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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello. I currently have a gtx 1070 and have been looking for a new gpu. I am a streamer so it needs to be an rtx card and I also want a good boost in performance as I want to be able to run red dead, cyberpunk and far cry 5 at over 100 FPS 1080p I was thinking a 2070 super off of eBay but please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. 

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2070 isn’t a significant improvement over a 1070, i’d Wait until we know more about RTX 3000


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8 minutes ago, Xereth said:

I am a streamer so it needs to be an rtx card

for what, to sound good?

 

8 minutes ago, Xereth said:

I want to be able to run red dead, cyberpunk and far cry 5 at over 100 FPS 1080p I was thinking a 2070 super off of eBay but please let me know what you think. Thanks in advance. 

off ebay? Budget is low?

 

also can forego 100fps here, if you're streaming at 30fps or 60fps, going higher doesnt mean much


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4 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

2070 isn’t a significant improvement over a 1070, i’d Wait until we know more about RTX 3000

he's talking about the super, not the standard.


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Just now, Jurrunio said:

he's talking about the super, not the standard.

Still not huge imo


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Here's a couple questions. 

 

Do you reach 100 fps when you aren't streaming?

If it does reach 100 fps when you aren't streaming, what fps does it reach while streaming?

Do you have a 144 hz monitor?

Can you afford to purchase that gpu?

Why does it need to be RTX?


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9 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

for what, to sound good?

for the nvenc encoder...

 

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

also can forego 100fps here, if you're streaming at 30fps or 60fps, going higher doesnt mean much

going higher means more enjoyable for the player?


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nvm


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I stream with a 1070 ti. Well above 100fps on every game I streamed thus far. This 1080p60fps stream output with the (new)NVENC. Looks fine so I'm not sure why you need to upgrade. Yet anyways. Maybe something else is causing problems. I mean I choke my 7700k at start of stream after a minute it's perfectly fine.

 


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Just now, ChaosCGTV said:

I stream with a 1070 ti. Well above 100fps on every game I streamed thus far. This 1080p60fps stream output with the (new)NVENC. Looks fine so I'm not sure why you need to upgrade. Yet anyways. Maybe something else is causing problems. I mean I choke my 7700k at start of stream after a minute it's perfectly fine.

 

My gpu tends to struggle when streaming so the encoder on the 2070 super would give me good performance when I’m streaming. The nvenc new feature seems to have disappeared from obs and I usually get around 60-130 FPS depending on the games I play when not streaming but when I am the FPS tends to drop to 80-90 when it was around 130 before I started streaming

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27 minutes ago, callmejaccob said:

Here's a couple questions. 

 

Do you reach 100 fps when you aren't streaming?

If it does reach 100 fps when you aren't streaming, what fps does it reach while streaming?

Do you have a 144 hz monitor?

Can you afford to purchase that gpu?

Why does it need to be RTX?

Yes when I play siege I hit 130+ on  but when I stream it goes down to 80 which is really bad and distracting in intense situations in game I do have a 144hz 1080p monitor I can not afford the gpu rn but if I sell my 1070 I can get a 2070 super off of eBay as it is a very reliable website because there is no point scamming as people will just claim to eBay and then the scammer will lose money and it needs to be RTX for the encoder.

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1 minute ago, Xereth said:

My gpu tends to struggle when streaming so the encoder on the 2070 super would give me good performance when I’m streaming. The nvenc new feature seems to have disappeared from obs and I usually get around 60-130 FPS depending on the games I play when not streaming but when I am the FPS tends to drop to 80-90 when it was around 130 before I started streaming

If your gpu seems to struggle to you, then maybe a gpu upgrade is something to consider. At least the upgrade will not be wasted as it has a bit of a performance boost


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31 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

Still not huge imo

The 2070 super gets around 40% higher frame rate than a 1070

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4 minutes ago, Xereth said:

Yes when I play siege I hit 130+ on  but when I stream it goes down to 80 which is really bad and distracting in intense situations in game I do have a 144hz 1080p monitor I can not afford the gpu rn but if I sell my 1070 I can get a 2070 super off of eBay as it is a very reliable website because there is no point scamming as people will just claim to eBay and then the scammer will lose money and it needs to be RTX for the encoder.

Have you considered the option of buying an old office desktop such as an optiplex and putting a 1650 or 1050 Ti into that? Then the stream has its own gpu and your game has its own gpu. (Dual PC streaming setup.)


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3 minutes ago, callmejaccob said:

Have you considered the option of buying an old office desktop such as an optiplex and putting a 1650 or 1050 Ti into that? Then the stream has its own gpu and your game has its own gpu. (Dual PC streaming setup.)

I only have a very tiny amount of space for such a thing and I HATE cables make me anxious for some reason plus I want to make my pc future proof and be able to make the most out of my 144hz monitor 

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1 minute ago, Xereth said:

I only have a very tiny amount of space for such a thing and I HATE cables make me anxious for some reason plus I want to make my pc future proof and be able to make the most out of my 144hz monitor 

Ok. Then the rtx 2070 super is your best bet. Best of luck.


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3 minutes ago, callmejaccob said:

Ok. Then the rtx 2070 super is your best bet. Best of luck.

Thanks dude u too

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33 minutes ago, Neftex said:

for the nvenc encoder...

that's not related to "RTX", that's just a feature of Turing (except 1650).


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41 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's not related to "RTX", that's just a feature of Turing (except 1650).

But it’s easier to say RTX than Turing 

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7 minutes ago, Xereth said:

But it’s easier to say RTX than Turing 

you could technically just get a 1650S for encoding and get any GPU fast enough for the game for example


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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

also can forego 100fps here, if you're streaming at 30fps or 60fps, going higher doesnt mean much

^^^ Indeed. Won't even get that in these two:

2 hours ago, Xereth said:

red dead, cyberpunk

Without a very beefy GPU. IIRC RDR2 will make a 2080 S or 2080 Ti choke, and Cyberpunk 2077 will likely be pretty damn demanding at higher settings too. Not that either of these games, or Far Cry 5 for that matter, are something you need 100fps in to be perfectly playable. 


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2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

that's not related to "RTX", that's just a feature of Turing (except 1650).

unless he wants to sidegrade or downgrade, rtx is the only range of cards with it and higher performance than 1070


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Might as well just wait for Cyberpunk 2077 and check benchmarks.


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4 hours ago, Xereth said:

My gpu tends to struggle when streaming so the encoder on the 2070 super would give me good performance when I’m streaming. The nvenc new feature seems to have disappeared from obs and I usually get around 60-130 FPS depending on the games I play when not streaming but when I am the FPS tends to drop to 80-90 when it was around 130 before I started streaming

I think you need to optimize your settings in OBS and adjust the detail settings in the game.


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