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Asus ROG Maximums XI Formula

James N.
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10 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Since when was 80c an issue for VRMs? 

 

Been removing heat sinks off of memory modules for many years for the exact same reason. ;)

80C is not a problem (apart from being worse than other brand's equally priced options), but being worse than 80C by unknown amounts is. Note the Hero at least has some effort to do air cooling, Formula doesnt

https://proclockers.com/reviews/motherboards/asus-rog-maximus-xi-formula-z390-motherboard-review/page/0/4

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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6 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

80C is not a problem (apart from being worse than other brand's equally priced options), but being worse than 80C by unknown amounts is. Note the Hero at least has some effort to do air cooling, Formula doesnt

https://proclockers.com/reviews/motherboards/asus-rog-maximus-xi-formula-z390-motherboard-review/page/0/4

Indeed. 

Somewhat ok information if 80c VRM was an issue while the board is equipped with a water block....

I had suggested the Apex first and the the Hero.

But whom am I to argue when I only have the Maximus X hero and not the XI. 

Thanks for the link dude.

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4 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I had suggested the Apex first and the the Hero.

Maybe he doesnt want the Apex since it only has 2 DIMM slots? 4 LED sticks is better than 2 if the sample picture tells anything. I think Maximus X and XI boards are complete ripoffs (compared to what they did for Crosshair, Zenith and Rampage at the same period), but I only recommend Apex, Extreme and Gene out of all of them.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

Maybe he doesnt want the Apex since it only has 2 DIMM slots? 4 LED sticks is better than 2 if the sample picture tells anything. I think Maximus X and XI boards are complete ripoffs (compared to what they did for Crosshair, Zenith and Rampage at the same period), but I only recommend Apex, Extreme and Gene out of all of them.

I gather information on a basis from an outlook of overclocking more so than a daily use. I often forget that part, we are in some average to below average user forum where there's a lot of suggestion made based off u toob videos rather than any first hand experience.

 

Also, sometimes when experienced gives advise to unexperienced, they build in a completely different fashion, sometimes budgets change or life event.

 

A perfect example is found here.

https://warp9-systems.proboards.com/thread/1200/starting-research-build-8086k-project?page=1#post-36550

 

I trust the guys at warp9-systems while the fellas have experienced these setups and are well rounded overclockers. Id take their word on a good board any day.

 

 

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Do take the time and read the entire thread too. I know it may take a few minutes....  But you might learn something if open minded....

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26 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Do take the time and read the entire thread too. I know it may take a few minutes....  But you might learn something if open minded....

5GHz CL14 is impressive, that's it. 

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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48 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

5GHz CL14 is impressive, that's it. 

If you actually had read it......

 

That 4ghz memory at cas12-12-12 and closer to 7ghz cpu frequency.

 

And thats that.

 

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44 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

If you actually had read it......

 

That 4ghz memory at cas12-12-12 and closer to 7ghz cpu frequency.

 

And thats that.

 

We arent talking about subambient overclocking here so I dont see the point of mentioning it here. Btw 5GHz CL14 result I assume is on subambient cooling as well?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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7 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

We arent talking about subambient overclocking here so I dont see the point of mentioning it here. Btw 5GHz CL14 result I assume is on subambient cooling as well?

Well its not my overclock. Why dont you ask the man himself, although not being impressive by you personally, I expect no such thing to happen. 

 

Hey why did you delete your account at HWBot? Its hard to discover your actual hardware uae and overclocks aside the 2600 in your sig here....

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33 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Well its not my overclock. Why dont you ask the man himself, although not being impressive by you personally, I expect no such thing to happen. 

I already know it's unsafe voltage for ambient cooling so that's enough

 

33 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Hey why did you delete your account at HWBot? Its hard to discover your actual hardware uae and overclocks aside the 2600 in your sig here....

I only used HWbot to follow the top results, not for posting mine. Not like it's worth bragging about there either

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Hey guys, I'm not planning on doing any overclocking on my own. I wouldn't have any idea where to even start on that. Like I said before, I'm currently using a 12 year old computer. To me this new computer is going to be fast as hell on it's own. I may have grandiose ideas... Chances are it will just be air cooled. I would like to have the option to do more with what I have in the future though. Right now just a solid system to start with is my goal.

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1 hour ago, James N. said:

Hey guys, I'm not planning on doing any overclocking on my own. I wouldn't have any idea where to even start on that. Like I said before, I'm currently using a 12 year old computer. To me this new computer is going to be fast as hell on it's own. I may have grandiose ideas... Chances are it will just be air cooled. I would like to have the option to do more with what I have in the future though. Right now just a solid system to start with is my goal.

All good. We debate best boards. Which we actually pretty much agree on.... 

 

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I already know it's unsafe voltage for ambient cooling so that's enough

Probably for that particular overclock yes.

I bet most people believe 1.4 to 1.5v is "safe" for ambient cooling..... (for daily use, ya sure why not)

well it's really more like you're safe up to about 1.8-1.90v (for overclocking and benching purposes, not daily)

have had mine only to 1.9v as warned by my team mates not to use 2.0v+ on ambient. 

 

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10 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Probably for that particular overclock yes.

I bet most people believe 1.4 to 1.5v is "safe" for ambient cooling..... (for daily use, ya sure why not)

well it's really more like you're safe up to about 1.8-1.90v (for overclocking and benching purposes, not daily)

have had mine only to 1.9v as warned by my team mates not to use 2.0v+ on ambient. 

By too high I'm actually talking about VCCIO and VCCSA

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

By too high I'm actually talking about VCCIO and VCCSA

Oh I think the usual settings he (we) use are generally no higher or need to be higher than 1.2250v for each. I run usually only 1.20v which is fine.

 

However, we did take notice the boards (range of Maximus) will post the Vccio to 1.40+ volts while set to auto. 

 

Question:

If the bios on auto pushes 1.40v... is it really too much?, or perhaps the reading is false (doubtful false reading)?

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6 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Oh I think the usual settings he (we) use are generally no higher or need to be higher than 1.2250v for each. I run usually only 1.20v which is fine.

 

However, we did take notice the boards (range of Maximus) will post the Vccio to 1.40+ volts while set to auto. 

 

Question:

If the bios on auto pushes 1.40v... is it really too much?, or perhaps the reading is false (doubtful false reading)?

I dont know how the memory controller scales with subambient cooling and voltage response, but 1.4V is high enough to degrade the memory controller in ambient cooling so it's definitely too high for the board to use.

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Just now, Jurrunio said:

I dont know how the memory controller scales with subambient cooling and voltage response, but 1.4V is high enough to degrade the memory controller in ambient cooling so it's definitely too high for the board to use.

Yea very strange. The board seems to do this mostly when overclocking memory at high frequency, of course prefer manually setup.

 

Mine was/is running on geothermal water cooling with an 8c water delta, the rest ambient actively cooled. Do 4300mhz CL16-16-16 benching 19s stable, 4000mhz CL-14-14-14 benching 16's stable And I don't typically run and tweak on anything in between. 5.4ghz Benching stable, 5.3ghz daily stable. Vccio/sa no more than 1.20v as mentioned. 

The Cpu V-core scaling is horrible past 5.3ghz requires 1.5v and more for faster. Even with such low temps under 80c. And not a big gain on most ambient water loops either. 

Crazy 5.0ghz NP at 1.3600v. (8700K) I have a lot of fun with this rig. Unlike AMD it actually overclocks. 

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3 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I only used HWbot to follow the top results, not for posting mine. Not like it's worth bragging about there either

Forgotten to reply to this:

 

It's a hardware data base. (with a scoring system....) but never the less, it's about learning and having fun..... and some bragging in forums too. ;) Always worth it.

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