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AMD Threadripper 3990X 64-Core beats dual Xeon Platinum 8280 in benchmark leak

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https://hothardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-3990x-crushing-xeon-platinum-8280-cpus

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Simple math tells us the Threadripper 3990X has the advantage in core and thread counts, at +8 and +16, respectively. So to post a higher SANDRA score is not surprising. After all, the Threadripper 3990X is based on AMD's latest generation 7-nanometer Zen 2 CPU architecture. But here's the thing, each Xeon Platinum 8280 CPU costs around $10,000.
 
In other words, the Threadripper 3990X is outperforming $20,000 worth of Xeon silicon in this particular benchmark.

 

The beating continues. This is a big deal because of the implications in the server space, where margins are higher and orders are often in bulk -- meaning a massive difference in profit.

 

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22233113

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For big companies, migration to AMD is a risky move. Old applications work well on Intel and Intel has been reliable for years. Big corps love boring tech. Now that Intel offering sucks, they do notice but they are not jumping all the the same time. Will the old applications work well on the new AMD tech? What if there is an incompatibility/HW bug on AMD platform which makes critical applications fail?

It takes years for the big companies to get interested in such a big of a platform switch. For now, they've been sticking with Intel and observing how the situation develops. If Intel keeps screwing up, which they do, eventually the big migration will happen.

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What does everyone think about this? Is it enough of a price difference to make enterprise purchasers look seriously at AMD yet?

   

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Don't compare with TR, compare with Epyc. Otherwise their feature sets and intended customers do not match with Xeon

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7 minutes ago, yaboistar said:

to the surprise of literally nobody, intel's stagnation in development as well as comfortability and complacency with their long term market share has once again left them ill equipped to deal with radical development from their rival

See that's the thing.  What AMD has done isn't so much radical, but inevitable.  What makes it seem radical is that Intel (the biggest player in the game) failed to bring forward the inevitable.   And that's why everyone is so comfortable calling them out -- that complacency you mentioned.  

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15 minutes ago, Qub3d said:

Is it enough of a price difference to make enterprise purchasers look seriously at AMD yet?

they have been looking at AMD for the last 2 years............ when looking at EPYC. 

 

also, EPYC 64 core beat the xeon platinum, so i dont see how this is at all suprising. 

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So a $4K CPU is beating a $20K combination, that's nice. :)  I do wish innovation from both sides was a bit faster though, I agree with @yaboistar and @nick name about Intel stagnating too much, they should have improved things faster, etc.

 

For example, my parents got a 286-10 in January 1989 (CPU was probably $280, but was part of a package deal), then a 486DX4-120 in October 1995 for $102.  I think the 486 was about 80 TIMES faster than the 286 or something like that, after only 6 years 9 months, for a little more than a third of the price.  I bought a 4790K in January 2015 for $330, and am expecting that same level of improvement at MINIMUM by October 2021 if i buy another CPU then (or Black Friday 2021).

 

 

I'm also wondering how long it is until a new-generation's cheap low-end CPU (like a Celeron or Athlon) absolutely demolishes a previous generation multi-socket flagship Xeon?  (like single Celeron-Y at base clock, no turbo, vs an entire rack full of Xeon E7s or Platinums)

For example, using GPU analogy, something like a new GT x10 or iGPU being faster at 8K max settings in the latest AAA title, than an older x80 Ti / Titan is at 640x480, lowest settings in a casual game. :P 

 

Also I'd like to see more innovation per generation, at least such that there's no overap in performance between generations.  (New generation's Celeron is faster than old generation's Xeon Platinum.)  And within the same generation, no performance overlap between various product segments / brandings:  For example the slowest i7-Y would be faster than the fastest i5-K.

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6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Don't compare with TR, compare with Epyc. Otherwise their feature sets and intended customers do not match with Xeon

As the server parts will be better binned and higher performing parts, I'd guess that the performance advantage will be even greater.

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Just now, Curious Pineapple said:

As the server parts will be better binned and higher performing parts, I'd guess that the performance advantage will be even greater.

not performance, but price. He's clearly implying that a a $4k CPU beats two $10k CPU which is correct but not comparable.

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

not performance, but price. He's clearly implying that a a $4k CPU beats two $10k CPU which is correct but not comparable.

AMD can charge 20k per CPU, still be better performing and negate the need for a second CPU socket making the system design easier and cheaper. They won't though, they can already make money charging 4k, so keeping the price low enough to tempt OEM's to make the switch won't be a problem for them.

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4 minutes ago, Curious Pineapple said:

AMD can charge 20k per CPU, still be better performing and negate the need for a second CPU socket making the system design easier and cheaper. They won't though, they can already make money charging 4k, so keeping the price low enough to tempt OEM's to make the switch won't be a problem for them.

that's my problem, the $4K figure is incorrect because you'll need a higher core count Epyc to do the same while offering features like REG DIMM support.

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10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that's my problem, the $4K figure is incorrect because you'll need a higher core count Epyc to do the same while offering features like REG DIMM support.

That reminds me of another thing I'd like to see ... REG DIMM support on consumer platforms.  We've had it for how long now on servers?  I would have thought it would have trickled down to us mere mortals by now.  I could use it in my systems...

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That's my LAPTOP btw, with 4x 16GB DDR4-2133, and an i7-6700K.  (My desktop, being older, is maxed out at 32GB unbuffered non-ECC RAM, using 4x 8GB DDR3-1600.)  I'd like support for a MINIMUM of 1 or 2 TB of RAM in my next build, around 2021 or 2022.  (My previous build from 2008 only had 4 GB, limited to 3 GB by a 32-bit OS.  That system's mobo died in 2012, so from then to 2015 I used my dad's laptop which had 2 GB RAM.)

 

One thing I had been hoping for, but am slowly resigning myself to it not happening, was that the JEDEC spec for DDR5 to REQUIRE *ALL* RAM to be ECC, and require all chipsets/boards to support registered & LR-DIMMs, even the H510s, A720s, etc.

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5 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

That reminds me of another thing I'd like to see ... REG DIMM support on consumer platforms.  We've had it for how long now on servers?  I would have thought it would have trickled down to us mere mortals by now.  I could use it in my systems...

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That's my LAPTOP btw.  (My desktop, being older, is maxed out at 32GB unbuffered non-ECC RAM.)

I’m sorry, but if you don’t mind me asking, what in the actual buggery are you doing that uses so much memory?

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8 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

I’m sorry, but if you don’t mind me asking, what in the actual buggery are you doing that uses so much memory?

oh, running too many browser tabs, VMs, and other things.  there's actually quite a bit I'm not able to do simultaneously that I'd like to, because of not having enough RAM.  Also I'd like to be able to edit full-length videos, like uncompressed/RAW 4K entire church services, entirely in RAM.  For example, 2 hours of 4K 60fps video, at 24 bits/pixel (3 bits/RGB color) would take about 179.16 GB (or about 167 GiB) (edit; i miscalculated, see my reply below for corrected figures) of space, uncompressed.

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2 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

Also I'd like to be able to edit full-length videos, like uncompressed/RAW 4K entire church services, entirely in RAM.)

I can’t fathom how much RAM that would require

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17 minutes ago, GrockleTD said:

I can’t fathom how much RAM that would require

LOL I was just editing my previous post. but I'll break down the math a bit:

4K = 3840x2160 pixels

* 3 (24 bits/pixel)

* 60 (frames/second)

* 60 (seconds in a minute)

* 60 (minutes in an hour)

* 2 (hours)

I incorrectly stated 179 GB above, but forgot an extra *60, so actually it would be...

10,749,542,400,000 bytes, or 10.75 TB, or 9.8 TiB.  (I'm still not 100% sure if I'm calculating it right though.)

 

Also, how much longer until we have enough storage capacity and speed, and internet bandwidth, at reasonable commodity prices to be able to be doing whatever is the then-standard moderately high-end resolution for video (for example, today I'd consider it to be 4K cause cameras under $300-500 can shoot it now), entirely uncompressed? :) 

And I didn't even factor in high dynamic range.  (I wonder how much DR it'd take to be able to take a shot like the one in the spoiler, like during a partial (or partial phase of total) solar eclipse, but as a SINGLE exposure WITHOUT image stacking, as if it was a still frame grab from a video...)

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1 hour ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

That reminds me of another thing I'd like to see ... REG DIMM support on consumer platforms.  We've had it for how long now on servers?  I would have thought it would have trickled down to us mere mortals by now.  I could use it in my systems...

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That's my LAPTOP btw, with 4x 16GB DDR4-2133, and an i7-6700K.  (My desktop, being older, is maxed out at 32GB unbuffered non-ECC RAM, using 4x 8GB DDR3-1600.)  I'd like support for a MINIMUM of 1 or 2 TB of RAM in my next build, around 2021 or 2022.  (My previous build from 2008 only had 4 GB, limited to 3 GB by a 32-bit OS.  That system's mobo died in 2012, so from then to 2015 I used my dad's laptop which had 2 GB RAM.)

 

One thing I had been hoping for, but am slowly resigning myself to it not happening, was that the JEDEC spec for DDR5 to REQUIRE *ALL* RAM to be ECC, and require all chipsets/boards to support registered & LR-DIMMs, even the H510s, A720s, etc.

At least now they let you run ECC mode on Ryzen so you can build a NAS with cheap CPU and board, but nah I think registered memory will still be servers only because they've got to make the money.

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46 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

(I wonder how much DR it'd take to be able to take a shot like the one in the spoiler, like during a partial (or partial phase of total) solar eclipse, but as a SINGLE exposure WITHOUT image stacking, as if it was a still frame grab from a video...)

That's a composite of two different types of imaging. The moon looks like "normal" RGB but the sun is a narrowband tuned for a particular wavelength of interest, probably Hydrogen-alpha, then false coloured. You simply couldn't take that particular shot in one go regardless of dynamic range. Well, unless you have multiple sensor types, but that kinda gets around it also.

 

Funnily enough the other night I had a go at, and failed, at getting a good shot of Earthshine illuminated crescent moon. That's where more dynamic range would really help.

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Wow who would have been able to tell?

I could have taken an eypc 64 core with the highest clock and only use 4 memory channels, that should give me the expected performance.

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On 2/4/2020 at 12:24 PM, Qub3d said:

https://hothardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-3990x-crushing-xeon-platinum-8280-cpus

 

The beating continues. This is a big deal because of the implications in the server space, where margins are higher and orders are often in bulk -- meaning a massive difference in profit.

 

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What does everyone think about this? Is it enough of a price difference to make enterprise purchasers look seriously at AMD yet?

   

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On 2/4/2020 at 6:38 PM, Jurrunio said:

Don't compare with TR, compare with Epyc. Otherwise their feature sets and intended customers do not match with Xeon

At the same time if you want this kind of power on Intel's side the closest you can get is a dual 8280 system - even if you're building a workstation and not a server.

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On 2/5/2020 at 7:03 AM, PianoPlayer88Key said:

That reminds me of another thing I'd like to see ... REG DIMM support on consumer platforms.  We've had it for how long now on servers? 

You don't want it, that would end memory OC pretty much outright. You can get plenty enough ram on desktop and HEDT product lines without RDIMMs and it's all down sides if you do use RDIMM for that use case.

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2 hours ago, leadeater said:

You don't want it, that would end memory OC pretty much outright. You can get plenty enough ram on desktop and HEDT product lines without RDIMMs and it's all down sides if you do use RDIMM for that use case.

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OC'ing my memory wouldn't help me if I'm running out of RAM.  That's on my laptop, which has had 64GB RAM since May 2019.  I started with 1x 8GB RAM when I got it in December 2015, then added 32GB (bringing it to 40GB) in October 2016, literally just a week before the prices started skyrocketing.  (I paid $127 for that 32GB, then a week later it was like $180.)

 

My current desktop only has 32GB RAM and is maxed out there, and needless to say it's no longer my daily driver.  The desktop was built in January 2015.  I started with 16GB RAM in it, then quickly realized it wasn't enough so upgraded to 32GB in less than a month.

 

This was after having been using my dad's laptop (which he'd gotten in August 2008) for a few years, which had 2GB of DDR2-667 RAM.

 

My own first desktop was built in February 2008, originally with 2GB DDR2-800 RAM.  I upgraded to 4GB in April 2009, but the 32-bit OS limited me to 3GB.  That desktop's motherboard died around March 2012, forcing me to use my dad's laptop for a few years cause I didn't have the $ to upgrade.

 

Our system before that, bought in February 2002, had 256MB RAM.  The system from March 1999 had 64MB RAM, the one from around 1995 had 4MB RAM (or it could have been 8 or something, idk for sure), and our first system from January 1989 I thought had 1MB RAM, but the invoice only says 640K.

 

 

I basically want my next system (tentatively planned for Black Friday 2021, depending on deals and the launch timing of socket AM5, DDR5, PCIe 5.0, USB4, etc) to have at minimum the same factor jump in supported RAM as the previous couple major upgrades.  In a nutshell, I'd like support for at least 1 or 2, or even 4 TB of RAM in my next build.  I might only install 256GB at first, depending on RAM prices, but would want to be able to upgrade later.

 

For example...going from 256MB (2002) to 4GB (2009) was a 16x increase.  There was a 1/2x drop to 2GB when my desktop mobo died in 2012, then a 16x boost to 32GB in 2015.  In 2016 there was a 1.25x bump to 40GB, then 2019 had another 1.6x bump to 64GB.  If I go with a 16x jump over my current 64GB (in a laptop), that would be 1 TB.

 

 

 

I get the feeling that with all the things I'll want to do including running multiple VMs, other programs, etc, even that won't be enough.  One example would be editing full-length 4K RAW / uncompressed 60fps videos, like church services, etc (depending on when I get a camera capable of it) entirely in RAM.  For a 2-hour video would be at least … ( 3840 x 2160 (resolution) = 8,294,400 * 3 (bytes/pixel, at 24 bits/pixel / 8 bits/RGB color) * 60 (frames/second) * 60 (seconds/minute) * 60 (minutes/hour) * 2 (hours) = 10,749,542,400,000 bytes ) … 10.75 TB, or 9.78 TiB.   Church camp meetings have been known to go considerably longer - I've known times at least when I was younger when a morning service would start at 10:30 and still be going past 2pm.  Evening services that started at 7:30pm have on occasion been known to still be going at 1am.  Then, multiply that by typically having 6 services per camp, then having them ALL open at once (and loaded in RAM) for editing... :o  Recent camps typically don't go much longer than 1.5 to 2 hours or so per service, and usually there's only about 4 or so.

 

Now if my next camera is capable of 8K and my next system is fast enough to do it, then of course the RAM (and storage) requirements would be higher as well.  I don't plan on going to 8K anytime soon, though, at least until a mid-range computer is capable of encoding faster than real-time at insane-quality settings.  (My i7-4790K takes about four days to transcode a 4-minute 4K HEVC max-quality-settings video in Handbrake, for perspective.)  My last camera video resolution upgrade was going from 640x480 (Canon SX10 IS) straight to 4K (Panasonic FZ1000), skipping over 720p and 1080p (don't remember if there's been many cameras that had a 1440p max video resolution).  I may even skip 8K and go to 16K or 32K (or would it be 30.72K), but I don't plan to adopt that as quickly as I went to 4K.

 

 

 

In case you haven't figured it out :) I generally don't like to do small incremental upgrades.  I usually prefer to make fairly large jumps when I upgrade, while waiting a few years in between.

For example, I'd consider anything less than my dad's first CPU upgrade (going from a 286-10 bought in January 1989, to a 486DX4-120 bought in October 1995) to be an incremental upgrade.

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3 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

OC'ing my memory wouldn't help me if I'm running out of RAM. 

Doesn't matter, all RAM on desktop and HEDT is running OC. RDIMM only works at JDEC, if you can set faster it's not by much. XMP etc is OC remember. So you will actually lose a fair bit of performance using RDIMM.

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9 minutes ago, PianoPlayer88Key said:

I get the feeling that with all the things I'll want to do including running multiple VMs, other programs, etc, even that won't be enough.  One example would be editing full-length 4K RAW / uncompressed 60fps videos, like church services, etc (depending on when I get a camera capable of it) entirely in RAM. 

Honestly most of what you describe in your post is pretty much workflow problems and unrealistic expectations. Like the above, you don't need to fit that all in to ram, nobody does that. The 256GB you mentioned sounds fine, combine that with good NVMe and optimize how you use your ram, don't just throw money at a problem when you'd actually get a better experience following the optimizations the video industry does.

 

Aside from that I would move VM hosting off to a dedicated computer where using RDIMM would make more sense, then just run a few small VMs on your desktop/laptop if you have to.

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Once again the idea that AMD is only in front because Intel were complacent comes to the table.  No they weren't.  AMD are doing fine because they built something that is good in it's own right and Intel ran into unplanned problems.  No one was complacent or rested on their laurels.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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2 hours ago, mr moose said:

No one was complacent or rested on their laurels.

one can argue they were sorta complacent in the consumer space. not that they didnt push out new faster products, but compared to the advancements they have done in the serverspace, its kinda slow. 

 

the current top end chips intel offers is not a sign of complacency. 

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