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My gaming performance goes different from what i expected

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I already made this thread about my gpu last month.

So my problem is simple. 

At a game with cpu-intensive, my gpu hold back my gaming performance (So many random framedrop, frametime change, ex. 75 to 55 then 40 then go to 75 again) -Black Desert Online

GPU-Intensive (not tested at all) because i dont have the game. First thing what i want to achieve is. Stable gameplay at high frame. Or stay at that fps on vsync.

 

(at my last 1060 3gb, all games works well. The reason i upgrade: I need more performance at gaming. So i upgrade to 2060 without any hesitation. Hmm not a bad upgrade but this gaming performance annoy me a little bit.

Here is my screenshot in game:

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I already changed the graphic to max. Still found a random stutter or fps drop. I dont know anymore about this.

CSGO: All low (Shader high)

BDO:

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Other games, like division 2 and R6S. Okay but not a best performance from what i expected.

 

First thing what i can see:

Memory clock didnt go very well and stable at 1860 (boost) - only stay at base clock - 1600MHz

I dont know can believe it or not. Gpucheck website told me -20FPS ingame and 20% cpu impact

So many fps drop like randomly happens. I hope my gpu didnt make all this upgrade is worthless.

If this pc compared to Ryzen 5 2600X and RTX 2060. It different from what i see at stream (Some youtuber use it for stream) or youtube (Like a video Ryzen 5 2600 and RTX 2060 at 15 games)


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R5 2600 isn't particularly good for games that require strong single-core performance or high refresh rate gaming in general.

 

Most MMORPGs in my experience require super high single core performance. Black Desert, GW2, Aion and even WoW. And since R5 2600 doesn't have that, it won't run those games smoothly. If you want good performance, you will need 3600 with high overclock applied to it.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, PopsicleHustler said:

R5 2600 isn't particularly good for games that require strong single-core performance or high refresh rate gaming in general.

 

Most MMORPGs in my experience require super high single core performance. Black Desert, GW2, Aion and even WoW. And since R5 2600 doesn't have that, it won't run those games smoothly. If you want good performance, you will need 3600 with high overclock applied to it.

Still i dont understand, all things work well at my 1060 3gb. but not 2060. My upgrade plan is change to intel. First thing what i do is gaming. So i need a stable fps. But all games at 1060 3gb works fine. Maybe it use 100% of my gpu usage. (I didnt check it at afterburner, and gpu already sold)

I know its a bad idea to change processor to intel, But... is it okay if my gpu core clock speed like unstable going from base to boost clock) ?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
7 minutes ago, PopsicleHustler said:

R5 2600 isn't particularly good for games that require strong single-core performance or high refresh rate gaming in general.

 

Most MMORPGs in my experience require super high single core performance. Black Desert, GW2, Aion and even WoW. And since R5 2600 doesn't have that, it won't run those games smoothly. If you want good performance, you will need 3600 with high overclock applied to it.

All games without cpu intensive. GPU is okay but needs a fast ram like 3200MHz to help ryzen and stability. 


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Based on your 2 threads. The 2600 doesn't have a fast enough IPC to deliver what you are after, you will need to either upgrade to a Ryzen 3600+ or something like a Intel 9600k, both should perform similar.

 

If your wanting the absolute best experience go Intel and overclock it.

 

Ryzen does like fast ram and usually anything from 3200 to 3600 is recommended, If you have stuttering this can help out quite a bit, I think it mostly comes down to the game / task.

 

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 minutes ago, Nayr438 said:

Based on your 2 threads. The 2600 doesn't have a fast enough IPC to deliver what you are after, you will need to either upgrade to a Ryzen 3600+ or something like a Intel 9600k, both should perform similar.

 

If your wanting the absolute best experience go Intel and overclock it.

 

Ryzen does like fast ram and usually anything from 3200 to 3600 is recommended, If you have stuttering this can help out quite a bit, I think it mostly comes down to the game / task.

 

 

Is it okay to upgrade to 3600? And buy a ram 3200Mhz (This is my first upgrade plan, then cpu then motherboard. It depends to my work in the future. I choose to do more productivity or gaming.


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Yes the 3600 will work in your current board, just make sure your BIOS is up to date.


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This probably doesn't help, also make sure the memory is actually running at the rated speed and not at the default which might be even lower than that.

 

Also test the GPU in benchmarks to make sure that it isn't a problem related to the GPU itself. For testing increase the resolution to 4K(DSR on Nvidia Control Panel) to see if the GPU can get to 100% usage and boost with no issues.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 hours ago, Nayr438 said:

Yes the 3600 will work in your current board, just make sure your BIOS is up to date.

And upgrade ram speed to 3200MHz?


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2 hours ago, KaitouX said:

This probably doesn't help, also make sure the memory is actually running at the rated speed and not at the default which might be even lower than that.

 

Also test the GPU in benchmarks to make sure that it isn't a problem related to the GPU itself. For testing increase the resolution to 4K(DSR on Nvidia Control Panel) to see if the GPU can get to 100% usage and boost with no issues.

Hmm DSR FACTOR to 2.0x. I dont know which game i must benchmark too.. 


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Do you have any graphics heavy singleplayer game? Just get the most graphic demanding single player game you have, bump every setting to the highest including resolution and check the GPU usage/clock.

As benchmark you can try the Unigine Superposition and check how your GPU performs to other users with similar PCs. Might as well try Cinebench to make sure the CPU is also performing as expected.

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1 minute ago, KaitouX said:

Do you have any graphics heavy singleplayer game? Just get the most graphics demanding single player game you have, bump every setting to the highest including resolution and check the GPU usage/clock.

As benchmark you can try the Unigine Superposition and check how your GPU performs to other users with similar PCs. Might as well try Cinebench to make sure the CPU is also performing as expected.

Im using 3DMark for benchmark. The score different from someone who OC but still near from that point. Different of 100-250 points. Hmm only forza works well for now (Forza =Best optimization).. Still confused i5 9600K or Ryzen 5 3600.Im only do editing gaming and recording. What should i do? Because so many framedrop (stutter because so many jump between frame). 

 

I know every game had it bottleneck itself. This isnt bottleneck too. More ljke unstable gameplay. 


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Posted · Original PosterOP
5 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

Do you have any graphics heavy singleplayer game? Just get the most graphics demanding single player game you have, bump every setting to the highest including resolution and check the GPU usage/clock.

As benchmark you can try the Unigine Superposition and check how your GPU performs to other users with similar PCs. Might as well try Cinebench to make sure the CPU is also performing as expected.

My cpu only reach 3.899GHz at benchmark. Gaming it only reach 3.65 at first time turned on, then dropped to 3. 575-3.6ghz


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On 1/31/2020 at 8:12 PM, Nayr438 said:

Based on your 2 threads. The 2600 doesn't have a fast enough IPC to deliver what you are after, you will need to either upgrade to a Ryzen 3600+ or something like a Intel 9600k, both should perform similar.

 

If your wanting the absolute best experience go Intel and overclock it.

 

Ryzen does like fast ram and usually anything from 3200 to 3600 is recommended, If you have stuttering this can help out quite a bit, I think it mostly comes down to the game / task.

 

 

What best cooler can i change from stock to? Watercooling or Hyper 212 only fan?


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4 hours ago, XandersWithS said:

What best cooler can i change from stock to? Watercooling or Hyper 212 only fan?

I personally use a ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO, I don't really know how other coolers perform. My 3600 idles around 35c and under load hits about 70c.

Water vs Air is more preference, figure out which you would rather have and I would probably ask in that section of the forum. I don't personally know enough about the different coolers to give a good answer.

 


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8 hours ago, XandersWithS said:

What best cooler can i change from stock to? Watercooling or Hyper 212 only fan?

GAMMAXX 400

 

It's a $22 cooler that is on-par or better than the Hyper 212. You can also add an extra fan onto the CPU cooler if you want slightly better performance. (about 3°c max temp reduction) It's also definitely going to be enough cooling for any CPU less powerful than the 3950X, so you can even do some overclocking.


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Don’t run the division 2 or siege at max settings. At max settings on my pc with siege it’s not enjoyable, the framerate is too low. Figure out what settings to change that will boost your framerate the most without making your game look like a potato.
The rtx 2060 is a great 1080p card, don’t try to run max settings because it won’t work well unless your playing less demanding games.  
 

On 1/31/2020 at 7:33 AM, PopsicleHustler said:

R5 2600 isn't particularly good for games that require strong single-core performance or high refresh rate gaming in general.

 

Most MMORPGs in my experience require super high single core performance. Black Desert, GW2, Aion and even WoW. And since R5 2600 doesn't have that, it won't run those games smoothly. If you want good performance, you will need 3600 with high overclock applied to it.

High overclock on a ryzen 3600? Lol that’s funny. 


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36 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Don’t run the division 2 or siege at max settings. At max settings on my pc with siege it’s not enjoyable, the framerate is too low.

Several of the AnvilNext and Snowdrop game engine games have a VRAM memory leak that comes from having the textures and shadows at maximum. Dropping those two to the next setting down can sometimes improve framerates by over 200%.


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35 minutes ago, BTGbullseye said:

Several of the AnvilNext and Snowdrop game engine games have a VRAM memory leak that comes from having the textures and shadows at maximum. Dropping those two to the next setting down can sometimes improve framerates by over 200%.

I know that. I was just saying not to run it at max because it isn’t good. That TA setting I believe that’s what it’s called kills performance. I put it at ultra and turn that setting down and stay over 144fps all the time on my rig. 


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On 2/12/2020 at 9:13 AM, BTGbullseye said:

Several of the AnvilNext and Snowdrop game engine games have a VRAM memory leak that comes from having the textures and shadows at maximum. Dropping those two to the next setting down can sometimes improve framerates by over 200%.

Siege: All low, DIVISION 2: High DX11. CSGO and BDO not playable.


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1 hour ago, XandersWithS said:

Siege: All low, DIVISION 2: High DX11. CSGO and BDO not playable.

Something's very wrong with your system if you can't play CS:GO... (yes, I realize that's incredibly redundant to say in this thread)


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I don't know much about tech but frame drops in mmos like BDO are quite normal...It's more about game engine & poor optimization of the game than about your hardware. Aion is good example of that sadly. It's old mmo made with Cryengine 1 and even with modern PC you won't get good FPS. I did watch some twitch user streaming it with i9-9000K and RTX 2070 and his FPS was jumping between 40-100 even when there was no other players in the screen.

 

I did test run BDO with my desktop (RTX 2060 and Ryzen 5 3600, nothing overclocked) without tweaking graphics settings much. FPS jumps up and down constantly from 70 to 120 and back, sometimes sinking all the way down to 45. My setup isn't perfect either, you probably will get lot better temps than me. :) I just did record this because I couldn't find any video footage on people playing BDO with this cpu + gpu combo.

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
15 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

Something's very wrong with your system if you can't play CS:GO... (yes, I realize that's incredibly redundant to say in this thread)

unplayable for competitive, so many big fps drop and stutter. Maybe its from cpu cant handle rtx at csgo. 


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13 hours ago, Zelenia said:

I don't know much about tech but frame drops in mmos like BDO are quite normal...It's more about game engine & poor optimization of the game than about your hardware. Aion is good example of that sadly. It's old mmo made with Cryengine 1 and even with modern PC you won't get good FPS. I did watch some twitch user streaming it with i9-9000K and RTX 2070 and his FPS was jumping between 40-100 even when there was no other players in the screen.

 

I did test run BDO with my desktop (RTX 2060 and Ryzen 5 3600, nothing overclocked) without tweaking graphics settings much. FPS jumps up and down constantly from 70 to 120 and back, sometimes sinking all the way down to 45. My setup isn't perfect either, you probably will get lot better temps than me. :) I just did record this because I couldn't find any video footage on people playing BDO with this cpu + gpu combo.

 

Medium 1080p

High 1080p

Maybe Ryzen 5 3600 and 3200mhz can do better than my 2600 handle 2060?

I see everyone using 3rd gen. 


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57 minutes ago, XandersWithS said:

Maybe Ryzen 5 3600 and 3200mhz can do better than my 2600 handle 2060?

I see everyone using 3rd gen. 

Have you updated the BIOS recently?


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