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Microsoft pulls KB4524244 due to BSOD, OS freezes, boot loops, and installation issues

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Posted (edited) · Original PosterOP

I really wish Microsoft would properly test their updates and not make the end users the beta testers.

Makes me glad I postpone updates for a few days with Windows 10 pro.

I was running into BSOD on fresh windows 10 installs, while having the computer plugged into the internet. As the update was being pushed on initial look for updates. This appeared to take place before the Group Policy's were pushed to the computer.

To get around the issue swapped to using a USB stick to install, rather than network boot. While disconnecting from the net while installing windows 10.

Its its nice to have news sites backing me up.

 

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-kb4524244-issues-and-pulls-the-update/

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Microsoft pulled the standalone KB4524244 security update today, February 15, 2020, from Windows Update after confirming user reports about freezes, boot problems, and installation issues since it was released on February 11.

KB4524244 was designed to address "an issue in which a third-party Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) boot manager might expose UEFI-enabled computers to a security vulnerability."

Redmond also says that KB4524244 can cause the 'Reset this PC' feature (aka 'Push Button Reset' or PBR) to fail on Windows 10 and Windows Server devices where it was installed.

"You might restart into recovery with 'Choose an option' at the top of the screen with various options or you might restart to your desktop and receive the error 'There was a problem resetting your PC'," Microsoft explains.

The KB4524244 issues affect both home and server installations,

 

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It's pretty impossible for them to test their updates with every single hardware configuration.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that they don't have more issues than they do.


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19 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It's pretty impossible for them to test their updates with every single hardware configuration.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that they don't have more issues than they do.

Well considering in the past they had a pretty decent track record of testing updates. Id say they are just being lazy and cheap. Windows XP and 7 never really had too many issues with updates. Nothing like WIndows 10 does. I dont understand why people say Microsoft cant do proper testing when they did so in past versions of Windows and there were shit loads of hardware configs back then as well. 

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46 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It's pretty impossible for them to test their updates with every single hardware configuration.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that they don't have more issues than they do.

Definitely see your point.  MacOS has fewer bugs because Apple only has to test it for their own machines.  It's easier to beta-test prior to release.  Microsoft has to try to test for the entire fucking hardware market, which gets complicated in a hurry!


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30 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Well considering in the past they had a pretty decent track record of testing updates. Id say they are just being lazy and cheap. Windows XP and 7 never really had too many issues with updates. Nothing like WIndows 10 does. I dont understand why people say Microsoft cant do proper testing when they did so in past versions of Windows and there were shit loads of hardware configs back then as well. 

No issues with XP/Win7 updates? It's just that you're no longer remembering it.

I''m sure MS does quite some inhouse testing previous to any release but with the myriads of combinations out there it simply fails every now and then, I am not surprised. They should just open up their OS and allow cutting-edge users to use the OS freely with reports before they release hardened updates to those who use it on a paid licence. 

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31 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Well considering in the past they had a pretty decent track record of testing updates. Id say they are just being lazy and cheap. Windows XP and 7 never really had too many issues with updates. Nothing like WIndows 10 does. I dont understand why people say Microsoft cant do proper testing when they did so in past versions of Windows and there were shit loads of hardware configs back then as well. 

Maybe they wouldn't be so cheap if so many people weren't getting their Windows codes from Reddit or eBay...

3 minutes ago, Techstorm970 said:

Definitely see your point.  MacOS has fewer bugs because Apple only has to test it for their own machines.  It's easier to beta-test prior to release.  Microsoft has to try to test for the entire fucking hardware market, which gets complicated in a hurry!

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1 minute ago, Sir0Tek said:

No issues with XP/Win7 updates? It's just that you're no longer remembering it.

I''m sure MS does quite some inhouse testing previous to any release but with the myriads of combinations out there it simply fails every now and then, I am not surprised. They should just open up their OS and allow cutting-edge users to use the OS freely with reports before they release hardened updates to those who use it on a paid licence. 

No its a fact that when the new CEO took over that he pretty much laid off most of the Windows testing team. They are not doing testing like they once did. Also I am remember correctly. The only issues I ever had with a WIndows update was related to a service pack. Which is to be expected. Never had any issues under XP or Windows 7. Hell I dont remember having issues under Windows 98 as well. Not to the extent they have now. Every month there is an article about people have issues. Never seen that with any other verisons of Windows in the internet age. 

 

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Maybe they wouldn't be so cheap if so many people weren't getting their Windows codes from Reddit or eBay...

Well they can put a stop to that. They choose not to. 

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3 minutes ago, Donut417 said:

Well they can put a stop to that. They choose not to. 

Mmmm not too sure about that. It'd require a massive investment of time and resources.

Not only that...saying that doesn't change the fact it's true, does it?


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1 minute ago, dizmo said:

Mmmm not too sure about that. It'd require a massive investment of time and resources.

Not only that...saying that doesn't change the fact it's true, does it?

If game devs can region lock keys, so can Microsoft. Because many of the keys are from other regions. Secondly they can black list retailers and sites that dont follow their rules, so just make it so you have to buy it from them directly. 

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The individual experience with XP/Win7 or even 98(SE, har har) may vary of course, but since I had to revive several systems after failed updates (and due to service-packs, at times it was just a compressed horror-show), I am glad I never had (nor will have) to face the windows-experience on my own systems.

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6 hours ago, Sir0Tek said:

No issues with XP/Win7 updates? It's just that you're no longer remembering it.

I''m sure MS does quite some inhouse testing previous to any release but with the myriads of combinations out there it simply fails every now and then, I am not surprised. They should just open up their OS and allow cutting-edge users to use the OS freely with reports before they release hardened updates to those who use it on a paid licence. 

Yeah, shudders, I sure remember some.  Like the one update that BSOD around 100+ of our laptops because said update did not play nicely with a security software we used on the laptops.  Thankfully, I found the update and remove it through safe mode and manage to block it on our update server.  And, that with our environment doing internal testing before pushing it out (seems someone mess up not checking how the update would behave on our specific image).  Sometimes just the right combo of hardware, updates, and software can cause a hell of issues.  Just had update issue occur on our RHEL base clients.  Wackiest thing I ever saw, darn specific sound card and kernel with video encoder software would just make the clients just restart out of the blue (had to switch to different sound cards to resolve said issue). 


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I have it and don't have issues though. 


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12 hours ago, Twilight said:

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Linux based OS updates also have issues. Not to mention getting updates can sometimes lead to a week-end project due to conflicts that needs to be dealt with.

 

13 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Also I am remember correctly. The only issues I ever had with a WIndows update was related to a service pack.

Nope, regular updates also had issues.

13 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Which is to be expected. Never had any issues under XP or Windows 7.

I never had any issues under Windows 10. And I am on the Insider Fast Ring program too, which should make it worse. You cannot take one experience and apply to all.

I mean, the issues listed, do you have them? I don't think so. So great!

 

13 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Not to the extent they have now. Every month there is an article about people have issues. Never seen that with any other verisons of Windows in the internet age. 

Of course there is an article on people have issues. Before, "no one" cared if you had an issue. Today, it gets clicks, so the media reports every little thing. I mean good! It help ensures that bugs don't slip out through cracks.

 

13 hours ago, Donut417 said:

Well they can put a stop to that. They choose not to. 

Incorrect:

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/11/13/windows-10-quality-approach-for-a-complex-ecosystem/

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2018/12/19/driver-quality-in-the-windows-ecosystem/

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2019/04/04/improving-the-windows-10-update-experience-with-control-quality-and-transparency/

 

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22 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Linux based OS updates also have issues. Not to mention getting updates can sometimes lead to a week-end project due to conflicts that needs to be dealt with.

it was a joke

 

don't get me started lol. dare to update to a new lts kernel day 1 of release? nvidia drivers broken, wireless drivers broken depending on which one's you have, possibly virtualbox and other apps that use kernel modules broken.... 


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15 hours ago, dizmo said:

It's pretty impossible for them to test their updates with every single hardware configuration.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that they don't have more issues than they do.

This might be worth a watch


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3 minutes ago, maazster said:

This might be worth a watch

^this^

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2 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

, the issues listed, do you have them? I

No because I no longer use Windows. 1903 fucked my previous machine pretty bad. Moved to Linux. Really haven’t had to many issues. I will admit I’ve had some. But figured out how to correct them. 
 

Also my issues existed since Windows 10 was released. It never ran right for me, even after multiple reinstalls. My laptop was the same had issues. 

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1 hour ago, maazster said:

This might be worth a watch

I don't really care tbh ?‍♂️


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So many people complain about system, but they refuse to remember that system is hardware dependent. Last month I had some problem with BSOD and then with boot. I read bsod info but still cannot believe that my sound card may be a problem. But after one day I discovered that my sound card is not working. Well, I removed that card (it works for long time), clean connectors, plug again and now it works without any problem. Strange, but happens - even light bulb may stop working for more than one reason.

 

Why I wrote about it? Because sometimes (or even in most cases) problem is not with system. And people who trying to fix it with mouse and keyboard only (including constant reinstalling system) write on forums that Windows is bad. No, is not. Mostly it's just bad hardware itself or hardware config. After all most of users have working, up to date systems without any issues.

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On 2/18/2020 at 12:59 AM, BecauseICanTBH said:

Just block all their BS "preview" builds in Group Policy Editor. There's no need to be a lab rat for their sketchy, untested releases.

Easy to say, but a bit harder to do, especially when they apply can apply online updates before group policys takes effect.

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On 2/18/2020 at 2:06 AM, maazster said:

This might be worth a watch

Many of us don't like taking the words of an ex employee who makes his money from getting clicks on the internet seriously.


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I have not had any issues with windows 10 itself yet.

But I have never forced an update (no one should, there is logic behind how Microsoft rolls them out), and usually got updates later than many other people.


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