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Help! I didn't update bios before I put in new CPU and old CPU doesn't work now.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I got a new Ryzen 5 3600x to replace my Ryzen 3. I am sleep deprived and did not update the bios before I uograded. Now the old CPU will not work. My motherboard is a tuf gaming b450m mini ATX. I am very upset. I don't know how to fix this. When I put the old CPU back in the motherboard has power but the GPU and CPU don't. When I took the old CPU out it was stuck to the cooler and I may have damaged it. It has all the pins but one tiny section is dark.


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

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Posted · Original PosterOP
10 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

reset CMOS and try again.

That didn't work.

12 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:

I got a new Ryzen 5 3600x to replace my Ryzen 3. I am sleep deprived and did not update the bios before I uograded. Now the old CPU will not work. My motherboard is a tuf gaming b450m mini ATX. I am very upset. I don't know how to fix this. When I put the old CPU back in the motherboard has power but the GPU and CPU don't. When I took the old CPU out it was stuck to the cooler and I may have damaged it. It has all the pins but one tiny section is dark.

 


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

Display(s): 1xMSI Optix MAG272CRX 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor 2xASUS VZ239H-W 23" Full HD 1080p IPS HDMI VGA Eye Care Monitor

Cooling: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM SE 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 SE Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition: 5G Optical Sensor 16,000 DPI

Sound: Corsair VOID RGB ELITE 7.1 Channel Headset Operating System: Linux, Windows 10 PCPartPicker URL: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZfhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZf

 

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Photos of the CPU and socket?


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Can we have some high res pics of the possible cpu damage and a shot of the cpu socket too? 

Interested to see the dark section.

 

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19 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:

When I took the old CPU out it was stuck to the cooler and I may have damaged it. It has all the pins but one tiny section is dark.

If you've actually damaged your old CPU then there isn't much you can do. The motherboard doesn't have BIOS flashback, so you'll have to either buy a new motherboard that comes third gen compatible out of the box, or get a used second gen CPU so you can update the BIOS on the motherboard you have. I also agree that pictures would help diagnose the situation, but if the CPU worked before and doesn't now, you may very well have broken it.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
7 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Can we have some high res pics of the possible cpu damage and a shot of the cpu socket too? 

Interested to see the dark section.

 

Ninja'ed

I don't have a good camera and my phone camera sucks. I can't believe I would do something so dumb.

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

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Cooling: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM SE 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 SE Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition: 5G Optical Sensor 16,000 DPI

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Not dumb. Been an issue with Amd since socket 754. You are not alone believe me. 

Generally no real damage occurs from pulling the cpu out.

 

Let us examine the pics. Im at work on my phone so ita hard to see even zoomed in. My 40" monitor will help me though. 

Lets see what these guys think.


 

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18 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:

I got a new Ryzen 5 3600x to replace my Ryzen 3. I am sleep deprived and did not update the bios before I uograded. Now the old CPU will not work.

 

19 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:

When I put the old CPU back in the motherboard has power but the GPU and CPU don't. When I took the old CPU out it was stuck to the cooler and I may have damaged it. It has all the pins but one tiny section is dark.

 

10 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:
16 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

reset CMOS and try again.

That didn't work.

In the case that you did not update your BIOS before installing a new processor which couldn't be detected by your  motherboard, you should be able to do what @5x5 has stated, reset the CMOS and update your BIOS using the old CPU. It is very easy to damage the CPU if you don't install it carefully on the motherboard. Try removing the CMOS battery and then booting with the old processor. If that does not work, then the old CPU is likely damaged and I would recommend getting the cheapest possible used processor that will work with this motherboard socket and updating the BIOS before swapping to the new processor.

 

 


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6 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:

I don't have a good camera and my phone camera sucks. I can't believe I would do something so dumb.

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Do a couple without the flash if you can in natural sun light. Theres a lot of glare. Take a shot from one side so we can look for slightly bent pins that may not make good contact in the socket.

Please and thanks.


 

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In case that you did end up damaging the old processor, try another AM4 CPU that you may have, or purchase one to use temporarily in order to get the BIOS updated before swapping out with your new processor. I would highly recommend watching an installation tutorial before starting to install another CPU of this socket type.

 

 

Link to a new AMD A6-8570E on eBay with the AM4 socket type:    https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-PRO-A6-8570E-AD857BAHM23AB-Socket-AM4-3-GHZ-DUAL-CORE-35W/283811775061?hash=item4214800255%3Ag%3AW7sAAOSwA6heaT1s&LH_BIN=1

 

 


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After research, it appears to be these pins image.png.1f70b35397f84ad8dbc675b6745b4b87.png
Two grounds, GPIO, and whatever P_GPP is (unsure), likely a grounding issue. Anybody know what that pin does? 
Chart used, Screenshot from 2020-02-06 17-45-04.png

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
14 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

In case that you did end up damaging the old processor, try another AM4 CPU that you may have, or purchase one to use temporarily in order to get the BIOS updated before swapping out with your new processor. I would highly recommend watching an installation tutorial before starting to install another CPU of this socket type.

 

 

Link to a new AMD A6-8570E on eBay with the AM4 socket type:    https://www.ebay.com/itm/AMD-PRO-A6-8570E-AD857BAHM23AB-Socket-AM4-3-GHZ-DUAL-CORE-35W/283811775061?hash=item4214800255%3Ag%3AW7sAAOSwA6heaT1s&LH_BIN=1

 

 

I've installed a few Ryzen CPUs before in new systems. It was the old CPU stuck to the heatsink, that damaged it. I did try a Ryzen 7 CPU of same gen, it didn't work.

 

I tried the old alcohol trick provided by Crossfire and now the heatsink and GPU have power but not booting.


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

Display(s): 1xMSI Optix MAG272CRX 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor 2xASUS VZ239H-W 23" Full HD 1080p IPS HDMI VGA Eye Care Monitor

Cooling: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM SE 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 SE Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition: 5G Optical Sensor 16,000 DPI

Sound: Corsair VOID RGB ELITE 7.1 Channel Headset Operating System: Linux, Windows 10 PCPartPicker URL: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZfhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZf

 

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14 minutes ago, Elektra57 said:

I've installed a few Ryzen CPUs before in new systems. It was the old CPU stuck to the heatsink, that damaged it. I did try a Ryzen 7 CPU of same gen, it didn't work.

 

I tried the old alcohol trick provided by Crossfire and now the heatsink and GPU have power but not booting.

 

37 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

Try removing the CMOS battery and then booting with the old processor.

Just to confirm, did you attempt to boot using the old CPU without the CMOS battery?

 

Also, when you say that the computer won't boot, it the issue that you are not getting a video signal or is there an error message present while trying to load into the OS/BIOS?

 

Helpful Guide to Removing CMOS Battery:    https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bph04375


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Posted · Original PosterOP
15 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

Just to confirm, did you attempt to boot using the old CPU without the CMOS battery?

 

Helpful Guide to Removing CMOS Battery:    https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bph04375

Yes. Computer has power. Heatsink has power. GPU has power but not booting.


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

Display(s): 1xMSI Optix MAG272CRX 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor 2xASUS VZ239H-W 23" Full HD 1080p IPS HDMI VGA Eye Care Monitor

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I installed an ssd. Samsung Evo plus m.2 nvme. That wouldn't keep it from booting would it?


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

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Posted · Original PosterOP
38 minutes ago, Boomwebsearch said:

 

Just to confirm, did you attempt to boot using the old CPU without the CMOS battery?

 

Also, when you say that the computer won't boot, it the issue that you are not getting a video signal or is there an error message present while trying to load into the OS/BIOS?

 

Helpful Guide to Removing CMOS Battery:    https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/bph04375

No video signal. 


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

Display(s): 1xMSI Optix MAG272CRX 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor 2xASUS VZ239H-W 23" Full HD 1080p IPS HDMI VGA Eye Care Monitor

Cooling: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM SE 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 SE Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition: 5G Optical Sensor 16,000 DPI

Sound: Corsair VOID RGB ELITE 7.1 Channel Headset Operating System: Linux, Windows 10 PCPartPicker URL: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZfhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZf

 

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1 hour ago, Elektra57 said:

Yes. Computer has power. Heatsink has power. GPU has power but not booting.

 

1 hour ago, Elektra57 said:

No video signal.

 

1 hour ago, Elektra57 said:

I installed an ssd. Samsung Evo plus m.2 nvme. That wouldn't keep it from booting would it?

Not likely that the SSD would cause any problems with the computer being able to load with a video signal, although to eliminate all possible points of trouble, try to use only the following components in attempting to boot (until the computer can startup with a video signal):

 

1. Power Supply

2. Motherboard (no CMOS battery)

3. Case

4. RAM 

5. Cooling devices/systems (fans, heatsinks, water pumps, water reservoirs, water loops, etc)

6. Processor (CPU)

 

* Connect directly to your motherboard's video output slot and avoid connecting through your GPU if possible.

 

After that is done, reseat your memory (Remove all RAM modules and reinstall), and ensure that all your computer's components are fitted with proper contact (especially your display cable). Use compressed air and/or an anti-static brush to get out the fine particles of dust attached to your computer's circuits.

 

Hopefully, this will get your computer to post again, good luck,

 

 

@Boomwebsearch


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Found the issue. ONE pin was bent. Straightened it and it fixed the issue. New issue is that when my computer boots it tries to boot from ssd and my hd isn't in the boot from list. Thank you all so much for your help! I love this community!


CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor Motherboard Asus Tuf B450 Gaming Motherboard RAM: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB Gaming OC 3X Video Card Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower White with Tempered glass

Storage: Samsung - 970 EVO 500 GB M.2 NVMe SSD PSU: Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply

Display(s): 1xMSI Optix MAG272CRX 27.0" 1920x1080 240 Hz Monitor 2xASUS VZ239H-W 23" Full HD 1080p IPS HDMI VGA Eye Care Monitor

Cooling: Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM SE 63 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler Keyboard: Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 SE Mouse: Razer Lancehead Tournament Edition: 5G Optical Sensor 16,000 DPI

Sound: Corsair VOID RGB ELITE 7.1 Channel Headset Operating System: Linux, Windows 10 PCPartPicker URL: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZfhttps://pcpartpicker.com/list/3bZNZf

 

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On 3/25/2020 at 7:56 PM, Elektra57 said:

New issue is that when my computer boots it tries to boot from ssd and my hd isn't in the boot from list.

Looking at the manual for your motherboard, it would appear that the M.2 connector shares bandwidth with and therefore disables SATA ports 5 and 6. Is it possible your HDD is connected to one of those ports?


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