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Posted · Original PosterOP

I want to build a new low-mid tier PC. 

I've figured everything out except which graphic card should I buy.

I was thinking about the Rtx 2060 or the 5600xt at first, but I'm pretty scared as to how well these cards will perform with next gen AAA titles. I don't want to end up with having to play the next gen titles with 720p resolution and minimum settings(like I currently have to do with all current gen titles).

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4 hours ago, Techea said:

price wise they are almost the same, but rtx 2060 performs way better than 5600xt.

I wouldn’t say it performs much better, there is small difference between them. 

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4 hours ago, HopeOfTheUniverse said:

I want to build a new low-mid tier PC. 

I've figured everything out except which graphic card should I buy.

I was thinking about the Rtx 2060 or the 5600xt at first, but I'm pretty scared as to how well these cards will perform with next gen AAA titles. I don't want to end up with having to play the next gen titles with 720p resolution and minimum settings(like I currently have to do with all current gen titles).

With any of this cards it’ll take really quite some time before you’ll have to drop res to 720p in order to play newer games. I’m still using gtx970 which is quite weak now but still able to play games at 1080p


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18 hours ago, Whiro said:

I wouldn’t say it performs much better, there is small difference between them. 

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Thanks! I'm thinking about sticking until August to wait for the 3060(and the AMD counterpart), at best, it will give me a much better card at the same price, at worst, it'll lead to current cards getting a decent price reduction.

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I think it's a very bad time to buy a gpu. PS5 is rumored to use an RX 5700 XT level gpu with hardware RT and the big XBox Series X is supposed to be more powerful than that. Look at the king of the hill gpu from February 2013, the GTX 680, and how badly it aged into the new console gen that started in November 2013. Here are some games from late 2014 and early to mid 2015 that obliterated the GTX 680, which was the RTX 2080 equivalent of February 2013.

 

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And this was going into a new generation of consoles where Microsoft cheaped out on gpu because they were building XBox One as a media center and not a gaming console, and when Sony cheaped out because they nearly went bankrupt with the cost of producing PS3s. Now you're talking new consoles that are rumored to have very serious gpu horsepower. I don't expect that anything currently available is going to age all that greatly tbh. You won't be playing 720p minimum settings with a 2060 or 5600 XT, but you'll possibly be below the console hardware baseline playing lazy PC ports from console. Of course that rumor about the PS5's gpu could be BS (though Digital Foundry seems to find it credible), so no way to really know until official specs are revealed.


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32 minutes ago, HopeOfTheUniverse said:

Thanks! I'm thinking about sticking until August to wait for the 3060(and the AMD counterpart), at best, it will give me a much better card at the same price, at worst, it'll lead to current cards getting a decent price reduction.

I doubt you'll get a 3060 by August since Nvidia usually likes to release their higher end stuff first, but that's just conjecture (don't even really know if we'll have Ampere gaming gpus at this point tbh). However, if 3070 releases and is something special for say $500, you'll probably have a couple of weeks window right after release where you might snipe a 2070 Super with a nice discount. And AMD would surely have to drop price on the 5700 XT.


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Mid-range GPUs don't tend age particulary well anyways to begin with...go play Red Dead Redemption 2 with an RTX 2060 right now and quickly you'll realize that even at 1080p you need to significantly cut down on many settings just to keep a constant 60FPS while traveling...and it's a ''last generation'' game at this point, one which i would consider the highest quality one as well...but still. (and i'm not saying it can't play it extremely well with the right settings and it's quite enjoyeable i'm sure, and better than a PS4 Pro...i hope you get my point.)

 

I would recommend spending a bit more on a nice 5700XT instead...which is still mid range but packs a decent punch for 1080p and should last a little while longer.


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9 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

mid range GPU never age particulary well anyways to begin with...go play Red Dead Redemption 2 with an RTX 2060 right now and quickly you'll realize that even at 1080p you need to significantly cut down on many settings just to keep a constant 60FPS while traveling...and it's a ''last generation'' game at this point, one which i would consider the highest quality one as well...but still.

 

I would recommend spending a bit more on a nice 5700X instead...which is still mid range but pack a decent punch for 1080p and should last a little while longer.

Problem is, 5700 XT really is a midrange gpu in everything but price. It's only a 251mm^2 die, about 8% bigger than the RX 480 die. And RX 480 8GB was a $229 MSRP card. RX 5700 series is just Polaris replacements. This price inflation of gpus since Turing's launch is pretty demoralizing as someone who used to love PC gaming and someone who probably will still pay the price to play Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2 in their full glory once they launch. 


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2 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Problem is, 5700 XT really is a midrange gpu in everything but price. It's only a 251mm^2 die, about 8% bigger than the RX 480 die. And RX 480 8GB was a $229 MSRP card. This price inflation of gpus since Turing's launch is pretty demoralizing as someone who used to love PC gaming and someone who probably will still pay the price to play Cyberpunk 2077 and Dying Light 2 in their full glory. 

I think my GTX 1080ti will play those titles fine once more...i might be able to hold on for the 3080ti in case they launch only the 3070 and 3080 first...

i want that big hot fast GPU!


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On 2/9/2020 at 4:22 AM, HopeOfTheUniverse said:

I want to build a new low-mid tier PC. 

I've figured everything out except which graphic card should I buy.

I was thinking about the Rtx 2060 or the 5600xt at first, but I'm pretty scared as to how well these cards will perform with next gen AAA titles. I don't want to end up with having to play the next gen titles with 720p resolution and minimum settings(like I currently have to do with all current gen titles).

There is no way to know for sure, but I'm going to differ in opinion a bit here...

 

For 1080p/60 fps, I think any of the current cards like Nvidia 2060 or better will do fine at in next gen, when the PS5 and Xbox Series X come out. Also 10 series 1070 or above will do fine at 1080p/60 fps at least. Also the AMD cards 5600XT and above will be fine. These are the cards that for current games can do 1440p /60 fps or better.

 

Anything slower, like the previous Nvidia 10 series GTX 1060 or below, or the GTX 1660 series or below, or the AMD RX580 or below will start to struggle perhaps. These cards can do 1080p/60 fps fine in current titles, but might start to struggle and will have to lower settings when games get more demanding "next gen", when games start being developed for the new consoles. 

 

So I think with Nvidia RTX 2060 or 5600XT you will be fine for 1080p/60 fps for the forseeable future.

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2 hours ago, maartendc said:

There is no way to know for sure, but I'm going to differ in opinion a bit here...

 

For 1080p/60 fps, I think any of the current cards like Nvidia 2060 or better will do fine at in next gen, when the PS5 and Xbox Series X come out. Also 10 series 1070 or above will do fine at 1080p/60 fps at least. Also the AMD cards 5600XT and above will be fine. These are the cards that for current games can do 1440p /60 fps or better.

 

Anything slower, like the previous Nvidia 10 series GTX 1060 or below, or the GTX 1660 series or below, or the AMD RX580 or below will start to struggle perhaps. These cards can do 1080p/60 fps fine in current titles, but might start to struggle and will have to lower settings when games get more demanding "next gen", when games start being developed for the new consoles. 

 

So I think with Nvidia RTX 2060 or 5600XT you will be fine for 1080p/60 fps for the forseeable future.

Gotta really disagree. 2060 isn't enough for 60 fps at 1080p ultra in techpowerup's testing of Control (DX12 with RTX and DLSS turned off), and just squeaks by that 60 fps barrier in AC Odyssey. And you don't want to be at 60 fps, since if you're averaging that it means you're still going to be dropping below it a lot. There is no precedent for straight midrange cards holding up long into a new console generation. And honestly, 5700 XT is really the AMD midrange card but with a big price bump. Maybe if the consoles start targetting 1800p60 or 1440p60 you'd have a chance of keeping relevant with 1080p60 with a gpu as low end as 2060 or 5600 XT, and I hope that's the case since the consoles will have 8C/16T Ryzen 2. But if AAA games target 2160p30 or 1800p30 on them I think you're going to see these cards start failing to keep up really fast.

 

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I now gauge the longevity of GPUs by RDR 2.   If a GPU can't run it at 60fps with desant settings at 1080p it is done.

 

Using that measure even my 2080 ti is done for 4k gaming since it is in the 50s using Hardware Unboxed settings.

That means I have to upgrade.

 

Thank you Rockstar Games for giving me an excuse to upgrade my GPUs hopefully this year. 


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41 minutes ago, jones177 said:

I now gauge the longevity of GPUs by RDR 2.   If a GPU can't run it at 60fps with desant settings at 1080p it is done.

 

Using that measure even my 2080 ti is done for 4k gaming since it is in the 50s using Hardware Unboxed settings.

That means I have to upgrade.

 

Thank you Rockstar Games for giving me an excuse to upgrade my GPUs hopefully this year. 

Is that recent performance or near launch? I know RDR2 had a huge AMD preference near launch but supposedly a couple of months later it got an update to run similarly on Nvidia cards of the same performance tier.


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1 hour ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Gotta really disagree. 2060 isn't enough for 60 fps at 1080p ultra in techpowerup's testing of Control (DX12 with RTX and DLSS turned off), and just squeaks by that 60 fps barrier in AC Odyssey. And you don't want to be at 60 fps, since if you're averaging that it means you're still going to be dropping below it a lot. There is no precedent for straight midrange cards holding up long into a new console generation. And honestly, 5700 XT is really the AMD midrange card but with a big price bump. Maybe if the consoles start targetting 1800p60 or 1440p60 you'd have a chance of keeping relevant with 1080p60 with a gpu as low end as 2060 or 5600 XT, and I hope that's the case since the consoles will have 8C/16T Ryzen 2. But if AAA games target 2160p30 or 1800p30 on them I think you're going to see these cards start failing to keep up really fast.

 

I mean for all cards you can find games where either Nvidia or AMD perform poorly, or certain cards do. Or games that were poorly optimized...

 

But by and large, the RTX 2060 is a solid 1440p card this generation, averaging 73 fps at 1440p ultra across 17 current games, and averaging 101 fps at 1080p ultra.

 

These benchmarks were published January 2019, so the games tested were representative of that time. I don't doubt some recent games like RDR2 are already pushing the limits of these cards. But I think those games are so far removed from their current gen console versions, they might as well be "next gen" games. RDR2 on PC is probably similar to what most "next gen" console games will be like in terms of how demanding it is on PC hardware now.

 

Again, there is no way to know for sure. And I think it is a bad time to buy a video card right now if you ask me. I would wait for Nvidia 3000 series or AMD's next Navi cards. But if you ask me if a 2060 will be enough for 1080p/60 for the next 2-3 years, I say yes.

 

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3 hours ago, maartendc said:

I mean for all cards you can find games where either Nvidia or AMD perform poorly, or certain cards do. Or games that were poorly optimized...

 

But by and large, the RTX 2060 is a solid 1440p card this generation, averaging 73 fps at 1440p ultra across 17 current games, and averaging 101 fps at 1080p ultra.

 

These benchmarks were published January 2019, so the games tested were representative of that time. I don't doubt some recent games like RDR2 are already pushing the limits of these cards. But I think those games are so far removed from their current gen console versions, they might as well be "next gen" games. RDR2 on PC is probably similar to what most "next gen" console games will be like in terms of how demanding it is on PC hardware now.

 

Again, there is no way to know for sure. And I think it is a bad time to buy a video card right now if you ask me. I would wait for Nvidia 3000 series or AMD's next Navi cards. But if you ask me if a 2060 will be enough for 1080p/60 for the next 2-3 years, I say yes.

Problem is those 17 game averages are dominated by old games. I mean yeah, an RTX 2060 dominates games a couple of years old, no question. But the newer stuff that like Control, like RDR2? You see some pretty serious cracks in the 2060's armor, and I think those are going to be the rule, not the exception, as soon as we're into the next gen. And Ubisoft having terrible optimization in Assassins Creed and Ghost Recon is already the rule. If you were getting a legit 70 series card in the $300 to $350 price range like you did in the days of the GTX 970 then maybe you'd get saved by running a scrub resolution going into a new console gen, but even running 1080p I don't think is going to be enough to make the current gen of gpus in that price range look good for very long. I have extreme doubts for everything holiday 2021 and beyond when games aren't going to be designed as cross-gen and are instead going to be designed explicitly for the PS5/SeriesX baseline.


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15 hours ago, ConfusedNewby said:

Just to chime in, I have a Gtx 960 card(since 2016) and am think of upgrading. Advice?

My advice: wait another couple of months until Nvidia release their 3000 series cards, and AMD release the Radeon 5900XT or whatever it will be called. I wouldn't buy the current cards anymore, they are getting long in the tooth.

 

 

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13 hours ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Problem is those 17 game averages are dominated by old games. I mean yeah, an RTX 2060 dominates games a couple of years old, no question. But the newer stuff that like Control, like RDR2? You see some pretty serious cracks in the 2060's armor, and I think those are going to be the rule, not the exception, as soon as we're into the next gen. And Ubisoft having terrible optimization in Assassins Creed and Ghost Recon is already the rule. If you were getting a legit 70 series card in the $300 to $350 price range like you did in the days of the GTX 970 then maybe you'd get saved by running a scrub resolution going into a new console gen, but even running 1080p I don't think is going to be enough to make the current gen of gpus in that price range look good for very long. I have extreme doubts for everything holiday 2021 and beyond when games aren't going to be designed as cross-gen and are instead going to be designed explicitly for the PS5/SeriesX baseline.

You are correct, those are what are considered "older" games at this point.

 

The RTX 2060 gets 72 fps average, 60 fps min in RDR2 on high settings: https://www.techspot.com/review/1939-red-dead-redemption-2-benchmarks/; Not exactly great, but not horrible either. But if you assume that RDR2 on PC is indicative of performance demands of next gen games, it's indicative that you will get 60 fps at 1080p with the RTX 2060 and above. I think it is indicative, Rockstar games on PC have always been pushing the PC hardware to it's limits as soon as they come out.

 

That being said, you don't have much room to spare with an RTX 2060, and towards the middle / end of the PS5 / Xbox Series X console generation, you will start to struggle. That is why I said you should be fine for the next 2-3 years, but not 3-5 years. This is why I wouldn't recommend buying the current gen of GPU's.

 

I also agree with you, the cards you buy nowadays for $350 are more like lower mid-range cards, rather than lower high-end cards we used to get with the like of the GTX 970.

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On 2/10/2020 at 9:51 AM, SteveGrabowski0 said:

Is that recent performance or near launch? I know RDR2 had a huge AMD preference near launch but supposedly a couple of months later it got an update to run similarly on Nvidia cards of the same performance tier.

This week.

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At 1440p the frame rate is really good.

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