Seasonic m12ii 620 evo edition

[NoobPCbuilder10101]

Hello! I've read quite a few reviews about this PSU and the opinions are 50 bad and 50 good.

Most of the people say it is bad because it lacks protection such as ocp and such but according to seasonic website, it has those protection that they say is "lacking"

 

PSU experts, please enlighten me. I'm planning to buy this for my son's budget build (first build too)

 

 

Edit:

Link for the seasonic m12ii evo edition

https://seasonic.com/m12ii-evo?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=d35f8e08492b0f1c696be4ea424ca36c9ee49fd4-1581467930-0-AVbH1y4k2rSJ-a7xMmAbSo7IeelwULCwmLyYg28oe6hsxYIkzwFLO1LQzaW1yvTkYUE4RiqwmFYhvE_VYJpAp4de9MtAxNBzQ8Kp-LAOfXzI-rj4mrpv4tYoxJNu0DE7lTNwyxl_hxGlhhZYz4zbLq6F_BnQxCPy_V442d2VCIrd4wpFjmCTrkgXZMkF9f4yNewuf5eMDe1BUcQ9jifevpnRqKdPDtyQx2MI5cL-Kz8U3_XEHfkrpa_0rL9ecIZcYGMB_1-6ceKVTycdZK_gC8XI49Xd4yBgrCbWJsNlMR4q#specification

[Aaron_T]

Seasonic is one of the best PSU brands available. I have owned several and never had any issues. On the other hand, I have had at least a dozen PSUs from other name brands, EVGA, Thermaltake, Corsair, etc straight up die on me or develop other small problems that didn't completely inhibit usage, Example: EVGA 1000w Gold unit overheated(with plenty of ventilation) and fused one cable into the body of the unit, it was modular.

 

I don't have experience with that specific unit, but it has all industry standard protections listed, and Seasonic PSUs are the best.

[Princess Luna]

20 minutes ago, NoobPCbuilder10101 said:

Link for the seasonic m12ii evo edition

Go for the grey label CX450 if you're going to use mid end parts, something like a GTX 1660 Super build with a Ryzen 5 will work on one and that's a much better unit for likely even cheaper price point.

 

The thing here is that the M12II is an *extremely* outdated design, it lacks safety features, it has a pretty terrible topology by today's standards, loosen voltage regulations and all that with a rather noisy fan.

 

It is still sold because a lot of people only care for the brand but this unit in specific is already obsolete in the sense of purchasing brand new, speciall for current day hardware that requires far more clean and stable power to operate.

 

We have a Tier List on the PSU section that could be useful to you if you want to look at other power supplies other than the CX or maybe just state your currency and place you're buying at... if PCPP is supported it is help locating something.

[Jurrunio]

@LukeSavenije

[deadsnake]

is there a list of obsolete PSU with an obsolete design(topology or whatever it is) that newer system builds should avoid?

[Vejnemojnen]

4 hours ago, AaronThomas said:

Seasonic is one of the best PSU brands available. I have owned several and never had any issues. On the other hand, I have had at least a dozen PSUs from other name brands, EVGA, Thermaltake, Corsair, etc straight up die on me or develop other small problems that didn't completely inhibit usage, Example: EVGA 1000w Gold unit overheated(with plenty of ventilation) and fused one cable into the body of the unit, it was modular.

 

I don't have experience with that specific unit, but it has all industry standard protections listed, and Seasonic PSUs are the best.

better to back up a recommendation  I generally would not buy a M12 as new. Way overpriced for what it offers. I prefer this table:

Below average category https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bEcFiMdLWPtPu3c1JsvsLIbcYANlLUVO1ICQdh-jxsg/htmlview

PSU guide

 

Lacks UVP, OCP and OTP

Group Regulated

ATX

5

55-75

Bad Group regulated Design. Lacks 12v UVP. Lacks OCP. Lacks OTP Very loud, Lacks C6/C7 Sleep states

[NoobPCbuilder10101]

1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

 

Lacks UVP, OCP and OTP

Group Regulated

ATX

5

55-75

Bad Group regulated Design. Lacks 12v UVP. Lacks OCP. Lacks OTP Very loud, Lacks C6/C7 Sleep states

I'm confused. It says here on the website, it has those protection.

[NoobPCbuilder10101]

5 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

Go for the grey label CX450 if you're going to use mid end parts, something like a GTX 1660 Super build with a Ryzen 5 will work on one and that's a much better unit for likely even cheaper price point.

The CX450 is no longer available on our country i think, I can't find one on the stores near us.

 

5 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

 

 

The thing here is that the M12II is an *extremely* outdated design, it lacks safety features, it has a pretty terrible topology by today's standards, loosen voltage regulations and all that with a rather noisy fan.

 

 

Please elaborate those safety features as I am confused, people say it lacks UVP, OCP and OTP but I see here on the website that it has those protection.

[GoldenLag]

19 minutes ago, NoobPCbuilder10101 said:

The CX450 is no longer available on our country i think, I can't find one on the stores near us.

do you have an online store that we can work with?

20 minutes ago, NoobPCbuilder10101 said:

Please elaborate those safety features as I am confused, people say it lacks UVP, OCP and OTP but I see here on the website that it has those protection.

m12ii <750w is of a group regulated design. it does lack those bits iirc. its got OPP which covers for OCP, but OTP and UVP is lacking afaik. 

 

just dont get a group regulated unit in 2017-2018-2019-2020. there are other offerings. 

 

6 hours ago, AaronThomas said:

Seasonic PSUs are the best.

they have good PSUs on their high end, doesnt mean their low-end is great. 

6 hours ago, AaronThomas said:

EVGA 1000w Gold unit overheated(with plenty of ventilation) and fused one cable into the body of the unit, it was modular.

overheated, as in OTP kicked in? or that one of the downsides of high power singlerails PSUs presented itself?

[LukeSavenije]

53 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

but OTP and UVP is lacking afaik.

not 100% true, it does have uvp on the minor rails, but not on 12v

 

that doesn't change the recommendation not to get it here

[GoldenLag]

Just now, LukeSavenije said:

not 100% true, it does have uvp on the minor rails, but not on 12v

my choice of wording makes it 100% true. 

 

its "lacking". which means it either doesnt have it, that its lacking in its coverage, or any other reason. 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

my choice of wording makes it 100% true. 

 

its "lacking". which means it either doesnt have it, that its lacking in its coverage, or any other reason. 

touche

 

but to sum it up

• no 12v undervoltage protection
• no overtemperature protection
• no individual regulation
• rather loud
• doesn't meet c6/c7 sleep states
• there are better choices on the market for the same or less

[NoobPCbuilder10101]

58 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

do you have an online store that we can work with?

The store near us has a price list on awesome table.

here is the link

 

https://awesome-table.com/-KrkkVbKZR_HZ2x8lsHk/view

 

The seasonic m12ii evo 620w is priced at 3825 Philippine peso. Or 75usd.

 

I want to buy my son a Ryzen 5 2600, gigabyte gtx 1660 super oc, 2x8gb Kingston hyperx fury 2666mhz cl16, 2 1tb hdd and 128gb ssd.

 

Can you recommend a psu that can handle the load on the specs? Possibly cheaper than the m12ii evo.

 

Thank you

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, NoobPCbuilder10101 said:

Can you recommend a psu that can handle the load on the specs?

looking at pricing i'd recommend one of the following

• cougar GX-S
• Seasonic focus GM
• EVGA GD
• Corsair CX
• Corsair TXM

[Vejnemojnen]

7 minutes ago, NoobPCbuilder10101 said:

The store near us has a price list on awesome table.

here is the link

 

https://awesome-table.com/-KrkkVbKZR_HZ2x8lsHk/view

 

The seasonic m12ii evo 620w is priced at 3825 Philippine peso. Or 75usd.

 

I want to buy my son a Ryzen 5 2600, gigabyte gtx 1660 super oc, 2x8gb Kingston hyperx fury 2666mhz cl16, 2 1tb hdd and 128gb ssd.

 

Can you recommend a psu that can handle the load on the specs? Possibly cheaper than the m12ii evo.

 

Thank you

do you have access to bitfenix formula gold 450w unit? If not, even a corsair CX450 would be a better choice than the M12ii Evo. The complete rig will consume around 250watts under heavy torture btw..

[GoldenLag]

8 minutes ago, NoobPCbuilder10101 said:

Can you recommend a psu that can handle the load on the specs? Possibly cheaper than the m12ii evo.

cougar GX-S seems like a neat choice. 

 

or the seasonic focus GM

[NoobPCbuilder10101]

10 minutes ago, Vejnemojnen said:

do you have access to bitfenix formula gold 450w unit? If not, even a corsair CX450 would be a better choice than the M12ii Evo. The complete rig will consume around 250watts under heavy torture btw..

If it will consume around 250 watts, then i think i won't need 600 watt psu. Can you guys recommend a good 450w or 500w psu? I can't find a Corsair cx450 here.

Edited February 12, 2020 by NoobPCbuilder10101