rtx 2060 My gaming performance goes different from what i expected

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, Ukyo82 said:

Must change almost everything if follow your thoughts, because got motherboard 350 who does not have very good power delivery, maybe ryzen 3600 will work fine but maybe not is risk then need buy and motherboard, change and ram.....

Don't have to change everything at all... The existing motherboard is a B350 Tomahawk. It's a Tier E motherboard perfectly capable of maxing out a 3600.

 

1 hour ago, Ukyo82 said:

will become very expensive upgrade for minor improvement

Removing stutter is not a "minor improvement" to people sensitive to the effect, and the upgraded CPU can improve framerates by quite a lot.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1968-ryzen-3600-vs-2600-gaming-scaling/

1 hour ago, Ukyo82 said:

and ram not matter that much for games is 3-4fps more is it really a deal to buy new?! If building now new computer of course buy at least 3200 mhz without think but for upgrade is not worth it

It is of course a personal opinion judgement call as to whether it's worth it, but generally it improves the system responsiveness somewhat, as well as framerates and overall stability. (the last bit is a personal observance, I have no outside sources for it)

2 hours ago, Ukyo82 said:

 

 

That is a very good video, and the results shown in it are part of why I recommended the RAM I did.

[Ukyo82]

12 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Don't have to change everything at all... The existing motherboard is a B350 Tomahawk. It's a Tier E motherboard perfectly capable of maxing out a 3600.

 

Removing stutter is not a "minor improvement" to people sensitive to the effect, and the upgraded CPU can improve framerates by quite a lot.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1968-ryzen-3600-vs-2600-gaming-scaling/

It is of course a personal opinion judgement call as to whether it's worth it, but generally it improves the system responsiveness somewhat, as well as framerates and overall stability. (the last bit is a personal observance, I have no outside sources for it)

That is a very good video, and the results shown in it are part of why I recommended the RAM I did.

This site for gaming scaling you show me look pretty good and dont forget 2 things, first is will be graphics bound anyway lower performance little bit then RX 5700 with that RTX 2060 non super also current processor Ryzen 2600X who is little better then tested 2600 so performance improvement even less then what is show on those graphs , check and this video only i found on real time performance and that is with super

 

[BTGbullseye]

2 minutes ago, Ukyo82 said:

 check and this video only i found on real time performance and that is with super

 

Those videos are only general indications of performance, and don't really have good detail about the system or its settings to determine if it's missing performance somewhere. (such as due to a missing BIOS update)

[Ukyo82]

By the way is possible from bios update to come this stutters I not exclude it if XandersWithS  said update bios end of last year, late updates are for new Ryzen 3000 series is possible if this case not fit well with that 2600X

[XandersWithS]

8 hours ago, Rohittheroy said:

A 2nd gen ryzen cpu ideally should not have the stutters you are talking about. Try to tinker about with your ram by overclocking it or in case it doesn't help, try playing with your CPU overclock. By no means should ur ingame fps in cs go up and down with the 2600 and rtx 2060

I need to buy a new ram too, cant do OC to my cpu. already too hot at stock (76c)

[XandersWithS]

15 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Easily. My system with a much more power hungry massively overclocked and overvolted 5700 XT has never even been able to hit 450W under synthetic load. (which is far higher than any game will ever take it)

There is a minor incompatibility of undiagnosable origin between the 2000 series CPUs and certain system combinations. (motherboard, RAM, and even SSD affect the stutter) One thing that always seems to fix the issue is upgrading the CPU to a 3600 or better.

RAM speed very much matters on 2nd gen Ryzen, but not quite as much on 3rd Gen. 2666 is a bit slow for modern systems though. You should be looking for 3000 with 15-15-15 timing, or 3200 with 16-16-16 timing. If you can't afford those, 3200 with 16-18-18 timing is quite good, and usually about half the price. 3600 with 16-16-16 timing is the best though.

Maybe j will try to buy 3200MHz CL16

[XandersWithS]

8 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Don't have to change everything at all... The existing motherboard is a B350 Tomahawk. It's a Tier E motherboard perfectly capable of maxing out a 3600.

 

Removing stutter is not a "minor improvement" to people sensitive to the effect, and the upgraded CPU can improve framerates by quite a lot.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1968-ryzen-3600-vs-2600-gaming-scaling/

It is of course a personal opinion judgement call as to whether it's worth it, but generally it improves the system responsiveness somewhat, as well as framerates and overall stability. (the last bit is a personal observance, I have no outside sources for it)

That is a very good video, and the results shown in it are part of why I recommended the RAM I did.

From what i see, I need to buy a new cpu, new motherboard (this is optional but its okay if needed), and new 3200MHz ram CL16. 

For now, Ram first and cooling system. Then new cpu and motherboard while waiting for 4th gen or new gen

[XandersWithS]

9 hours ago, Rohittheroy said:

A 2nd gen ryzen cpu ideally should not have the stutters you are talking about. Try to tinker about with your ram by overclocking it or in case it doesn't help, try playing with your CPU overclock. By no means should ur ingame fps in cs go up and down with the 2600 and rtx 2060

When im using GTX 1060 3GB, its alright, but when im using rtx 2060 so many problem like stutter and wide fps gap = affect stutter

[BTGbullseye]

23 hours ago, XandersWithS said:

When im using GTX 1060 3GB, its alright, but when im using rtx 2060 so many problem like stutter and wide fps gap = affect stutter

And that's because the CPU just can't keep up with the GPU. It's a well known phenomena.

[XandersWithS]

On 2/19/2020 at 3:51 PM, BTGbullseye said:

And that's because the CPU just can't keep up with the GPU. It's a well known phenomena.

For that problem, there is 2 ways to fix it. Buy a capable ryzen cpu. Or try to overclock it. Second way is impossible with my temperature already reach something isnt good. Maybe just change a new cpu and ram would work well. 

[BTGbullseye]

On 2/20/2020 at 4:13 AM, XandersWithS said:

For that problem, there is 2 ways to fix it. Buy a capable ryzen cpu. Or try to overclock it. Second way is impossible with my temperature already reach something isnt good. Maybe just change a new cpu and ram would work well. 

You know... You never did say exactly what temps you're getting, only that they're bad... It could just be that you need a fresh application of thermal paste for the CPU to perform better. (though it still may not fix the stutter no matter how cool or overclocked you can get)

[XandersWithS]

14 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

You know... You never did say exactly what temps you're getting, only that they're bad... It could just be that you need a fresh application of thermal paste for the CPU to perform better. (though it still may not fix the stutter no matter how cool or overclocked you can get)

already changed it, 70-76 at max gaming situation 

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, XandersWithS said:

already changed it, 70-76 at max gaming situation 

Then you're nowhere near thermal throttling temps... That happens above 90°.

[XandersWithS]

4 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Then you're nowhere near thermal throttling temps... That happens above 90°.

Maybe my clock speed of the cpu is different from others. Mine only reach 3.65ghz at highest (Can reach its max boost clock when 3dmark benchmark etc). Still waiting for price of the cpu and ram go down.

[XandersWithS]

21 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

You know... You never did say exactly what temps you're getting, only that they're bad... It could just be that you need a fresh application of thermal paste for the CPU to perform better. (though it still may not fix the stutter no matter how cool or overclocked you can get)

If ipc of thr cpu cant handle the game, so the 1% framerate will be affected too right? 

[BTGbullseye]

4 hours ago, XandersWithS said:

Maybe my clock speed of the cpu is different from others. Mine only reach 3.65ghz at highest (Can reach its max boost clock when 3dmark benchmark etc). Still waiting for price of the cpu and ram go down.

There may be a setting in your BIOS that is limiting it for some reason. I would try a full reset to factory BIOS settings, then going back in and enabling PBO on the processor, and XMP on the RAM, and nothing at all else.

3 hours ago, XandersWithS said:

If ipc of thr cpu cant handle the game, so the 1% framerate will be affected too right? 

It will definitely affect the 1% and 0.1% lows a lot. A 2600 "golden chip" will never even come close to the same lows performance of the 3600.

[XandersWithS]

11 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

There may be a setting in your BIOS that is limiting it for some reason. I would try a full reset to factory BIOS settings, then going back in and enabling PBO on the processor, and XMP on the RAM, and nothing at all else.

It will definitely affect the 1% and 0.1% lows a lot. A 2600 "golden chip" will never even come close to the same lows performance of the 3600.

Hmm pbo is like cpu core boost? Maybe if turned it on, the temperature will gone crazy??? 

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, XandersWithS said:

Hmm pbo is like cpu core boost? Maybe if turned it on, the temperature will gone crazy??? 

PBO is the automatic overclocking capability of the CPU. It will overclock up to a certain point, and it shouldn't add more than 15°c to your temps, leaving them well below the thermal limit of the chip.

[XandersWithS]

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

PBO is the automatic overclocking capability of the CPU. It will overclock up to a certain point, and it shouldn't add more than 15°c to your temps, leaving them well below the thermal limit of the chip.

Hmmm thats a good idea to handle 2060. But still if i want a very stable gameplay i need to change to 3600. To get rid of the choppiness and microstutter 

[bsgeibel]

Your motherboard should be fine btw. If I were you, I might try a 3600 and just see how it goes. Eventually you could do RAM too, but if you're happy and the fps instability is better, then that's all that matters. Don't get too caught up in buying new stuff all the time; enjoy it! You could eventually get a new monitor, but you'll still have trouble getting anywhere close to 144 fps in a lot of games. Personally I use an ultrawide 34" that runs at 100hz. Besides the bluriness that VA panels naturally have, it's pretty good, and great for movies, too. 

[XandersWithS]

5 hours ago, bsgeibel said:

Your motherboard should be fine btw. If I were you, I might try a 3600 and just see how it goes. Eventually you could do RAM too, but if you're happy and the fps instability is better, then that's all that matters. Don't get too caught up in buying new stuff all the time; enjoy it! You could eventually get a new monitor, but you'll still have trouble getting anywhere close to 144 fps in a lot of games. Personally I use an ultrawide 34" that runs at 100hz. Besides the bluriness that VA panels naturally have, it's pretty good, and great for movies, too. 

Csgo and other game with cpu bound and mixed cpu gpu game isnt competitive at all (playable but so many fps drop when goinf to Site A or B (CSGO)). I dont know its a bad optimization or My cpu cant handle the gpu

[XandersWithS]

Last time i see from youtube, forum. Its okay using 2060 with 2600.But from i see the core clock is arouns 3.75GHz. Is it a speed of the ram affect ryzen so much? About 1% and 0.1% percentage 

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, XandersWithS said:

Is it a speed of the ram affect ryzen so much?

The RAM speed definitely affects Ryzen quite a lot... 3200 or 3600 is the sweet spot for 2nd and 3rd Gen Ryzen. (but only if it's decent timings, like 16-16-16 or 16-18-18)

[bsgeibel]

Yeah RAM will affect it, but you also might have problems getting it up past 3000mhz with Ryzen 2. You CAN get it higher, but AMD won't guarantee that it'll work. Depends on the quality of the RAM and your motherboard. Check your motherboards QVL to see if there's a particular type that is tested to work at above 2933.

[XandersWithS]

5 hours ago, bsgeibel said:

Yeah RAM will affect it, but you also might have problems getting it up past 3000mhz with Ryzen 2. You CAN get it higher, but AMD won't guarantee that it'll work. Depends on the quality of the RAM and your motherboard. Check your motherboards QVL to see if there's a particular type that is tested to work at above 2933.

3200(OC) thats mean i cant use XMP? 

My friend using R5 1600 B350 cant reach 3200.