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COVID-19 - READ THE RULES BEFORE REPLYING

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30 minutes ago, wkdpaul said:

Interestingly enough, there were warnings of this, an article from 2007 warns of SARS-CoV viruses in Southern China qualifying the situation as a time bomb ;

 

I've heard the same from difference sources; apparently, the recurrence of virus outbreaks within this family as mutations take place is more or less an established fact, rather than a surprise, for people in this field.

One example that comes to mind:

(I can't time-stamp as I don't remember where in the interview he said that, but it was rather early)

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3 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

I personally know all that, but don't have the time rn, and I'm on my phone. I was just trying to stir the discussion towards something helpful for people that might need alternatives in case of local unavailability, or exorbitant prices! ;)

CDC Respirator Trusted-Source Information - a FAQ

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/RespSource3healthcare.html#e

 

If you want to geek out on filtration...

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https://blogs.cdc.gov/niosh-science-blog/2009/10/14/n95/

 

This is perhaps the most misunderstood aspect of filter performance and bears repeating. Filters do NOT act as sieves.

 

Apart from those that need N95 protection, you can wear a mask to:

Stop you from touching your mouth or nose, hopefully reminding you to not touch your eyes. In short, don't touch your face!

Protect your mouth & nose if someone coughs or sneezes in your face.

 

I have a full-face 3M respirator with N95, N99 and N100 filters (both floppy and solid cartridge), for use in the desert when there's a nasty wind storm. I have the gas-mask compatible glasses that allow it to maintain a seal. The soil environment that gets airborne as dust is fine clay or other soil components (SiO2, Al2O3, quartz, micas, calcite, feldspar, vermiculite, illite, and kaolinite), aquatic micro-fauna eggs or dead body parts, bacteria & viruses normally present, including those deposited by migratory birds. Over 65% is sub 3 µm. Apart from heavy winds where my eyes needed full protection, I found wrap around sunglasses and a cotton bandana was very effective. This is not the thin cotton tourist bandana, but a fairly robust cotton weave. Square, fold it in half diagonally. It wraps over the nose, across the face and around to the back of the neck. It hands down over your face and mouth, and onto your chest, providing a contact seal. You can tuck it into your shirt if you wish. Do not stretch it tight. Let it have it's mass & volume to work. No perceived inhaling of the fine particles, even when used all day long. Even with a beard. No discoloration from the fine soil on the face side. After using this, I've not yet used the full-face respirator again in the desert, except for working in a fibreglass insulated attic. And I find it easier and more effective than the standard N95 mount&nose filter for wood-working or construction, but then I have a beard.

 

Here it is, tied at the back of the neck, pulled down, ready to pull up.

 

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I would not trust this for aerosols, but I would trust this for stopping anything I expel, and to protect me in the event that someone coughed or sneezed in my face. At that point it is infected, and needs to be removed and washed with soap. It's easy to put on, easy to carry spares each in their own plastic bag, and have a plastic bag to carry a soiled one home for washing.

 

There are a number of DIY face masks being posted online. Google for designs that match the materials you have. Consider reading the links above to get an idea of what materials may be best. Remember, you're not trying to match the NIOSH tested N95 - you won't. Read the link above to understand why not. But you can protect yourself from expelled droplets. And from forgetting and touching your mount & nose, and hopefully your eyes and face. You're not in a hospital setting, but...

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A study in a hospital setting back in the SARS days found that personnel wearing either a surgical mask or a respirator (it didn't matter which, each provided the same benefit), had an 85% reduced infection rate.

And whatever you do, don't go to a community centre or a friend's house to work together to DIY masks. Like a rubbing-elbows sitting at tables in crowed room news video I saw. That's way higher risk than not wearing a mask...

 

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48 minutes ago, SpaceGhostC2C said:

I've heard the same from difference sources; apparently, the recurrence of virus outbreaks within this family as mutations take place is more or less an established fact, rather than a surprise, for people in this field.

Given all the genome work done over the years, it's certainly no surprise to any of the researchers.

This image is very early, back in January.

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Various mutions of SARS-CoV-2 allow them to track origins and spread of various clusters. Like the family in Wuhan where five members across three generations caught it, but three different strains. Highly contagious. Here's tracing early U.S..

 

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1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

Interestingly enough, there were warnings of this, an article from 2007 warns of SARS-CoV viruses in Southern China qualifying the situation as a time bomb ;

 

 

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First SARS came out in 2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome


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1 hour ago, wkdpaul said:

Interestingly enough, there were warnings of this, an article from 2007 warns of SARS-CoV viruses in Southern China qualifying the situation as a time bomb ;

 

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One of my status updates has a link to a 5ish year old video of bill gates talking about how this was going to happen and how it could have been stopped.    


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Since I'm still earning money and since there's like never any chicken or meat on the shelves at the end of my shifts, going to get take-out way more than normal to help local family eateries. Hawaiian BBQ tonight. ^_^ My brother is going to pick it up for us since he hasn't moved his car in days.


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It's happening. My city is NOT playing around. 

 

 – According to the city of San Diego, gatherings of any size are prohibited at beaches and parks, and parking lots at all city-run beaches and parks are now closed. While beaches and parks in San Diego are to remain open, San Diego City officials warn that group recreation is not allowed. They warn of charging misdemeanors; $1000 fines.

 

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To give people a idea how social isolation is so important to our loved ones and others here are the numbers from a expert.

 

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Oh shit mang. America will become Italy soon. Doctors and nurses are running out of protective gears! How can America great healthcare system running out of mask and such. Capture.thumb.PNG.af9eb3cd1050a32de32b674aedbf3655.PNG

 

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5 hours ago, wkdpaul said:

Interestingly enough, there were warnings of this, an article from 2007 warns of SARS-CoV viruses in Southern China qualifying the situation as a time bomb ;

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I think China's government should put and end to farming and selling wildlife and improved sanitation of their wet markets. Wet markets are common all over the world but they don't sell live, wild animals stacked on top of each other.

 

Tbh, what terrifies me is when the current healthcare workers get sick themselves and the entire system got overwhelmed. It really saddens me when a doctor or nurse dies because of the virus. Right now, some doctors and medical staff tested positive to Covid-19, many of which are now dead. What makes me angry is when patients lie to their history of travel or contact with someone positive of the coronavirus. If you ask me, anyone lying about their history of travel or contact should be punished by big fines and a six months prison time especially in times of epidemics and pandemics.

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20 minutes ago, captain_to_fire said:

I think China's government should put and end to farming and selling wildlife and improved sanitation of their wet markets. Wet markets are common all over the world but they don't sell live, wild animals stacked on top of each other.

 

Tbh, what terrifies me is when the current healthcare workers get sick themselves and the entire system got overwhelmed. It really saddens me when a doctor or nurse dies because of the virus. Right now, some doctors and medical staff tested positive to Covid-19, many of which are now dead. What makes me angry is when patients lie to their history of travel or contact with someone positive of the coronavirus. If you ask me, anyone lying about their history of travel or contact should be punished by big fines and a six months prison time especially in times of epidemics and pandemics.

Wildlife trade has been banned for a few months already ever since the pandemic started, I'm more interested in how much will be lifted after this.


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23 hours ago, Helhound said:

but it can spread faster and mutate in an isolated environment. A good example would be to compare it to the evolutionary state of the Galapagos Islands or Madagascar. For example, Lemurs only live in Madagascar and no where else, at least naturally.

Remember that it already mutated 2 times in humans since the beginning... That's why I said some researchers think it will become endemic... 😒

 

19 hours ago, mr moose said:

One of my status updates has a link to a 5ish year old video of bill gates talking about how this was going to happen and how it could have been stopped. 

This one maybe?

 

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26 minutes ago, williamcll said:

Wildlife trade has been banned for a few months already ever since the pandemic started, I'm more interested in how much will be lifted after this.

It was banned back in 2003 over the SARS outbreak. A month after that was contained they reopened them.

 

So I wouldnt expect them to do the right thing and keep it banned for good.

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6 hours ago, Andreas Lilja said:

Yup...

And I literally just received the email from my college, at 10:22pm, to confirm they are closed until the first of may after Legault's announcement. 

This week they will be working on solutions to allow us to finish our semester... I hope they don't fuck it up.


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1 hour ago, Way2Broke said:

How can America great healthcare system running out of mask and such.

any people ask themselves the same question, including memb. of Congress an Senators...

Seems like a round of questionning is already getting ready to grill the Government's butts.

 

Can't seem to be able to find the link to the article. I'll update this comment if/when I find it.

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14 hours ago, Canoe said:

 

 

Missing from the above, is Airborne / Aerosol Transmission.

To date, for all the studies I've seen:

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Actually it is airborne.  

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/who-considers-airborne-precautions-for-medical-staff-after-study-shows-coronavirus-can-survive-in-air.html

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-lives-for-hours-in-air-particles-and-days-on-surfaces-new-us-study-shows.html

 

We have known this was a solid possibility for a week ... and it has been suspected for a month or two.

 

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-can-spread-as-an-aerosol.html

 

Dont panic though since it changes nothing really.  Since transmission by direct contact is FAR more likely and is thought to result in a more severe case.

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9 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

I think China's government should put and end to farming and selling wildlife and improved sanitation of their wet markets. Wet markets are common all over the world but they don't sell live, wild animals stacked on top of each other.

 

Tbh, what terrifies me is when the current healthcare workers get sick themselves and the entire system got overwhelmed. It really saddens me when a doctor or nurse dies because of the virus. Right now, some doctors and medical staff tested positive to Covid-19, many of which are now dead. What makes me angry is when patients lie to their history of travel or contact with someone positive of the coronavirus. If you ask me, anyone lying about their history of travel or contact should be punished by big fines and a six months prison time especially in times of epidemics and pandemics.

 

When their markets are properly regulated there isn't as much of a problem, it's the black markets and dark corners that actively avoid regulation that cause the problems.  

 

The other problem is not the government but the people,  china is pretty good at silencing and quashing certain speech and groups, so if they can't keep on top of some wet markets then it is a trade that no country would be able to get on top of.     Just to put this in perspective, 3000 Americans die every year from contaminated food despite the best efforts of regulation.  

 


QuicK and DirtY. Read the CoC it's like a guide on how not to be moron.  Also I don't have an issue with the VS series.

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12 hours ago, captain_to_fire said:

Tbh, what terrifies me is when the current healthcare workers get sick themselves and the entire system got overwhelmed. It really saddens me when a doctor or nurse dies because of the virus. Right now, some doctors and medical staff tested positive to Covid-19, many of which are now dead. What makes me angry is when patients lie to their history of travel or contact with someone positive of the coronavirus. 

That's a minor issue compared to what happens as contagion scales up: since yesterday, six hospitals in Madrid have requested that healthcare workers tested positive of covid-19 but without serious symptoms (yet) continue to work due to staff shortages. That's right: people known to be infected (and infectious) are asked to remain active in hsopitals amidst a constrained  supply of protective equipment...

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In Mulhouse (South of Alsace, France, on the Swiss-German-French border), the christian religious group who was the start of a new cluster a few weeks ago (and forbidden to regroup), did regroup again. Their pastor, who just got better (after being sick with Covid-19...) did mass for more than 20 people...

And at the same time he was saying "Be careful! This sickness is terrible! Terrible!!!"

http://www.lessentiel.lu/fr/corona/story/des-evangelistes-se-sont-encore-reunis-a-mulhouse-17698916

 

HOW!!!  HOW can someone be this stupid???? O_o

 

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8 minutes ago, Cora_Lie said:

[...] Their pastor, who just got better (after being sick with Covid-19...) did mass for more than 20 people...

And at the same time he was saying "Be careful! This sickness is terrible! Terrible!!!"

http://www.lessentiel.lu/fr/corona/story/des-evangelistes-se-sont-encore-reunis-a-mulhouse-17698916
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To quote from the article

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[...]les réunions dans les lieux de culte sont toujours autorisées, à condition qu’elles n’excèdent pas vingt personnes et que la porte du bâtiment reste ouverte.[...]

translation: Gathering at places of worship are still allowed, provided that there are not more than 20 people present and that the building's door remains open.

It surprises me that this exception to social distancing rules exists in France, I hope it does not contribute too much to the spread of Covid19.

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2 minutes ago, greenhorn said:

To quote from the article

translation: Gathering at places of worship are still allowed, provided that there are not more than 20 people present and that the building's door remains open.

It surprises me that this exception to social distancing rules exists in France, I hope it does not contribute too much to the spread of Covid19.

I know... But this cult was explicitly forbidden to reunite. That's not written in this article.

They contacted directly the "Prefect" and avoided the Mayor.

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