Trying to get the price on my first pc build down.

[Toplessgodzilla]

Hey guys. Im trying to get the price on the comp im building down. Im basically building the ryzen $900 pc build LTT did a short while ago. The problem is many of the parts have gone up in price. Im also using a ryzen 7 3700x instead of a ryzen 5.

 

Im struggling to find a cheaper ram than he used. the ram chips ltt used are now $80 (Team T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000)... anyone have a cheaper solution still with samsung b-die? I dont care about rgb.
 

Also what about a cheaper but still good SSD? The 1 tb intel nvme ssd is now 123.

 

EDIT: im going with a 5700 xt gpu. Anyone have an opinion on 

https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeon-rx-5700-xt-rx-5700-xt-challenger-d-8g-oc/p/N82E16814930020?item=N82E16814930020&source=googleshopping&nm_mc=knc-googleadwords-mobile&cm_mmc=knc-googleadwords-mobile-_-pla-_-video+cards+-+amd%2Fati-_-N82E16814930020&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI2_Paw8v95wIVRl8NCh0ZWgaoEAQYBCABEgJPB_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds 

Vs 

XFX RX 5700 Xt Thicc III Ultra 8GB Boost Up to 2025MHz GDDR6 3xDP HDMI Graphics Card (Rx-57XT8TBD8) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07ZP5QZX2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_M4ExEbS8Z473G

 

 

 

 

 

[GDRRiley]

you don't need b-die for 2nd or 3rd gen

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FNprxr/gskill-aegis-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f43000c16d16gisb

a little cheaper of an SSD

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HmmFf7/sabrent-rocket-q-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rktq-1tb

[Toplessgodzilla]

Just now, NZgamer said:

What country?

Murica’

[GamerBlake]

5 minutes ago, Toplessgodzilla said:

Hey guys. Im trying to get the price on the comp im building down. Im basically building the ryzen $900 pc build LTT did a short while ago. The problem is many of the parts have gone up in price. Im also using a ryzen 7 3700x instead of a ryzen 5.

 

Im struggling to find a cheaper ram than he used. the ram chips ltt used are now $80 (Team T-Force Delta RGB 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3000 (PC4 24000)... anyone have a cheaper solution still with samsung b-die? I dont care about rgb.
 

Also what about a cheaper but still good SSD? The 1 tb intel nvme ssd is now 123.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You could get a 1TB Samsung 860 QVO for $110 on Amazon. Or a 1TB Crucial BX500 for $100. All of them are still SSDs.

 

I have an 860 QVO 1 TB SSD myself and I like it a lot. I also have an 860 Evo and 970 Evo Plus m.2 NVMe ssd but if you’re on a tight budget I’d go with the QVO.

[Toplessgodzilla]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

you don't need b-die for 2nd or 3rd gen

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FNprxr/gskill-aegis-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f43000c16d16gisb

a little cheaper of an SSD

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HmmFf7/sabrent-rocket-q-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rktq-1tb

 I thought ryzen 3rd gen needs samsung die?

[GamerBlake]

1 minute ago, Toplessgodzilla said:

 I thought ryzen 3rd gen needs samsung die?

No. Ryzen likes high memory speed but it doesn’t require Samsung dies of any kind at all. Any RAM will work.

[Toplessgodzilla]

6 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

No. Ryzen likes high memory speed but it doesn’t require Samsung dies of any kind at all. Any RAM will work.

 So will i suffer any drawbacks? Or are they so minimal i wont notice?  Set up will be used for oculus rift And 1440p-4k gaming

[Toplessgodzilla]

7 minutes ago, NZgamer said:

No it doesn't. I'm running Hynix in my system because I'm cheap.

 Any noticeable drawbacks where vr/4k is concerned?

[GamerBlake]

17 minutes ago, Toplessgodzilla said:

 So will i suffer any drawbacks? Or are they so minimal i wont notice?  Set up will be used for oculus rift And 1440p-4k gaming

No there won’t be any drawbacks at all. The only difference is you might not be able to set the voltage as high when overclocking the RAM but that’s a tiny issue and only affects people who are into seriously squeezing every last bit of performance out of their components.

 

Not to mention they also pay more for premium RAM like the kind usually associate with b-die RAM.

 

If I were you I’d just find the fastest RAM with the tightest timings that fits your budget.

 

If I were you I’d get something at a higher clock speed like this. It’s faster than the b-die RAM and it’s cheaper too.

 

Also if you’re focused on 1440p-4K gaming and Oculus Rift your CPU and, more importantly, GPU are far more important than the RAM. This RAM below will keep up with everything in your system and be pretty speedy too. I have a B-die set of  $200 32GB Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 3200 MHz kit and it’s able to keep up with my i7-8700K and RTX 2080 Ti easily. I’ve never had my RAM slow me down, and my RAM is slower than the RAM below, so I don’t think it would cause you any performance issues either. I doubt you’d notice any real time difference in gaming or VR between this RAM and the fastest RAM out there. Only in synthetic benchmarks.

[GDRRiley]

12 minutes ago, Toplessgodzilla said:

 So will i suffer any drawbacks? Or are they so minimal i wont notice?  Set up will be used for oculus rift And 1440p-4k gaming

no.

 

22 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

You could get a 1TB Samsung 860 QVO for $110 on Amazon. Or a 1TB Crucial BX500 for $100. All of them are still SSDs.

I'd avoid the QVO, its god bad write speeds for large drives. get the rocket or barracuda 120

1 minute ago, GamerBlake said:

If I were you I’d get something at a higher clock speed like this. It’s faster than the b-die RAM and it’s cheaper too.

3600 on a 3700x doesn't make a ton of sense, hes trying to cut costs so any 3000-3200 will do fine.

[Toplessgodzilla]

Everyone thank you so much you are all being wayyyyy more helpful than you probably realize.  
 
does anyone have advice with the  xfx rx 5700 thicc iii vs the asrock rx 5700 xt (links in the post)?

[GamerBlake]

1 minute ago, GDRRiley said:

no.

 

I'd avoid the QVO, its god bad write speeds for large drives. get the rocket or barracuda 120

3600 on a 3700x doesn't make a ton of sense, hes trying to cut costs so any 3000-3200 will do fine.

I disagree. The QVO is amazing for gaming. It’s just not a workstation type drive that can do large file transfers fast. I’ve loaded games onto my QVO that were on my 970 Evo Plus and there was no performance difference in any of them whatsoever. I tried Resident Evil 2, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, Jedi Fallen Order, Dead by Daylight, and Devil May Cry 5 and there all played equally on my QVO compared to my 970 Evo Plus which is much faster. The load times were within a second of each other for everything.

 

Now, with that said, would I use a QVO to copy over my Steam Library or transfer 4K videos around? No of course not.

 

But he did say it’s for 1440-4K gaming & Oculus Rift, not working on large files or doing media creation.

 

Here are my drives: 970 Evo Plus NVMe, 860 Evo, and 860 QVO so I can say I’ve experienced what I say I have.

[GamerBlake]

6 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

no.

 

I'd avoid the QVO, its god bad write speeds for large drives. get the rocket or barracuda 120

3600 on a 3700x doesn't make a ton of sense, hes trying to cut costs so any 3000-3200 will do fine.

Also I only mentioned the 3600 RAM as an example of RAM better than the one he was asking about and at a cheaper price. Of course cheaper RAM with lower speeds will work fine but that’s one of the best RAM for $80.

[GDRRiley]

22 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

I disagree. The QVO is amazing for gaming. It’s just not a workstation type drive that can do large file transfers fast. I’ve loaded games onto my QVO that were on my 970 Evo Plus and there was no performance difference in any of them whatsoever. I tried Resident Evil 2, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, Jedi Fallen Order, Dead by Daylight, and Devil May Cry 5 and there all played equally on my QVO compared to my 970 Evo Plus which is much faster. The load times were within a second of each other for everything.

Here are my drives: 970 Evo Plus NVMe, 860 Evo, and 860 QVO so I can say I’ve experienced what I say I have.

given that games are now reaching 150GB+ assuming you got better than 75mbs down internet you can saturate a QVO drive with a game download. it can be slower than a HDD to write to. it has good good reads that isn't the issue.

I'm running a 850 evo, 850 pro, intel 730 and a adata sx6000 lite. (first half desktop 2nd half laptop.)

 

20 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

Also I only mentioned the 3600 RAM as an example of RAM better than the one he was asking about and at a cheaper price. Of course cheaper RAM with lower speeds will work fine but that’s one of the best RAM for $80.

hes trying to cut costs so why recommend ram at his same cost?

 

24 minutes ago, Toplessgodzilla said:

Everyone thank you so much you are all being wayyyyy more helpful than you probably realize.  
 
does anyone have advice with the  xfx rx 5700 thicc iii vs the asrock rx 5700 xt (links in the post)?

give me a min and I'll tell you which one

the pulse is a better card than both.

Edited March 3, 2020 by GDRRiley
added GPU

[JoostinOnline]

3 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

assuming you got better than 75/75 internet

That's quite an assumption, at least in the US.

[GDRRiley]

2 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

That's quite an assumption, at least in the US.

sorry it was technically 75 down. I've gotten in the habit of listing upload speeds cus I'm on fiber.

 

It is starting to improve, I've got options for 50/50, 100/100 or 1/1gib for fiber and fixed base wireless maxing out at around 300 or 400. I'm not in a big city but I am near some. Hell even god off Comcast usually has a 100 or 200 down plan

[Toplessgodzilla]

6 minutes ago, JoostinOnline said:

That's quite an assumption, at least in the US.

 Got that fios gigabit connection

[KaitouX]

47 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

You could get a 1TB Samsung 860 QVO for $110 on Amazon. Or a 1TB Crucial BX500 for $100. All of them are still SSDs.

 

I have an 860 QVO 1 TB SSD myself and I like it a lot. I also have an 860 Evo and 970 Evo Plus m.2 NVMe ssd but if you’re on a tight budget I’d go with the QVO.

He can get better SSDs for basically the same price, why would you recommend the QVO when options like the Crucial MX500 costs 5 dollars more? there are others that are cheaper and probably better than the QVO.

 

29 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

Spoiler

 

CL19 3600Mhz performs mostly worse with Ryzen than CL16 3200MHz while costing the same or more.

[GDRRiley]

Just now, Toplessgodzilla said:

 Got that fios gigabit connection

okay so grab the rocket drive I listed about. its about the same cost but much faster

[Toplessgodzilla]

15 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

given that games are now reaching 150GB+ assuming you got better than 75mbs down internet you can saturate a QVO drive with a game download. it can be slower than a HDD to write to. it has good good reads that isn't the issue.

I'm running a 850 evo, 850 pro, intel 730 and a adata sx6000 lite. (first half desktop 2nd half laptop.)

 

hes trying to cut costs so why recommend ram at his same cost?

 

give me a min and I'll tell you which one

the pulse is a better card than both.

 Looks like the vid was made before The thicc iii. But yeh i considered the pulse. Seems to be like $35 more

[JoostinOnline]

8 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

sorry it was technically 75 down. I've gotten in the habit of listing upload speeds cus I'm on fiber.

 

It is starting to improve, I've got options for 50/50, 100/100 or 1/1gib for fiber and fixed base wireless maxing out at around 300 or 400. I'm not in a big city but I am near some. Hell even god off Comcast usually has a 100 or 200 down plan

Having the option doesn't mean that's what the person has. I've got relatively fast Internet at 65mbps down speeds. Many of my neighbors still have 8mbps.

[GamerBlake]

19 minutes ago, GDRRiley said:

given that games are now reaching 150GB+ assuming you got better than 75mbs down internet you can saturate a QVO drive with a game download. it can be slower than a HDD to write to. it has good good reads that isn't the issue.

I'm running a 850 evo, 850 pro, intel 730 and a adata sx6000 lite. (first half desktop 2nd half laptop.)

 

hes trying to cut costs so why recommend ram at his same cost?

 

give me a min and I'll tell you which one

the pulse is a better card than both.

I wasn’t telling him to buy the $90 RAM it was just an example that applies regardless of how much is being spent. I didn’t want to tell him “this is what RAM you should get”, I would prefer he figured it out based on deciding on how much he wants to spend.

 

Also, yes downloading games takes longer on the QVO but that only needs to be done once or at least once in a while. Once the game is downloaded the performance is the same.

 

Beaides don’t most people download games when they sleep?

[KaitouX]

2 minutes ago, GamerBlake said:

Also, yes downloading games takes longer on the QVO but that only needs to be done once or at least once in a while. Once the game is downloaded the performance is the same.

 

Beaides don’t most people download games when they sleep?

Getting a product that is worse than other that costs the same doesn't make sense.

[GamerBlake]

1 minute ago, KaitouX said:

Getting a product that is worse than other that costs the same doesn't make sense.

I listed several options.

[Toplessgodzilla]

Build is currently looking like:

 

Fractal Design Focus G Petrol Blue ATX Mid Tower Computer Case instead of the corsair carbide spec 05

ryzen 7 3700x

 

xfx 5700 xt thic iii

 

Cooler Master MPY-7501-AFAAG-US MWE 750 Gold Full Modular, 80+ Gold Certified 750W Power Supply, 5 Year Warranty (Cheaper after shipping)

ssd - undecided

 

ram- undecided

 

MSI Performance Gaming AMD Ryzen 2ND and 3rd Gen AM4 M.2 USB 3 DDR4 DVI HDMI Crossfire ATX Motherboard (B450 Gaming Plus Max)

ARCTIC F12-120 mm Standard Low Noise Case Fan ( got cheaper since the video too).