Ryzen 9 3rd gen upgrade

[MikeS159]

I am after some general comment on my planned build and help deciding between a 3950X or 3900X.

 

My current setup is a bit dated, i5-3570k, 16GB DDR3, GTX 1060.

My plan is to upgrade to a new 3rd gen Ryzen 9 processor. Parts I will be bringing across are:

• GTX 1060
• Case (Silent Base 800)
• A HDD for bulk storage
• SSD to be used for Steam games
• LTT Edition NH-D15

Old parts will go into a spare case to be used for unraid project.

 

Below is a screen shot of my planned upgrades and links to scan.co.uk (I live in the UK so I need uk suppliers)

• PSU
• Mobo
• NVME
• RAM
• 3950X
• 3900X

 

Planned use-case for new PC:

• Gaming (GPU upgrade down the road)
• Photo editing in Lightroom
• Video editing in Premier Pro (1080p 60, 2160p 30/60 sometimes)
• Occasional game stream/record
• Programming - lots of hobby projects
• Programming - for work. Will have to be run in Linux VM, current native Linux build on i9-7900X takes about 7 mins (won't be using build machine when working from home)
• I multi-task things a lot when I can

 

I really like the idea of getting a 3950X, but I can't really justify if from a price to performance perspective. Below is a performance ratio between the 2 processors from the LTT video about the 3950X, the 3950X has a average of 1.11x better performance (I know this is pretty crude). It's 1.57x the price, 1.29x the price when you consider RAM and Mobo too (I won't be upgrading for a while so really this is the true cost of the CPU). 1.17x as a proportion of all the parts I am buying.

CPU Test 1 Test 2 Test 3 Test 4 Test 5 Test 6 Test 7 Test 8 ST 1 ST 2 Test 11 Test 12 Test 13 Test 14 Test 15 Test 16 Test 17 Test 18 3950X 9180 129 26343 7400 786 90 634 323 491 520 91 142 61 105 216 260 146 520 3900X 7119 131 19627 5751 895 117 782 373 493 524 90 140 61 105 211 259 142 490   1.289507 1.015504 1.342182 1.286733 1.138677 1.3 1.233438 1.154799 0.995943 0.992366 1.011111 1.014286 1 1 1.023697 1.003861 1.028169 1.061224                                                   Total Avg 1.105083                                                               Just CPU £697.67 1.571364   CPU, RAM, Mobo £1,135.14 1.287795       All parts £1,715.11 1.173583             £443.99         £881.46           £1,461.43             Any thoughts on the build overall? Any more input on the processor choice based on my use case.   Thanks

[boggy77]

firstly, don't get that mobo, it's and can't handle a 3900, as it overheats. secondly, i'd go for a 3700 or 3900 and maybe only 32gb of ram unless you're sure you actually use more.

 

Edit: realised wasn't helpful with the mobo advice. get a asus tuf or prime or strix

[Stu_Bear]

Looks like a million dollars....I'd add a smaller drive to install your OS on...just so when it, the OS, craps out on you...it's not a big deal.

[GoldenLag]

10 minutes ago, madmike159 said:

Mobo

pretty much the worst one that the x570 plattform offers while not being all that better than good b450 boards. avoid it. 

 

get a B450 max board from MSI, or the Prime P. 

 

15 minutes ago, madmike159 said:

NVME

kinda a silly drive for your usecase. you could almost halven the cost. 

[16bit]

Overkill CPU for your video editing preferences. Ryzen 7 3700X it's a better choice. Mobo it's not good, I don't think you'll benefit of the PCI-e 4.0 ports, would certainly go for B450. I'd go for 32gb of RAM.

[MikeS159]

1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

firstly, don't get that mobo, it's and can't handle a 3900, as it overheats. secondly, i'd go for a 3700 or 3900 and maybe only 32gb of ram unless you're sure you actually use more.

 

Edit: realised wasn't helpful with the mobo advice. get a asus tuf or prime or strix

Ok, I'll look at Asus ones. The MSI ones had reviews and I was trying to follow the LTT advice of "get the popular one, it will be supported better", hard to tell which the most popular is though.

 

1 minute ago, Stu_Bear said:

Looks like a million dollars....I'd add a smaller drive to install your OS on...just so when it, the OS, craps out on you...it's not a big deal.

So VM's can be pretty big, as can dev tools like Visual Studio. Also I've had problem with Adobe software when I've had my videos and pictures folders on a different drive. A big OS drive crapping out doesn't bother me, I have pretty robust backups.

[Stu_Bear]

1 minute ago, madmike159 said:

So VM's can be pretty big, as can dev tools like Visual Studio. Also I've had problem with Adobe software when I've had my videos and pictures folders on a different drive. A big OS drive crapping out doesn't bother me, I have pretty robust backups.

I'm lazy about backups...hence my reasons.  Still it's easier to stomach when all you have to do is a fresh install of OS and add the other drive.  You can install all your software (Adobe) and VMs on the NVMe...just the OS on a smallish SSD.  Wish "modern" mobos had a small flash card socket like the old servers...it would be awesome to have a 64gb flash card to install the OS on. 

[GoldenLag]

11 minutes ago, madmike159 said:

The MSI ones had reviews and I was trying to follow the LTT advice of "get the popular one, it will be supported better", hard to tell which the most popular is though.

user reviews are kinda dumb. this is on a consumer plattform. as such the volume is allready high enough to get good support. 

 

and i dont think ive ever seen a good positive review regarding that motherboard. its among the bottom 2 garbage x570 boards that do not even have a good enough VRM to properly support the selection of CPUs. 

 

11 minutes ago, madmike159 said:

Ok, I'll look at Asus ones.

its not about the brand. its about specific boards. 

 

how much you spending?

 

edit: i just re-read the post. i know how much you are spending

[16bit]

6 minutes ago, Seriouswhyso said:

Overkill CPU for your video editing preferences. Ryzen 7 3700X it's a better choice. Mobo it's not good, I don't think you'll benefit of the PCI-e 4.0 ports, would certainly go for B450. I'd go for 32gb of RAM.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	£259.99 @ Amazon UK
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	£98.95 @ Amazon UK
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	£141.18 @ Aria PC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	£500.12
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 15:33 GMT+0000

 

[WereCat]

just check der8auer X570 motherboard roundup video on YT, you will see how bad some of those boards are at handling 3900X/3950X.

[GoldenLag]

4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

just check der8auer X570 motherboard roundup video on YT, you will see how bad some of those boards are at handling 3900X/3950X.

 

or just this testing. 

 

17 minutes ago, madmike159 said:

Ok, I'll look at Asus ones.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£415.65 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£168.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£124.97 @ Laptops Direct) 
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£249.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.98 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £1048.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 15:41 GMT+0000

 

here you go. better for less. 

[Mateyyy]

The 3900X will be more than enough for your use case.

Definitely swap out the motherboard - I would suggest going for a TUF X570-PLUS from Asus. It's fairly close in terms of pricing and it has way superior VRMs that can handle even a 3950X without any issues.

Lastly, that SSD is stupidly overpriced. I'd suggest going for either a Samsung 970 EVO or a Sabrent Rocket.

[Quickstrike]

Your NVME drive is overkill, go down half the capacity or even better, buy two and run them in raid.
 

You'll save a bunch and you can put those saving toward 3600ghz RAM sicks (clocked the same as the infinity fabric in 2nd gen Ryzen. Make sure your RAM is tested for the board you are getting.

As for you MOBO, I suggest ROG Strix x-570 E or F. (I have an E myself)

Finally, bump that PSU up to 850. It's going to be more efficient if you work long hours. 
Eventually, you'll want to put a better GPU in that little best of yours because you're build a Ferrari with tractor tires ATM.

 

Cheers!

 

[GoldenLag]

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I'd suggest going for either a Samsung 970 EVO

the 970 evo is equally dumb to get compared to much cheaper alternatives. 

 i dont why people suggest it. as it actually really doesnt offer anything special for its price. 

[Mateyyy]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

the 970 evo is equally dumb to get compared to much cheaper alternatives. 

 i dont why people suggest it. as it actually really doesnt offer anything special for its price. 

It's about as fast as you can get before you start getting into straight up placebo territory for almost any task, and I personally think their drives are among the best out there in terms of reliability. It's also definitely less expensive than that Gigabyte drive, but sure, you can get something even cheaper that will still get the job done - hence why I also mentioned the Sabrent Rocket.

[GoldenLag]

Just now, Quickstrike said:

Finally, bump that PSU up to 850. It's going to be more efficient if you work long hours. 

um. no its really gonna be. also its kinda silly to spend more as the 650w is allready plenty. and getting a 850w singlerail PSU is kinda silly for a workstation system.

2 minutes ago, Quickstrike said:

Your NVME drive is overkill, go down half the capacity or even better, buy two and run them in raid.

going raid outside or redundancy is really not all that usefull. also he says he needs the storage, so why not. its not all that more expencive, and it allows for better overprovisioning. 

3 minutes ago, Quickstrike said:

You'll save a bunch and you can put those saving toward 3600ghz RAM sicks (clocked the same as the infinity fabric in 2nd gen Ryzen. Make sure your RAM is tested for the board you are getting.

doesnt make a difference in the workload he does. 

 

also, unless you explicitly set the IF to run at something else. IF will allways be tied to the ramspeed. and 3600mhz is a speed, but you can run almost any kit at that speed, what you need is good latency. 

5 minutes ago, Quickstrike said:

As for you MOBO, I suggest ROG Strix x-570 E or F. (I have an E myself)

not usefull for his usecase sadly. if he needs IO, there is allways cheaper offerings like the Tuf, which uses the same VRM as the strix E. 

 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

It's about as fast as you can get before you start getting into straight up placebo territory for almost any task

speed is one thing, but there are a lot of drives matching it in speed. even the 660p getting close to it. so that is nothing special. 

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I personally think their drives are among the best out there in terms of reliability.

maybe? there is also just their slight bump in TBW rating, but that is also fairly similar across the type of flash. so still nothing special. 

2 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

It's also definitely less expensive than that Gigabyte drive

indeed it is. but still way more expencive than something like a Phison E12 drive. of which there are many. 

 

so it even kinda fails in that regard. 

4 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

hence why I also mentioned the Sabrent Rocket.

i know, but why mention a drive that actually doesnt offer anything significan over that phison E12 drive? like its a good drive, but 55% better?

 

also the sabrent rocket 4.0 is at the same price. and that does offer something special , even tho its kinda a silly drive still. 

[Mateyyy]

28 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

speed is one thing, but there are a lot of drives matching it in speed. even the 660p getting close to it. so that is nothing special. 

maybe? there is also just their slight bump in TBW rating, but that is also fairly similar across the type of flash. so still nothing special. 

indeed it is. but still way more expencive than something like a Phison E12 drive. of which there are many. 

 

so it even kinda fails in that regard. 

i know, but why mention a drive that actually doesnt offer anything significan over that phison E12 drive? like its a good drive, but 55% better?

 

also the sabrent rocket 4.0 is at the same price. and that does offer something special , even tho its kinda a silly drive still. 

Pretty sure the 970 EVO uses MLC, but I can't really disagree with what you've had to say anyway, so yes, OP might as well go with the Sabrent Rocket.

[MikeS159]

Sounds like 3900x over 3950x
Mobo with decent VRM's (watch the der8auer video)

Ignoring capacities, it sound like most people are saying that PCIe 4 drives aren't worth it

 

 

[GoldenLag]

1 minute ago, Mateyyy said:

Pretty sure the 970 EVO uses MLC

it doesnt. well, it uses 3-bit MLC to quote samsung. which is TLC.........

Just now, madmike159 said:

Mobo with decent VRM's (watch the der8auer video)

or the linked video with a timestamp. or just get the tuf. 

49 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  (£415.65 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£168.99 @ AWD-IT) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (£124.97 @ Laptops Direct) 
Storage: Sabrent Rocket 2 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (£249.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£88.98 @ AWD-IT) 
Total: £1048.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-11 15:41 GMT+0000

like i ficed everything here.