any Polaris 11 part, be it the RX470, the RX480, or the Polaris 11 part in the Pro.

 

Second as for emulation, Pascal doesn't have a true hardware scheduler for async compute which hurts it with regard to running Vulkan and DX12 titles.  See for example Maxwell and Pascal cards poor showing in the recently Doom Eternal benchmarks.  At the end of the day when the PS4 emulator does mature, you're going to be trying to play PS4 games on something that lacks hardware level async (and 99.99% chance the emulator is going to be written to use Vulkan), has a GPU that only enjoys a slight edge over the PS4's cut down HD 7870 and is outclassed by the downclocked in the PS4 Pro, and won't be emulating anything.  Since the rule is you need to bring significantly more computing to the table than the console had so as to deal with the emulation overhead.  Even if all the instruction sets line up, you're still running the PlayStation OS on top of Windows or Linux to come degree.

 

If it's your hobby cool, all my builds are hobbiest and don't make perfect sense.  But misleading claims about the capabilities of a machine you've stated you want to try to sell others is not cool.

 

 

 

 

I will say again pair and pair and pair again.   That gpu is a stuck pair... Better or not and i still think it isn't because the jaguar is a combo chip... Its power is drawn from optimized software, not raw hardware capability or power... If i pair my gpu or an upgraded gpu with a better cpu... it will still win i computing ability and gaming anything that is made to run on a pc... as well as the ps4...  A game made to run on pc and ps4 will always run better on pc... The GT 1030 GDDR5 is better because it is a dedicated GPU that can be paired with any cpu of choice of any power of choice or affordability... For the consumer hardware past time gamer...

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9 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

There are not that many ps4 games to date that warrant buying a ps4... Few beloved titles will be worth buying a ps4 for...

The good news is in the future as hardware progresses, you should eventually once again be able to enjoy those titles. I could be wrong, but I don't believe there really is a good ps4 emulator out yet...if there is, current hardware would most likely really struggle with the emulation.

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Just now, HoganKevin8997 said:

I will say again pair and pair and pair again.   That gpu is a stuck pair... Better or not and i still think it isn't because the jaguar is a combo chip... Its power is drawn from optimized software, not raw hardware capability or power... If i pair my gpu or an upgraded gpu with a better cpu... it will still win in computing ability and gaming anything that is made to run on a pc... as well as the ps4...  A game made to run on pc and ps4 will always run better on pc... The GT 1030 GDDR5 is better because it is a dedicated GPU that can be paired with any cpu of choice of any power of choice or affordability... For the consumer hardware past time gamer...

 

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7 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

 

 

7 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

 

You're not understanding...even if it is more powerful, it will not have the overhead to EMULATE PS4 games. A raspberry pi 3 is relatively more powerful than a typical PC from, say the late 90's-early 2000's so it SHOULD run Windows 95 better than a PC from that era, right? Absolutely not - In fact it barely runs it at all, unless you don't mind waiting 30 seconds to open up notepad...

 

"A game made for PS4 will always run better on pc"

 

Where did you get that from?

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1 minute ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

 

 

1 minute ago, steelo said:

 

You're not understanding...even if it is more powerful, it will not have the overhead to EMULATE PS4 games.

 

"A game made for PS4 will always run better on pc"

 

Where did you get that from?

Well yeah but that's the survival of the console market... Get you hooked into a spear head or main title that only runs on your hardware and no one elses so if people really want to play that game they have to use your system even if it isn't as good. 

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Just now, HoganKevin8997 said:

 

Well yeah but that's the survival of the console market... Get you hooked into a spear head or main title that only runs on your hardware and no one elses so if people really want to play that game they have to use your system even if it isn't as good. 

 

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1 minute ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

 

Unfortunately, that's the name of the game...especially when they have PS exclusive titles...

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2 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

I meant to say a game made for both ps4 and pc will run better on better pc hardware. 

Of course, given it is a decent port...However, a game that can only be ran through emulation will require substantially more powerful pc hardware.

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Just now, steelo said:

Of course, but a game that can only be ran through emulation will require substantially more powerful pc hardware.

Not with an owned ps4 or if your friend owns a ps4 and you emulate there ps4 on your pc or pcps4 like mine

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I can only think of 1 game to play that ps4 has to offer and thats the god of war series, or shadow of colossus but other than that not so much. 

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5 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

I can only think of 1 game to play that ps4 has to offer and thats the god of war series, or shadow of colossus but other than that not so much. 

I like ps4 i have had a few of them and modded them and painted them but something always went wrong with them for me.  I always wanted more from them then they can offer without jailbreaking them so i decided whynot build a ps4 pc early instead while the hardware is still relevant because it has become irrelevant to me.

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10 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

Not with an owned ps4 or if your friend owns a ps4 and you emulate there ps4 on your pc or pcps4 like mine

Your pc will not be capable of emulating a ps4 title... Neither your CPU or GPU are powerful enough.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

I like ps4 i have had a few of them and modded them and painted them but something always went wrong with them for me.  I always wanted more from them then they can offer without jailbreaking them so i decided whynot build a ps4 pc early instead while the hardware is still relevant because it has become irrelevant to me.

Yeah me an sony have had a bad relationship over the years with me trying to modd and paint and resale there game consoles and save them but i enjoy it... its my hobby... When ps4 is no longer cared about i will take them and do my fish bowl modd dual fan ps4s

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2 minutes ago, steelo said:

Your pc will not be capable of emulating a ps4 title. Neither your CPU or GPU are powerful enough. Period.

What title would that be?

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1 minute ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

What title would that be?

There are not that many sony exclusives i would want to play anyway.

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4 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

What title would that be?

I believe Linus made a video a while back with a Ryzen 5 (2400g?) system that 'played' emulated ps3 titles, but not well...that APU is roughly comparable to your GPU/CPU. You're expecting similar hardware to emulate the next generation of playstation titles...

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3 minutes ago, steelo said:

I believe Linus made a video a while back with a Ryzen 5 (2400g?) system that 'played' emulated ps3 titles, but not well...that APU is roughly comparable to your GPU/CPU. You're expecting similar hardware to play the next generation of playstation titles...

The next gen no... just the ones now... I wanted someone else to build a ps4 pro case to beat a ps5 hardware wise... using consumer hardware... Mine beats the ps4 and ps4 pro because its a fully functional computer  

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Just now, HoganKevin8997 said:

The next gen no... just the ones now... I wanted someone else to build a ps4 pro case to beat a ps5 hardware wise... using consumer hardware... Mine beats the ps4 and ps4 pro because its a fully functional computer  

Wouldn't it be awesome to take the ps4 pro chassis or case and build a pc intel system in it to beat the new and up coming ps5

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Just now, HoganKevin8997 said:

Wouldn't it be awesome to take the ps4 pro chassis or case and build a pc intel system in it to beat the new and up coming ps5

I like putting intel systems in it because its like amd vs intel all over again...

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1 minute ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

Wouldn't it be awesome to take the ps4 pro chassis or case and build a pc intel system in it to beat the new and up coming ps5

Beat it how? You could put better hardware in there, I suppose. However, it still won't emulate nearly as well even with current generation hardware.

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1 minute ago, steelo said:

Beat it how? You could put better hardware in there, I suppose. However, it still won't emulate nearly as well even with current generation hardware.

Yeah but maybe Sony will have to answer for it... and adapt and live on you know plus it would just be fun to do you know... Destroy the console hardware spec and capability wise... Show everyone there not that good...

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2 minutes ago, HoganKevin8997 said:

Yeah but maybe Sony will have to answer for it... and adapt and live on you know plus it would just be fun to do you know... Destroy the console hardware spec and capability wise... Show everyone there not that good...

I grew up with ps1 and ps2 and those are my favorite game consoles... I just don't like the way sony has become... trying to make this super secret squirl hardware in the dark with outrageouse specs and capability that no bench test can compute for years to come to challenge there possible lie about there system capability

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Just now, HoganKevin8997 said:

I grew up with ps1 and ps2 and those are my favorite game consoles... I just don't like the way sony has become... trying to make this super secret squirl hardware in the dark with outrageouse specs and capability that not bench test can compute for years to come to challenge there possible lie about there system capability

Unfortunately, they all do that man...Microsoft is just as bad =(

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