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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello, I am building a pc, the specs are
12GB DDR3 1600MHZ (1x8GB 1600MHz 1x4GB 1600MHz)
Intel Xeon E3-1220
AMD Radeon R9 270X 2GB
Zalman ZM500-GS (500W) (Replaced, before there was a Whitenergy 400w which i tested it on as well) (The psu has 2x PCIe 6 and 8pin)
(SSD and an hdd)

When I put the R9 into this system, it wont boot. It doesnt display, and after some time, if i click the power button, it immedately shuts down, which means it didnt get past post.
When I put an R7 260X ive got spare into it (even with the 400w we psu), it normally boots.
When I used the R9 in my main pc (CX600, instead of my rtx 2070, using i7 4770k), it displays fine.

What is the problem? Psu calc recommended 450W PSU.
I thought it was the awful Whitenergy psu, but turns out its not.
I will be selling this pc, so I dont want to invest a ton of money into a new 600W psu. Can you please help me figure out what the problem is?

The R9 requires 2x6pin, and i plugged in just that. The GPU is properly seated in the pci slot.

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2 minutes ago, Diverticz said:

Cpu z says version F1, if thats the correct thing?

It usually says on the motherboard itself


Please quote or tag  @Ben17 if you want to see a reply.

If I don't reply it's probly because I am in a different time zone or haven't seen your message yet but I will reply when I see it ? 

 

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Just now, Diverticz said:

Sorry, its not on there, I looked

ah ok np


Please quote or tag  @Ben17 if you want to see a reply.

If I don't reply it's probly because I am in a different time zone or haven't seen your message yet but I will reply when I see it ? 

 

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16 minutes ago, Diverticz said:

Zalman ZM500-GS (500W) (Replaced, before there was a Whitenergy 400w which i tested it on as well) (The psu has 2x PCIe 6 and 8pin)
(SSD and an hdd)

What is the problem? Psu calc recommended 450W PSU.
I will be selling this pc, so I dont want to invest a ton of money into a new 600W psu.

Well that fake 500W PSU is actually a 408W made by CWT, so you're under the recommended wattage that the calc said. Why replace one crappy psu with another?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I only read positive feedback on zalman, and the psu itself had good reviews too, didnt know it was fake. I see then, thats surely the problem, since the cx 600 handles it well. Thanks for the info

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36 minutes ago, Diverticz said:

When I put the R9 into this system, it wont boot. It doesnt display, and after some time, if i click the power button, it immedately shuts down, which means it didnt get past post.

Which R9 270X is this? exact model

 

And which 260X?


Quote or Tag people so they know that you've replied, otherwise you'd just be talking to yourself.

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Are you booting in legacy or UEFI - since its an old system it may be booting Legacy, and the card may be a UEFI only card.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

Which R9 270X is this? exact model

 

And which 260X?

Gigabyte Windforce R9 270X (triple fans)
Msi r7 260x OCV1

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Just now, Tristerin said:

Are you booting in legacy or UEFI - since its an old system it may be booting Legacy, and the card may be a UEFI only card.

I will check, thanks! 

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8 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Are you booting in legacy or UEFI - since its an old system it may be booting Legacy, and the card may be a UEFI only card.

I cant figure how to find that out, it is in bios i am sure, how is it called in there?

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1 hour ago, Diverticz said:

I cant figure how to find that out, it is in bios i am sure, how is it called in there?

What motherboard?  


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10 hours ago, Tristerin said:

What motherboard?  

 

12 hours ago, Diverticz said:

Its the Gigabyte GA H61MA D2V

@Tristerin Please read the thread first.


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12 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

 

@Tristerin Please read the thread first.

Part of me just wants to leave this thread because of attitudes like yours that could say, heres that info from up there (because if I spent my time reading through entire threads when a solution isn't present, when I believe I likely have a solution, Im only perusing for key words, and in this situation it was the words Legacy and UEFI.)  

 

Thanks for being "helpful" in this thread but at the same time the 12 year old in me has this to say to you:

 

No u.

 

Now, back to the OPs problem:

 

Ensure your motherboard BIOS is up to date.  The section from what I am reading, that you are looking for, is in the Secure Boot section.  


Since the card is booting in systems that are UEFI for sure (4770k system) I am going to assume the GPU is a UEFI only BIOS, not a Legacy BIOS (and the older, likely to have Legacy and UEFI boot options on the GPU R7 260X works because it likely has both options in the BIOS of the GPU).  You may not even have to update the BIOS on the motherboard either so can go and check.  Once you boot in UEFI the card, possibly, should work.  I don't have all the information to guarantee it but this is where I would start.  

 

 


Workstation Laptop: Dell Precision 7540, Xeon E-2276M, 32gb DDR4, Quadro T2000 GPU, 4k display

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https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37628874?

Dwight: The Mixed Metals Loop Media Center.  Ask me about it.  Currently decommissioned to move to an mATX setup on a new MOBO once I pick one out

Schrute: ASUS M5A99FX Pro R2.0, FX 8350, 2x Gigabyte HD 7850 2gb GPUs in crossfire, 16gb (4x4) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600mhz, Sparkle/FSP 650w PSU, PCCOOLING 160w TDP air cooler, 60gb Patriot SSD Win 10 boot drive, 1tb WDBlack HDD, Rosewill Nautilus 1.0 case.  Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse, Roku 55" 4k TV

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Linux Box: Toshiba Laptop, i7 620M, NVS graphics, 2gb ram tinker toy at the moment.  Running Manjaro at the moment

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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 2/12/2020 at 3:41 PM, Tristerin said:

Part of me just wants to leave this thread because of attitudes like yours that could say, heres that info from up there (because if I spent my time reading through entire threads when a solution isn't present, when I believe I likely have a solution, Im only perusing for key words, and in this situation it was the words Legacy and UEFI.)  

 

Thanks for being "helpful" in this thread but at the same time the 12 year old in me has this to say to you:

 

No u.

 

Now, back to the OPs problem:

 

Ensure your motherboard BIOS is up to date.  The section from what I am reading, that you are looking for, is in the Secure Boot section.  


Since the card is booting in systems that are UEFI for sure (4770k system) I am going to assume the GPU is a UEFI only BIOS, not a Legacy BIOS (and the older, likely to have Legacy and UEFI boot options on the GPU R7 260X works because it likely has both options in the BIOS of the GPU).  You may not even have to update the BIOS on the motherboard either so can go and check.  Once you boot in UEFI the card, possibly, should work.  I don't have all the information to guarantee it but this is where I would start.  

 

 

Ive got an issue, I cant seem to find any bios download on the gigabyte website for this board, nor can I find a secure boot section in the bios. I also found a couple threads on older forums with people talking about how their r9s dont display on this board, none of them however seemed to find a solution, perhaps the gpu is just incompatible due to something missing on the board? Btw the bios its using is uefi, but i dont know if i boot through/to uefi or legacy

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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 2/12/2020 at 3:41 PM, Tristerin said:

Part of me just wants to leave this thread because of attitudes like yours that could say, heres that info from up there (because if I spent my time reading through entire threads when a solution isn't present, when I believe I likely have a solution, Im only perusing for key words, and in this situation it was the words Legacy and UEFI.)  

 

Thanks for being "helpful" in this thread but at the same time the 12 year old in me has this to say to you:

 

No u.

 

Now, back to the OPs problem:

 

Ensure your motherboard BIOS is up to date.  The section from what I am reading, that you are looking for, is in the Secure Boot section.  


Since the card is booting in systems that are UEFI for sure (4770k system) I am going to assume the GPU is a UEFI only BIOS, not a Legacy BIOS (and the older, likely to have Legacy and UEFI boot options on the GPU R7 260X works because it likely has both options in the BIOS of the GPU).  You may not even have to update the BIOS on the motherboard either so can go and check.  Once you boot in UEFI the card, possibly, should work.  I don't have all the information to guarantee it but this is where I would start.  

 

 

Is this by any chance what I was looking for? it was set to efi

IMG_20200213_165723.jpg

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42 minutes ago, Diverticz said:

Also I just put in a beeper and there are no beep codes when the r9 is inside

Im getting the feeling that the card itself may require a BIOS flash to work with that motherboard, if there even is a BIOS that is compatible.

 

As for the EFI, that is UEFI (from what Im reading on Gigabyte).  The way you install Windows has a direct effect on the choice of the BIOS (Legacy over EFI) so I would try next to set the BIOS to Legacy and see if the card will now display.  If you get NOTHING at all you will need to pull the CMOS again and reset the BIOS to get back into BIOS.  

 

Other threads very similar to yours exist and I see they too haven't been resolved :/


Workstation Laptop: Dell Precision 7540, Xeon E-2276M, 32gb DDR4, Quadro T2000 GPU, 4k display

Ryzen Rig 2: ASrock B450 Pro4 ATX, Ryzen 7 1700 @ 4.2ghz all core 1.4vCore, Sapphire R9 Fury Tri-X Nitro 4gb HBM (+100mhz core clock), 16gb (2x8) 3600mhz V-Color Skywalker (or 4x8gb DDR4 2666mhz for large tasks), Corsair HX850 PSU, Custom Loop 2x240mm + 1x120mm radiator, 128gb Patriot Scorch NVMe Win 10 boot drive, 500gb Samsung 840 EVO SSD, CoolerMaster HAF XM Case.  DSI 90-Key Mechanical Keyboard w/ Cherry Red switches, Zalman ZM-GM1 mouse, Hannspree HF207 and Acer AL2016W monitors

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37004594?

Ryzen Rig 1: ASUS B350-PRIME ATX, Ryzen 7 1700, Sapphire R9 Fury Tri-X Nitro 4gb HBM, 16gb (2x8) 3200mhz V-Color Skywalker, ANTEC Earthwatts 750w PSU, MasterLiquid Lite 120 AIO cooler in Push/Pull config as rear exhaust, 250gb Samsung 850 Evo SSD, Patriot Burst 240gb SSD, Cougar MX330-X Case.  Zalman K600S keyboard, Zalman ZM-GM1 mouse, Acer XF270HU 2560x1440 144hz IPS monitor

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/37628874?

Dwight: The Mixed Metals Loop Media Center.  Ask me about it.  Currently decommissioned to move to an mATX setup on a new MOBO once I pick one out

Schrute: ASUS M5A99FX Pro R2.0, FX 8350, 2x Gigabyte HD 7850 2gb GPUs in crossfire, 16gb (4x4) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600mhz, Sparkle/FSP 650w PSU, PCCOOLING 160w TDP air cooler, 60gb Patriot SSD Win 10 boot drive, 1tb WDBlack HDD, Rosewill Nautilus 1.0 case.  Logitech Wireless Keyboard and Mouse, Roku 55" 4k TV

Micro Form Factor Dell OptiPlex 3040: Dell 0MGK50 A02, i3-6100T, 2x4gb DDR3 1600, Team Group 120gb SSD, 500gb Seagate 7mm HDD attached storage, Windows 10 Pro, Logitech K400+, USB Wifi adapter all vesa mounted to the back of a 37" 1080p TV for form factor in the kitchen

Linux Box: Toshiba Laptop, i7 620M, NVS graphics, 2gb ram tinker toy at the moment.  Running Manjaro at the moment

APU Laptop: I need to clean this things TIM up so it can boot into Windows 7 for more than 5 minute before overheating at idle, it has things, I just haven't been on it in 2 years or so

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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 2/13/2020 at 5:55 PM, Tristerin said:

Im getting the feeling that the card itself may require a BIOS flash to work with that motherboard, if there even is a BIOS that is compatible.

 

As for the EFI, that is UEFI (from what Im reading on Gigabyte).  The way you install Windows has a direct effect on the choice of the BIOS (Legacy over EFI) so I would try next to set the BIOS to Legacy and see if the card will now display.  If you get NOTHING at all you will need to pull the CMOS again and reset the BIOS to get back into BIOS.  

 

Other threads very similar to yours exist and I see they too haven't been resolved :/

Thanks for the info <3, 
I ended up giving up on this, the r7 260x will do, I hope. I will use the gpu in a different build.

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