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Posted · Original PosterOP

someone on 

says 'intel nuc good'

 

if so, are there any intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a similiar laptop?

if so whats link to an intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a good similiar laptop?

or better than one of the best laptops out there that has a similiar cost?

 

are there any popular + widespread cases like mac mini that is under these dimensions?

 

17in, 430mm
10, 254mm
9, 228mm

 

if neither of these, going laptop route and not dealing with the mini pc sff mess that nobody on this web anything about

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They're not really the same thing. If you're getting a laptop, I assume you're getting it because it's portable?

A NUC isn't really portable in the same way.


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A nuc is a laptop without a monitor and batteries, that's it.

The CPU, memory and drives are laptop parts.

Cater to those who needs a smallest possible pc.

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14 hours ago, laptopsbetterthanbuilding said:

 

why waste? link to evidence of why?

 

1080p is just enougn to look on Displays below 27". For the ususal stuff like Gaming or "normal" use.


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2 hours ago, laptopsbetterthanbuilding said:

 

use case is the requirements in op

going for lowest price from the list of recommendations that fits the requrieemnts

its just a regular computer

 

intel nuc, are there any intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a similiar laptop?

if so whats link of an intel nuc that fits all the requirements above?

if there is i may look into the intel nuc mess again

 

What do you mean use case is in the OP? Your OP says nowhere in it what you specifically need the computer for or what you're are going to be doing with it. Still no budget or country either. You're requirements are just weird too, like what? None of the information you have given in the OP is anywhere remotely pertinent to how we recommend a laptop to you, this whole "has analysis, tests, reviews showing that it's the best or the cheapest"? Come on, really? As for you question about the Nucs. Intel Nucs are pretty much build your own, you pick the one you want whether it's an i3, i5, or i7 then you buy the amount of memory you want and the SSD or HDD you want to put into it. You can buy pre-builts but they are generally more expensive than buying the bare bones kit and putting the ram and storage in yourself. 

 

I and most people on here specifically need to know these things to recommend computers. No "it's in the OP" or "my requirements are all that is needed" stuff as what you have in your OP and requirements is just unhelpful.  Answer these questions and we can help you find the best laptop, mini pc, or desktop computer for you.

 

1. What are you going to be using the computer for? (Ex. I will use it for gaming, I will use it for a basic things like web-browsing and email, I will be using it for video editing or 3D modeling, etc)

 

2. Do you have any special requirements in terms of case size, memory, or other components? (None of that analysis, tests, and reviews from tech sites stuff either)

 

3. What is your budget? (I shouldn't have to explain this one, but I will. How much can you or do you want spend on this new computer)

 

4.What country do you live in? (So we can see what product pricing and availability is in your area)


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17 hours ago, laptopsbetterthanbuilding said:

 

what screen size is that laptop?

 

dont think laptop have 27' so that's not helpful info

17inch screen.

 

imo no point getting higher than 1080p on a laptop even 17 inch. id probably have prefered 1080p tbh when i did have it.


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19 hours ago, _Syn_ said:

For a laptop it doesn't matter, 1080p is even plenty for it since the screen is so small, I have a 27Inch 1080p Panel and text is pretty clear.

You must have bad sight. Text on 24" 1080 is still horrible. 


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19 hours ago, Praesi said:

Anything below 27" is a waste to pay the 1440p price.

I have one monitor that is 24" 1440p IPS and can appreciate PPI there. 


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On 2/8/2020 at 8:10 PM, laptopsbetterthanbuilding said:

 

use case is the requirements in op

going for lowest price from the list of recommendations that fits the requrieemnts

its just a regular computer

 

intel nuc, are there any intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a similiar laptop?

if so whats link of an intel nuc that fits all the requirements above?

if there is i may look into the intel nuc mess again

 

You actually don’t say what you want it for. And you don’t say budget. There’s not point recommending a £3000 Razer Studio if you only need it for taking notes same with there’s no point saying to get a MacBook Air if you want to game or do workstation stuff. 

A decent laptop will cost more than a more powerful desktop. You can’t touch a solid 16GB, portable laptop with an SSD for under £700 whereas you could build an itx PC that outdoes it including monitor and add ins like mouse + keyboard for the same price. I know because I have a MacBook that cost over 2 grand and I have a desktop PC that with monitor, mouse, keyboard, headphones etc cost less than half the amount, guess which is more powerful? The desktop by a country mile. You’re paying a lot for portability and in the MacBooks case the OS. 
 

 

Overall you’re sounding very stuck up and clueless about what you’re talking about. Maybe telling people what you’re intending to do with the PC would be useful because needed 16-32GB means nothing if the rest of the machine is imbalanced for your workload. 


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Posted · Original PosterOP

we're looking for good laptops on 

 

one decent answer can be found on https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-laptop-under-500/#if-you-need-windows-asus-vivobook-flip-14

 

ASUS VivoBook Flip 14 TP412FA
 

would prefer a good laptop that came in 16ram or upgradable to 32, but this is an ok start

 

is anyone here able to build a complete mini pc that is better or less cost computer than this laptop ASUS VivoBook Flip 14 TP412FA

 

- cost less than ASUS VivoBook Flip 14 TP412FA with better specs 

- or is better than ASUS VivoBook Flip 14 TP412FA and cost about the same

 

if nobody is able to build a mini pc that cost less or is better than we know that laptop is definltey the way to go

dimensions of mini pc has to be under this:

 

17in, 430mm
10, 254mm
9, 228mm

 

or if you're able to find a complete mini pc that cost less or is better at same price

 

explain or have links for how what you made is actually better or cost less for the complete mini pc 

 

ill close out this topic within a week

 

 

 

 

 

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At that price just go used.


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On 2/8/2020 at 1:09 PM, minibois said:

a screen that is (for example) 22" 1080p will looks the same as a 43" 3840x2160

 

15.6" 1920x1080 laptop, but I have set Chrome to display websites at 75%

kind of simulate 170-180 PPI and for most websites that is still readable to me

 

comparing MacOS would be unfair, because that handles high resolution displays much better than Windows.

 

so i've found that at 17.3' display size

and with res 1600 x 900

that chrome is readable at 80% zoom for most sites

 

so what ppi would this combination be? am no good at math

 

for you, you said 170-180 PPI is good for you, and does that translate to the other sizes you put on chart graph above? it seems like it since the ppi ranges from '160-190'

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On 2/8/2020 at 1:34 PM, dizmo said:

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is anyone able to build a complete intel nuc?

 

if not we're closing out this intel nuc topic and ignoring 'intel nuc' forever

 

if so, are there any intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a similiar laptop?

if so whats link to an intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a good similiar laptop?

or better than one of the best laptops out there that has a similiar cost?

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, laptopsbetterthanbuilding said:

is anyone able to build a complete intel nuc?

 

if not we're closing out this intel nuc topic and ignoring 'intel nuc' forever

 

if so, are there any intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a similiar laptop?

if so whats link to an intel nuc that is signficiantly less cost than a good similiar laptop?

or better than one of the best laptops out there that has a similiar cost?

You still haven't really said what you're using it for. A NUC is not the same thing as a laptop, as you're not going to have an integrated unit; you'll still need to have a mouse, keyboard, monitor, power cables for them, etc. Plus the NUC doesn't have a GPU so you're stuck comparing it to something like an ultrabook.


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4 hours ago, laptopsbetterthanbuilding said:

 

since a few ppl are vouching for intel nuc then

 

are you able to build a mini pc using 'intel nuc' that is 

1. less cost

2. or better at same price 

 

than ASUS VivoBook Flip 14 TP412FA

 

if not this 'intel nuc' thing is completely done with

 

I find it odd you quoted me, I didn't recommend the 'Intel nuc' and I haven't been an active participant in this thread since yesterday. I have also found that trying to change peoples opinion about hardware is fruitless, you have clearly formed an opinion / world view, and anything that contradicts that will automatically be shot down, it is in our nature.

 

However! since you asked, no, I prefer AMD over Intel. AMD is cheaper and preforms just as good.

 

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This, is the benchmark I will be using for comparison, with an MSRP of 849.99. Good specs for a laptop, they make my crotch cooker look like a museum piece.

 

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19 hours ago, The Torrent said:

no point getting higher than 1080p on a laptop even 17 inch

 

so it seems 1080p on 17' was too small for you

 

'alienware 17r5 1440p, with 125% scaling it was ok but 100% was just to small'

 

what ppi was this? 

does this match the ppi data that someone said here?

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7 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

504.76

 

seems like ur saying for under this dimension overall the parts may cost more

 

this isnt a complete mini pc build

 

there's no lcd that the laptop has mouse/keyboard etc

 

currently there are no custom made mini pc or premade mini pcs that are better than laptops

so this is a clsoed topic

 

but we'll give it about ~a week's time to fully close it competely and be done with this entirely and ignore anyone in the next 50+ years that says that mini pcs are better than laptops lol

 

 

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this is the last & final check and going laptop all the way for the next 90+ years after this point

 

at ~1,099, ppl says is good

https://thewirecutter.com/reviews/the-best-budget-gaming-laptop-so-far/

 

am looking for good laptops here:

and this fits the 16ram requirement

 

16ram seems to be the max 

would perfer upgradable to 32ram

 

or if it came in 32ram and cost less in total

 

ppi seems to be 140

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Acer-Predator-Helios-300-PH315-52-78VL.433287.0.html

 

the ppi number should be higher according to this 

 

this post is still ongoing on what's the good ppi number but it seems close to set so far in the discussion

 

 

 

is anyone here able to build a complete mini pc that is better or less cost computer than this laptop  Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52-78VL

 

- cost less than  Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52-78VL with better specs 

- or is better than  Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52-78VL and cost about the same

 

if nobody is able to build a mini pc that cost less or is better than we know that laptop is definltey the way to go

 

dimensions of mini pc has to be under this:

 

17in, 430mm
10, 254mm
9, 228mm

 

or if you're able to find a premade complete mini pc that cost less or is better at same price

 

explain or have links for how what you made is actually better or cost less for the complete mini pc 

 

ill close out this topic within around 3-4 days to a week

and ill be completey and entirely done with the entire computer topic soon enough

 

the display of your complete mini pc build should be similar or better than what is in this laptop  Acer Predator Helios 300 PH315-52-78VL

 

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I work on repairing laptops and desktops regularly. Laptops sacrifice ease of repair, upgrading, and cooling for that compact form. They're in different categories, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

 

This "challenge" is pretty pointless.


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Challenge accepted! Well, it would be if I wasn't a broke student.

I'm sure someone else can do this, though.


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Do not spam the forums with the same posts or linking to your other posts.

Posts trying to get people to make hypothetical builds just so you can try and prove a point and rant about laptops and mini-PCs is considered pointless and trolling.

 

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currently there are no custom made mini pc or premade mini pcs that are better than laptops

so this is a clsoed topic

 

but we'll give it about ~a week's time to fully close it competely and be done with this entirely and ignore anyone in the next 50+ years that says that mini pcs are better than laptops lol

It's clear you are not here to have a constructive conversation. As you said this is a closed topic.


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