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Nissan Switch: cars as a service might already be happening

Isn't there some rental service in USA named Toro I think where you can rent sports and exotic cars? I know Doug DeMuro mentions it in his videos.

 

I think this is more useful for people who live in a city and don't even own a car, but they need one for a holiday or a long distance trip. In that case, $699 is a relatively small expense compared to owning a car that just sits somewhere most of the time. I don't think it's practical for people who use it every day though.

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7 hours ago, That Franc said:

Will you keep your car, or will you accept the increase in convenience while surrendering ownership of yet another thing like many of you did with music, movies, software, and games?

I haven't surrendered my movies, music or anything else really... I certainly won't be doing the same with anything else I 'OWN'... I buy things I want... I refuse to cave in to this ridiculous notion that you can no longer own anything.

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I can see it clearer in this method than what Linus and Luke were discussing, but I still don't like it one bit.

I'm gonna carry on owning my cars, no chance I'm renting something that someone else may have used without it being properly valeted before it gets back to me, and even then I wouldn't feel comfortable. I know what some of my co-workers and friends vehicles are like and I would shudder at the thought of having to borrow their cars now, let alone if I was paying for the privilege.

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1 hour ago, RejZoR said:

Isn't there some rental service in USA named Toro I think where you can rent sports and exotic cars? I know Doug DeMuro mentions it in his videos.

 

I think this is more useful for people who live in a city and don't even own a car, but they need one for a holiday or a long distance trip. In that case, $699 is a relatively small expense compared to owning a car that just sits somewhere most of the time. I don't think it's practical for people who use it every day though.

But even then you can already rent a car for cheaper elsewhere.

 

So not really sure how this is newsworthy as basically everything its doing has been done for years now.

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3 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

 

nope you missed that to get the GTR you need the premium 899 dollar subscription and its 100 dollars per day extra for the GTR and you can only drive it for 7 days at a time.

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Wow the Maxima, Murano, Titan, and even the city tooter Leaf falls under the $899 Premium package?!

WTF I can get a 2017/2018 Leaf for under $20K...and this is Canadian Pesos we are talking about.

2016/2015 is like $13K.

 

Armada, 370Z, and GT-R sure, but not those other ones.

 

EDIT:

370Z hasn't been updated since it launched like 10+ years ago.

Still has a 7-segment calculator display...and useless gauges -- battery voltage?

Like F#%K that..

 

$45K ~ $47K USD for a 2020 Nismo...with all this junkus??

No thanks...

 

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Isn't this just hiring under a different name?  I am sure Australia isn't the only country that's had that for decades.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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5 hours ago, -rascal- said:

370Z hasn't been updated since it launched like 10+ years ago.

Still has a 7-segment calculator display...and useless gauges -- battery voltage?

Which is weird since the 370GT/Infiniti's have updated interior and dashes.

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There seems to be a gigantic attempt to reframe the concept here, and I can’t shake the idea that it’s an artificial distinction.  This kind of service Nissan has was available as early as the 1980’s iirc. Before probably.  Car companies liked to have drivers try out a lot of their vehicles because it increased the chance they would buy one.  Whenever a person went in for dealer service this was generally done.  The whole “cars as a service” thing has been around before there were cars.  The term “cab” predates automobiles.  Human driver, yes, but the concept didn’t fundamentally change. The idea has always been around, and it’s always been a “not quite” thing for most people in most places, except in areas where public transportation is really good and the advantages offered by a private car are only occasionally great enough to make them worth using.  What seems to be making the whole “cars as a service” concept a subject again is driverless vehicles, and whether this is enough to be a tipping point or not.  It might be.  We’ll have to see.

 

Cars as a service is really just a wrinkle on the concept of public  Taxis. What autonomous driving really does change is chauffeuring.  Makes it cheaper.  Companies like Uber started out as car sharers but wound up as taxi services. Perhaps the chauffeur thing is enough.

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To me i see the whole "Car as a service" will probably only be a niche thing or situational. Self Driving car will happen but driver-less faces problems the law being one of them (Not saying it wont happen but will take very long for it to happen). Trains are far more easier to make completely driver-less and only quite recently becoming driver-less, i think majority still aren't driver-less. Planes can takeoff, fly and land themselves but still have a full team of pilots, even during autopilot one pilot must be at the controls. For cars i see the law stating a driver must be at the wheel all times even when self driving and probably will take some time to get to the point were the law changes they probably first need to prove them self.

 

Also the number of cars wont change and traffic wont go away even with self driving cars because lots of people need to be at work at the same time.

As for buying habits, people don't just buy the most convenient car that get you from A to B. Buying a car is extremely personal, people buy SUVs, 4x4, big luxury cars, supercars because they can not because the need them. You need many things for cars as a service to happen, drive-less cars and mass adoption, peoples buying habits to change, and people to get use to the idea of less convenience and having less mobile freedom.

 

If self driving cars become mandatory, which will only happen once mass adoption has taken place (My guest probably 30 years or more for this to happen). Biggest out cry will probably motorbikes as they will probably be banned.

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19 hours ago, spartaman64 said:

 

nope you missed that to get the GTR you need the premium 899 dollar subscription and its 100 dollars per day extra for the GTR and you can only drive it for 7 days at a time.

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I was also wondering if it applied to the non GTR models, but have not checked the prices on those. ;)

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23 hours ago, Blademaster91 said:

Renting the car for a month might be worth it to see if you're satisfied with it, but wow that's insane you could buy the car and maintain it for less.

To be fair with a subscription service the GTR will not be 10 years old in 10 years. Actually now that I think about it did they say anything about them always keep the latest years models available?

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30 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

To be fair with a subscription service the GTR will not be 10 years old in 10 years. Actually now that I think about it did they say anything about them always keep the latest years models available?

The article says you could switch to another car as much as you want, so I guess you could always have the latest model. Not sure how expensive it would be compared to a luxury car renting service or leasing a GTR.

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14 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

The article says you could switch to another car as much as you want, so I guess you could always have the latest model. Not sure how expensive it would be compared to a luxury car renting service or leasing a GTR.

Never quite got the GTR as a concept myself.  There’s very few places on earth you can actually DO 145mph.  There is the acceleration advantage, but it gets beat in that by mid range electrics.  
 

I get that there are people that like such things though.   I don’t really understand RGB either but that doesn’t make it not popular.

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11 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Never quite got the GTR as a concept myself.  There’s very few places on earth you can actually DO 145mph.  There is the acceleration advantage, but it gets beat in that by mid range electrics.  
 

I get that there are people that like such things though.   I don’t really understand RGB either but that doesn’t make it not popular.

Race tracks exist and are more common than you think. Also if you live in Germany you have places that can make use of that speed. Also some just want the looks and acceleration. The market honestly doesn't have to be massive for luxury cars as they are quite expensive. 

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On 2/20/2020 at 3:55 AM, That Franc said:

to deliver you a car that you can drive but don't have to own - starting from $699 a month

Time share vehicle ownership

....great

 

Fractional ownership of a vehicle. I wonder if it will go by time of day, or days of the week.

Interesting.

 

Where would they park it.

Owners would have to be living near by.

 

Insurance would be interesting.

 

$700/m or buy a $3000 VW diesel, say a 2003 with the ALH engine and get 40-50mpg.

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45 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

Never quite got the GTR as a concept myself.  There’s very few places on earth you can actually DO 145mph.  There is the acceleration advantage, but it gets beat in that by mid range electrics.  

Theres few places you can do it legally....but theres plenty of places you can do it illegally lol.

 

Edit: i should clarify though i do agree with you though. I cant count how many times ive seen people talk about top speed when in reality its rare for them to even reach 80mph on their commutes 

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54 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

Theres few places you can do it legally....but theres plenty of places you can do it illegally lol.

 

And in almost every one of them there’s a resident who’s going to be really really pissed off about it

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6 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

And in almost every one of them there’s a resident who’s going to be really really pissed off about it

Oh yeah. People will be pissed.

 

But im not going to lie its fun as hell. Ive never gotten above 120ish driving but ive been in the passenger seat doing almost 160. 

 

Driver literally didnt even care when he passed a car because there was no way they could catch him. Hed get a few miles ahead of them and just take an exit and be done with it.

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4 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

ive been in the passenger seat doing almost 160. 

I did way more then that in a train and a aeroplane.

That counts!

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5 minutes ago, RonnieOP said:

Driver literally didnt even care

Sounds like a mature person.

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4 hours ago, Bombastinator said:

There is the acceleration advantage, but it gets beat in that by mid range electrics.  

Um what? No they don't. GTR is 0-60 in 2.9, the upgraded performance option Tesla Model 3 does 3.5. You need to start jumping in to Model S's with Dual motors and hit the ludicrous button to actually beat a GTR in acceleration and that only lasts for so long before gearing limits the EVs.

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On 2/20/2020 at 8:46 PM, mr moose said:

Isn't this just hiring under a different name?  I am sure Australia isn't the only country that's had that for decades.

Last time I was in Adelaide I used a company called rent-a-bomb. I had a Mitsubishi wagon of some sort. It had 400k on the clock and the steering you could move about a quarter of a turn before it did anything. The company offered rental including fuel and insurance for as long or as short as you wanted, but when you were not renting you had to pay a small fee as it cut their insurance down as it became continual rather than lots of short period cover fees. In effect that was a subscription service even though it was for old wrecks. That was back in the late 90s.

 

Oh and here is one of the UK car subscription services I mentioned earlier https://www.evezy.co.uk/

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6 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Um what? No they don't. GTR is 0-60 in 2.9, the upgraded performance option Tesla Model 3 does 3.5. You need to start jumping in to Model S's with Dual motors and hit the ludicrous button to actually beat a GTR in acceleration and that only lasts for so long before gearing limits what the EVs.

In ludicrous mode the drive overheats too if you repeatedly accelerate hard so unlike the GTR is not suitable for racing. The new EV Porsche however you can hammer all day in race mode with no issues whatsoever aside from needing to be recharged, or needing tyres replacing as it burns through them quite quickly when you gun it.

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