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RAM Memory Pricing Suggestion

10 minutes ago, Escade said:

thank you for the answer, ohh i tought it's b-die from this b-die finder https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/  and this discussion comment

 

All G.Skill 2800 MHz+ 16GB modules are Samsung B-die.
F4-3600C17Q-64GTZR consists of 4x F4-3600C17-16GTZR modules so it's the same as 2x F4-3600C17D-32GTZR kits. That's why I don't list 64GB kits because it is the same as 2x 32GB kits (at least for G.Skill).

 

G.Skill Trident Z RGB: F4-3600C17D-32GTZR (2x16GB 3600) has Samsung B-Die! http://rgho.st/6gHMnCdSy.view

Outdated. Hynix and Micron only started shipping their high frequency capable dies (beyond 3466MHz) since very late 2018 to mid 2019, before that Samsung B-die are everywhere but after that, most are Hynix CJR (since Micron seems to supply less to other brands). Btw the other Samsung dies listed, E-die is another high frequency legend (but runs loose tRP and tRCD like CJR and Rev E) while D die clocked poorly and discontinued before Skylake even is a thing. As a result, only common in X99 builds.

 

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so i need to choose between high speed memory or large memory :( ?

Yes. Going fast and carrying a lot don't mix, just like a vehicle with only 4 wheels. You could choose to make a fast race car or a van capable of moving everything you have, just not both.

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Hello Guys this is my build im going to buy, just in case to know the compactibility, Please ignore the pricing it's quiet different in my country

 

The main question is about the RAM Memory, here in Indonesia the pricing is so bad

i want to have total of 64 gigs of ram by combining 2kits total of 4 stick of ram (4x16GB) ( coz i do rendering and stuff and also a bit gaming), i want it to be 3600Mhz at ryzen sweetspot XMP or i could learn manual overclock

 

the option i have here is so limited

the only good option of Gskill RAM Memory here (2x16GB B-die) is 

 

F4-3600C17D-32GTZR that current pricing is around 200$

F4-3600C16D-32GTZN with 120$ more cost than CL17 ( 320$)

 

i prefer to buy it in my country here because the retailer warranty.

 

in therm of performance price wise choice (at least ryzen sweetspot) which RAM kit should i choose?

could i get ryzen sweetspot ?

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57 minutes ago, Escade said:

F4-3600C17D-32GTZR

This is definitely not Samsung B-die, the tRP and tRCD rating should be much lower if it is, i.e. no larger than 16 at 3600MHz.

 

58 minutes ago, Escade said:

in therm of performance price wise choice (at least ryzen sweetspot) which RAM kit should i choose?

could i get ryzen sweetspot ?

Tbh Samsung B-die is really heavy on the memory controller, and at 64GB setup even the worse 3600MHz kit regardless of die type or even the 3200MHz CL16 Crucial kits are going to be bottlenecked by the memory controller before the stick themselves. In other words, you dont need better kits because capacity is the largest problem


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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4 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

This is definitely not Samsung B-die, the tRP and tRCD rating should be much lower if it is, i.e. no larger than 16 at 3600MHz.

 

Tbh Samsung B-die is really heavy on the memory controller, and at 64GB setup even the worse 3600MHz kit regardless of die type or even the 3200MHz CL16 Crucial kits are going to be bottlenecked by the memory controller before the stick themselves. In other words, you dont need better kits because capacity is the largest problem

thank you for the answer, ohh i tought it's b-die from this b-die finder https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/  and this discussion comment

 

All G.Skill 2800 MHz+ 16GB modules are Samsung B-die.
F4-3600C17Q-64GTZR consists of 4x F4-3600C17-16GTZR modules so it's the same as 2x F4-3600C17D-32GTZR kits. That's why I don't list 64GB kits because it is the same as 2x 32GB kits (at least for G.Skill).

 

G.Skill Trident Z RGB: F4-3600C17D-32GTZR (2x16GB 3600) has Samsung B-Die! http://rgho.st/6gHMnCdSy.view

 

 

could you confirm it ? that this is b-die or not, im still not sure

 

so i need to choose between high speed memory ( make the most performance of ryzen )  or large memory :( ?

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10 minutes ago, Escade said:

thank you for the answer, ohh i tought it's b-die from this b-die finder https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/  and this discussion comment

 

All G.Skill 2800 MHz+ 16GB modules are Samsung B-die.
F4-3600C17Q-64GTZR consists of 4x F4-3600C17-16GTZR modules so it's the same as 2x F4-3600C17D-32GTZR kits. That's why I don't list 64GB kits because it is the same as 2x 32GB kits (at least for G.Skill).

 

G.Skill Trident Z RGB: F4-3600C17D-32GTZR (2x16GB 3600) has Samsung B-Die! http://rgho.st/6gHMnCdSy.view

Outdated. Hynix and Micron only started shipping their high frequency capable dies (beyond 3466MHz) since very late 2018 to mid 2019, before that Samsung B-die are everywhere but after that, most are Hynix CJR (since Micron seems to supply less to other brands). Btw the other Samsung dies listed, E-die is another high frequency legend (but runs loose tRP and tRCD like CJR and Rev E) while D die clocked poorly and discontinued before Skylake even is a thing. As a result, only common in X99 builds.

 

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so i need to choose between high speed memory or large memory :( ?

Yes. Going fast and carrying a lot don't mix, just like a vehicle with only 4 wheels. You could choose to make a fast race car or a van capable of moving everything you have, just not both.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Outdated. Hynix and Micron only started shipping their high frequency capable dies (beyond 3466MHz) until very late 2018 to mid 2019, before that Samsung B-die are everywhere but after that, most are Hynix CJR (since Micron seems to supply less to other brands)

Thanksss.. that information really help me a lot, so id prefer not choose both of them coz im goin for 64 gigs, like i could just choose low speed one like 2400Mhz ? it doesn't matter coz i need to choose large capacity module or ryzen sweet spot  ?

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2 minutes ago, Escade said:

. that information really help me a lot, so id prefer not choose both of them coz im goin for 64 gigs, like i could just choose low speed one like 2400Mhz ? it doesn't matter coz i need to choose large capacity module or ryzen sweet spot  ?

That's too extreme, Just because 3600MHz is unlikely to run without some effort doesn't mean you should give up speed entirely.

 

Best priced 2x16GB kit seems like 3000MHz CL16 and 3600MHz CL18 ones, the 3000MHz ones are good enough for non-tweakers but the 3600MHz CL18 should put you away from the much weaker Hynix AFR and MFR, leaving only CJR DJR, maybe JJR, and Micron Rev E to deal with.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

That's too extreme, Just because 3600MHz is unlikely to run without some effort doesn't mean you should give up speed entirely.

 

Best priced 2x16GB kit seems like 3000MHz CL16 and 3600MHz CL18 ones, the 3000MHz ones are good enough for non-tweakers but the 3600MHz CL18 should put you away from the much weaker Hynix AFR and MFR, leaving only CJR DJR, maybe JJR, and Micron Rev E to deal with.

okaay ill go with the cheaper 3600mhz cl17 the price is same with 3600mhz cl18 here with tighter timing, thankss for all the information.

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