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TN 120Hz panel 100% sRGB vs IPS 120Hz 61% sRGB

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Apparently, the new MSI GL65 laptop series ships with an IPS 120Hz panel, but apparently, the panel they ship has an IPS panel (B156HAN13.0) with only 61% sRGB coverage. This is a MASSIVE downgrade from the top quality 120Hz TN panel (N156HHE-GA1 or similar) shipped with some GL63 laptops (such as one reviewed by Bob here) that can cover 100% sRGB and 89% of aRGB. Being a user who came from an alright 90-100% sRGB TN monitor to a subpar 66% sRGB IPS panel, I think that a 120Hz IPS panel that doesn't even cover 90% of the sRGB colour gamut cannot even compete with a 60hz TN panel with 100% sRGB coverage. 

 

Do you think that the increased colour gamut and accuracy is enough to justify the limited viewing angles? Or is IPS a must, even if it means sacrificing colour gamut?

 

Oh, BTW, Asus is equally guilty of this as well with their own 120Hz panel in the ROG strix range.

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Honestly it probably won't matter and if you care that much you can always calibrate your display if you think it's not accurate enough. sRGB kinda looks like crap anyways imo.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Quoting from NotebookCheck:

 

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colors are still inaccurate at higher saturation levels due to the narrow gamut of the panel

 

With a 61% sRGB coverage, colours will remain atrocious no matter what calibration is used, whereas with at least 90% sRGB coverage, colours can be calibrated to an acceptable or great degree in everyday use and newbie photo editing. Colours on the 66% sRGB LP156WFC-SPP1 panel are horrendously inaccurate, washed out and dull (I will replace it later with the 120Hz panel in the future as my laptop has thick bezels; thin bezel laptops do not have this luxury) compared to 100% sRGB TN panels.

 

So sRGB coverage does matter...

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Depends on what you value, TN screens will still have poor viewing angles no matter the sRGB coverage.

8 minutes ago, 70UNIKITTY said:

but apparently, the panel they ship has an IPS panel (B156HAN13.0) with only 61% sRGB coverage.

The panel you linked doesn't say IPS anywhere, are you sure it's not a TN or VA panel? Also the top brightness is pretty low.


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Posted · Original PosterOP

I'm aware that TN screens have poor viewing angles, but if you cannot even have accurate colors in the first place, then what's the point of viewing angles? Also I'm pretty sure that what NotebookCheck stated about that laptop panel was IPS, because of the viewing angles.

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27 minutes ago, 70UNIKITTY said:

Apparently, the new MSI GL65 laptop series ships with an IPS 120Hz panel, but apparently, the panel they ship has an IPS panel (B156HAN13.0) with only 61% sRGB coverage. This is a MASSIVE downgrade from the top quality 120Hz TN panel (N156HHE-GA1 or similar) shipped with some GL63 laptops (such as one reviewed by Bob here) that can cover 100% sRGB and 89% of aRGB. Being a user who came from an alright 90-100% sRGB TN monitor to a subpar 66% sRGB IPS panel, I think that a 120Hz IPS panel that doesn't even cover 90% of the sRGB colour gamut cannot even compete with a 60hz TN panel with 100% sRGB coverage. 

 

Do you think that the increased colour gamut and accuracy is enough to justify the limited viewing angles? Or is IPS a must, even if it means sacrificing colour gamut?

 

Oh, BTW, Asus is equally guilty of this as well with their own 120Hz panel in the ROG strix range.

The older tn panels msi used are very very good for some reason way better then even the better ips panels in gaming notebooks sure they dont have the best viewing angles but in terms of colors etc they look amazing saw a few of them in a local store especially red looks alot more vibrant then to the ips models next to it ( asus strix 2 laptop was next to it ) 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
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The older tn panels msi used are very very good for some reason way better then even the better ips panels in gaming notebooks sure they dont have the best viewing angles but in terms of colors etc they look amazing saw a few of them in a local store especially red looks alot more vibrant then to the ips models next to it ( asus strix 2 laptop was next to it ) 

Yes, the colour coverage rivals some of the higher end screens of today's laptop screens and the 89% aRGB is very high for a 120hz TN panel, let alone 144hz IPS (they are normally 65% aRGB and 92% sRGB). The only reason why MSI chose the horrendous IPS panel is because of pointless thin bezels and the bulls**t necessity to have IPS all the time, at all cost. That ChiMei 60hz TN panel that I've listed before has similar colour coverage to the 120Hz TN panel made by the same company.

 

In the GL63/73 laptops, the panels will be poorly calibrated out of the box (as stated by Bob as well), but with the right ICC profiles, the colours will be excellent.

 

If only a thin bezel version of the same panel was being produced today...

 

And the argument that an IPS panel produces better colours only is valid if you compare an IPS and a TN panel with around the same colour gamut. An IPS panel with only 61% sRGB coverage has this argument fall flat, if compared to a 100% sRGB TN panel.

 

So it's never simple as "IPS good, TN bad".

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