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USB Bios Flashback without a cpu on the ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING Motherboard?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

In the process fo building my first gaming pc and i want to pair a ryzen 3700X with the Asus ROG STRIX B450-F Gaming Motherboard.

The only issue is on the ROG website it says that it is 3000 series ready however on MWave (i live in Aus) it says it is only 2000 series ready.

I knnow that Asus offer the USB bios flash feature without needing to install a CPU, does this board have that and if so will i need anything other than a USB?

I know that AMD can sometimes send you a second processor so that you can update the boards but i live in Australia and if i remember correctly i don't think they are doing this anymore. 

Hoping i could get some help.

 

 

Unrelated but ive attatched an image of what im planning to buy, if anyone notices any compatability issues that i haven't id appreciate that :D

 

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also side note, i might do some light overclocking -  is it worth it to spend that extra money on an aftermarket cooler instead of using AMD's stock cooler?

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1 hour ago, RyanDD said:

In the process fo building my first gaming pc and i want to pair a ryzen 3700X with the Asus ROG STRIX B450-F Gaming Motherboard.

The only issue is on the ROG website it says that it is 3000 series ready however on MWave (i live in Aus) it says it is only 2000 series ready.

I knnow that Asus offer the USB bios flash feature without needing to install a CPU, does this board have that and if so will i need anything other than a USB?

I know that AMD can sometimes send you a second processor so that you can update the boards but i live in Australia and if i remember correctly i don't think they are doing this anymore. 

Hoping i could get some help.

 

 

Unrelated but ive attatched an image of what im planning to buy, if anyone notices any compatability issues that i haven't id appreciate that :D

 

pc.PNG

If the board does support it then on the back I/O one of the USB ports will be red and there will be a Bios Flashback button next to the red port.


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I would think it would probably depend on how old the stock is from where you're purchasing it.  Most reliable manufacturers will eventually start shipping their hardware with the newer BIOS once they've confirmed it's stable.

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1 hour ago, RyanDD said:

does this board have that

Nope

 

1 hour ago, RyanDD said:

I know that AMD can sometimes send you a second processor so that you can update the boards but i live in Australia and if i remember correctly i don't think they are doing this anymore. 

They're still doing it, just dont know how long the shipping will take. there's a chance that it comes with BIOS updated for 3rd gen anyway, but no guarantees

 

1 hour ago, RyanDD said:

if anyone notices any compatability issues that i haven't id appreciate that :D

Not so much compatibility, but higher price than what you really need to pay (sometimes even inferior specs)

 

1 hour ago, RyanDD said:

also side note, i might do some light overclocking -  is it worth it to spend that extra money on an aftermarket cooler instead of using AMD's stock cooler?

The B450-F really needs the help of the stock cooler which is a downdraft in order to overclock the 3700X, at the same time the stock cooler doesnt fare well with an overclocked 3700x (heck even at stock it runs 80C+ and is somewhat audible), so if you want to run stock it's advised to get an aftermarket cooler when you can, and if you overclock (honestly not so much worth it as you'll get 100-200MHz extra at most) a better board is a must.

 

What I would do

Changed board for BIOS flashback

changed SSD because TLC doesnt slow down like hitting a wall during continuous writes, even if SATA is slower for bursts

Changed graphics card so RGB control is done with the same software (MSI one)

Changed case for airflow, sealed off fronts like the Matrexx 70 wont match mesh front

 

Monitor not listed because I dont know what you want to do with it. The AOC C32G1 is a 1080p monitor... For something this large, that's moreTV pixel density than it is monitor.

Keyboard not listed because I cant find it in PCPP.au with proper pricing.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
30 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Nope

 

They're still doing it, just dont know how long the shipping will take. there's a chance that it comes with BIOS updated for 3rd gen anyway, but no guarantees

 

Not so much compatibility, but higher price than what you really need to pay (sometimes even inferior specs)

 

The B450-F really needs the help of the stock cooler which is a downdraft in order to overclock the 3700X, at the same time the stock cooler doesnt fare well with an overclocked 3700x (heck even at stock it runs 80C+ and is somewhat audible), so if you want to run stock it's advised to get an aftermarket cooler when you can, and if you overclock (honestly not so much worth it as you'll get 100-200MHz extra at most) a better board is a must.

 

What I would do

Changed board for BIOS flashback

changed SSD because TLC doesnt slow down like hitting a wall during continuous writes, even if SATA is slower for bursts

Changed graphics card so RGB control is done with the same software (MSI one)

Changed case for airflow, sealed off fronts like the Matrexx 70 wont match mesh front

 

Monitor not listed because I dont know what you want to do with it. The AOC C32G1 is a 1080p monitor... For something this large, that's moreTV pixel density than it is monitor.

Keyboard not listed because I cant find it in PCPP.au with proper pricing.

Thanks so much for the help, this is actually really great for me because its my first build.

is the motherboard u have proposed out of the box ready for ryzen 3000 series?

and the monitor was a mistake i would be buying the 1440p version it just isn't in stock at the moment so i added that one to the cart aws a price reference for myself.

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2 hours ago, RyanDD said:

is the motherboard u have proposed out of the box ready for ryzen 3000 series?

Yes, also BIOS flashback just in case


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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