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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello everyone!

I currently have a AMD R9 Fury X and it has been good to me for a long time, but as games get more intense and I am planning to buy a 1440p 144hz monitor, I wanted to ask what would be the best move for a new card, that will be the best at running low-mid (and rare,but some) high tier games at 130-150 fps avg for the present and into the future with also possible VR play soon. 

My budget is 500-750$ usd, and I was looking at various card from 2070s 2080 2080s and the Vega II.

The vega wouldn't be on there, BUT it is 550$ on amazon right now, which is a lot less than msrp.

Thank you all in advance for suggestions!

P.S. I have a i5-4690k with 16gb ddr3 :) 


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Vega II, as in Radeon VII?

 

what CPU will you upgrade to?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Vega II, as in Radeon VII?

 

what CPU will you upgrade to?

I am remaining with the same CPU, and yes the Radeon VII


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9 minutes ago, XCruzzerX89 said:

I am remaining with the same CPU, and yes the Radeon VII

I think it's time for an upgrade if you're gonna be playing VR.

 

The 4690k is going to bottleneck 2070 and 2080 by a mile.


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12 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Vega II, as in Radeon VII?

Well, that's the only Vega card that AMD considers Vega II, iirc.   At least it's the only one listed when I go to get my drivers.

 

Honestly, as a VII user I'd suggest going Nvidia for gaming and due to slight headache reasons that I could detail if you want.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, NZgamer said:

I think it's time for an upgrade if you're gonna be playing VR.

 

The 4690k is going to bottleneck 2070 and 2080 by a mile.

True, when I do VR I'll upgrade CPU, but for now just gaming 


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1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, that's the only Vega card that AMD considers Vega II, iirc.   At least it's the only one listed when I go to get my drivers.

 

Honestly, as a VII user I'd suggest going Nvidia for gaming and slight headache reasons that I could detail if you want.

Do tell. I am very much considering it if the price is $550


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11 minutes ago, XCruzzerX89 said:

I am remaining with the same CPU, and yes the Radeon VII

I would upgrade the CPU because you'll get stuttering performance without enough threads in intensive games. 2070 Super is a pretty safe bet, if you don't have the cash to spare 2070 is $380-ish and a great card at that price.

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Just now, TeeKayTK said:

I would upgrade the CPU because you'll get stuttering performance without enough threads in intensive games. 2070 Super is a pretty safe bet, if you don't have the cash to spare 2070 is $380-ish and a great card at that price.

Is the 2070 good for the forseeable future?


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Just now, XCruzzerX89 said:

Is the 2070 good for the forseeable future?

It'll last you several years, probably 3-4. Great performance.

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2 minutes ago, TeeKayTK said:

 

It'll last you several years, probably 3-4. Great performance.

Also, is it a VR card? because I want to do that in the future. And I also want to get 130-150 fps even in some intense games in 1440p for 2-3 years 


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Just now, XCruzzerX89 said:

Also, is it a VR card? because I want to do that in the future. And I also want to get 130-150 fps even in some intense games in 1440p for 2-3 years 

You're probably going to get 100 fps so at High in most games. Check performance numbers for games you primarily play to get a better idea since I don't have it memorized off the top of my head.

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1 minute ago, XCruzzerX89 said:

Do tell. I am very much considering it if the price is $550

If a loud cooler isn't your thing under load then the sweet sound of a 747 might be an insta turn off, depending on how long that VII has been sitting there you might be far more prone to black screens that is fixable with a bios update, stability and other things might require some tinkering like the infamous washer mod to undervolting, and fun fact the VII through drivers seems to really really hate flash based sites causing the driver to time out and crash your system.   The TDR registry value adjusment doesn't really fix the last one either.   Point is unless you really can deal with a potential project I'd avoid the card.   I mainly got one for blender usage, and the one I bought was by someone who already did the bios flash plus the washer mod.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

If a loud cooler isn't your thing under load then the sweet sound of a 747 might be an insta turn off, depending on how long that VII has been sitting there you might be far more prone to black screens that is fixable with a bios update, stability and other things might require some tinkering like the infamous washer mod to undervolting, and fun fact the VII through drivers seems to really really hate flash based sites causing the driver to time out and crash your system.   The TDR registry value adjusment doesn't really fix the last one either.   Point is unless you really can deal with a potential project I'd avoid the card.   I mainly got one for blender usage, and the one I bought was by someone who already did the bios flash plus the washer mod.

Noted. Thank you! Sorry for your problems thus far. So even for just regular gaming, not reccomended either huh, even at the lower price?


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2 minutes ago, XCruzzerX89 said:

Noted. Thank you! Sorry for your problems thus far. So even for just regular gaming, not reccomended either huh, even at the lower price?

I mean it's up to you, but like I'd look at used 1080 tis as well.   The 2080 was always a bit better in dx11 games and those optimized more towards Nvidia.   Not sure about the differences in VR, though.   But, the whole point of the VII is a compute/gaming hybrid card that's basically a gimped MI50 Instinct accelerator card put out due to Navi not being ready at the time, and it came with some problems.   Some fixed, others not.   The fixes aren't that difficult, but my point is that it might be a slight project card for you and the stock cooler sounds like a 747 underload.  XD


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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I mean it's up to you, but like I'd look at used 1080 tis as well.   The 2080 was always a bit better in dx11 games and those optimized more towards Nvidia.   Not sure about the differences in VR, though.   But, the whole point of the VII is a compute/gaming hybrid card that's basically a gimped MI50 Instinct accelerator card put out due to Navi not being ready at the time, and it came with some problems.   Some fixed, others not.   The fixes aren't that difficult, but my point is that it might be a slight project card for you and the stock cooler sounds like a 747 underload.  XD

word. Thank you for the info haha


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