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Warcraft 3 reforged is a complete disaster

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Gamers of a certain age fondly remember Warcraft III as a seminal entry in the annals of gaming history.

In an effort to rekindle that nostalgia, yesterday, Blizzard Entertainment released the long-awaited remake Warcraft III: Reforged. As players eagerly jump in, the reactions have been nothing short of scathing.

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Complaints levied at Warcraft III: Reforged run the gamut. The game is ridden with seemingly downgraded graphics, missing assets, shoddy animations, countless bugs, facets of multiplayer not working correctly, recycled cinematics, sketchy performance, and the absence of a UI refresh among other promised features.

Players Lambast Problem-Ridden Warcraft III: Reforged

 

Players Lambast Problem-Ridden Warcraft III: Reforged

 

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There are even reports that Blizzard attempted to quell the discontent by banning users on the official Warcraft III forum seeking out refunds.

The forum tells a similar story about the game’s reception with thread titles such as ‘You Have Killed Warcraft 3’ and ‘That’s what happens when you fire 800 employees’.

While tempers flair among the player base, Blizzard remains disconcertingly quiet.

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Everytime I look at the metacritic score it gets worse.

 

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source: https://www.ccn.com/warcraft-iii-reforged-is-a-bug-ridden-mess-and-gamers-are-absolutely-livid/

 

I understand not wanting to spend a lot of time working on a remaster though I question why even release it in this state but forcing people with the previous version to update to this buggy broken version is just terrible. I would suggest blizzard to reverse the updates and separate the two versions at the very least and if they don't want to issue refunds then do their best to fix it. This also doesn't bode well for future blizzard games if they think this is of acceptable quality to be released.

 

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5 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

Players Lambast Problem-Ridden Warcraft III: Reforged

When you open Gmod for the first time without getting the old Counter Strike textures 

 

It's almost as if they didn't do enough ''''crunch time'''' (read as: 12 hour days, 6 days a week)


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The official Reforged forums are 99% rage at the moment and Activision-Blizzard is silent.


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I would just do chargebacks if they don't want to refund the money. They aren't entitled to any money if the product isn't what it was supposed to be. Remasters really need to die if you can't be arsed to do a good job. 

 

Edit: Why would they mix the two versions together?! 


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3 minutes ago, minibois said:

It's almost as if they didn't do enough ''''crunch time'''' (read as: 12 hour days, 6 days a week)

Clearly they should have just delayed it. Especially considering it's a remaster Blizzard and it's fan should want to do the original justice.

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3 minutes ago, TheGlenlivet said:

Between this and the China stuff from a few months back, they need to get their shit together....

 

they also moved overwatch league from twitch to youtube which i think is a terrible decision

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Meanwhile, I am having a blast and zero issues with the game.

Did not check out the MP part, but honestly never got interested in that anyways. (Hell, I don't even remember it having MP originally,...)

 

Did not run into any graphical bugs, performance issues, crashes or letdowns. It is just basically the old game with slightly shinier pictures, sounds and videos.

Got all I expected to get tbh.

 

Not quite sure what people expected it to be. A new game? They would have called it Warcraft IV then.

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27 minutes ago, Xiee said:

Blizzard died the moment they merged with Activision.

Partially true. Activision merged with Vivendi in 2008, which happened to be the parent company of Blizzard.

 

We'd be lying to ourselves if we said that Blizzard was dead between 2008 and 2012. Some of their best years were then. Unless you got your nostalgia glasses on of course.

 

They did die because of Activision eventually. This was very noticable when major players from the dev teams and founders started leaving.

 

Current and future games have the Blizzard stamp on them, but we all know they are not real Blizzard games. #sadface


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21 minutes ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

Meanwhile, I am having a blast and zero issues with the game.

Did not check out the MP part, but honestly never got interested in that anyways. (Hell, I don't even remember it having MP originally,...)

 

Did not run into any graphical bugs, performance issues, crashes or letdowns. It is just basically the old game with slightly shinier pictures, sounds and videos.

Got all I expected to get tbh.

 

Not quite sure what people expected it to be. A new game? They would have called it Warcraft IV then.

idk you dont get a metacritic score of 1.9 lower than fallout 76 without doing something wrong. and like fallout 76 some people are going to like the game but that doesnt mean that nothing is wrong unlike what my chem professor thought when 80% of the people failed an exam but hey the top score is 94% so that means theres nothing wrong with the exam

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1 minute ago, Reytime said:

Partially true. Activision merged with Vivendi in 2008, which happened to be the parent company of Blizzard.

 

We'd be lying to ourselves if we said that Blizzard was dead between 2008 and 2012. Some of their best years were then. Unless you got your nostalgia glasses on of course.

 

They did die because of Activision eventually. This was very noticable when major players from the dev teams and founders started leaving.

 

Current and future games have the Blizzard stamp on them, but we all know they are not real Blizzard games. #sadface

Overwatch is actually a surprisingly good game. And engine powering it looks nice and runs really nice. The main issue is with their absolutely fucked up "support", how they refuse to talk specifics when suspended/banned, refuse to do shit when you ask them to and they are just so full of shit and just straight up lying about things to a point you can't roll your eyes hard enough to actually believe the manure that's coming out of their mouths. And god their oversensitive crybaby userbase that's offended by freaking everything. Literally never seen anything this bad in my entire life. And that's what they endorse specifically so it's their doing.

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1 minute ago, spartaman64 said:

idk you dont get a metacritic score of 1.9 lower than fallout 76 without doing something wrong. and like fallout 76 some people are going to like the game but that doesnt mean that nothing is wrong unlike what my chem professor thought when 80% of the people are failed an exam but hey the top score is 94% so that means theres nothing wrong with the exam

I get that, but I still feel like the outrage is a little extreme.

Most of the points mentioned around the web are flat out wrong after all. You just need to fire up the game and look at it to verify,... that is why I am strongly skeptical about what is happening here. 

Kind of expect a MP loving gang of people review bombing here TBH. As I said: I did not look into that and don't plan to. 

The game itself, the campaign, is done better than expected. By far actually. You can even pick to run the original game and compare,... they reworked about everything, including sound, videos and voiceover.

 

Crying about not having animated loading screens seems kind of,... extreme, no? Especially since I am just now looking at an animated loading screen. ?

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8 minutes ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

I get that, but I still feel like the outrage is a little extreme.

Most of the points mentioned around the web are flat out wrong after all. You just need to fire up the game and look at it to verify,... that is why I am strongly skeptical about what is happening here. 

Kind of expect a MP loving gang of people review bombing here TBH. As I said: I did not look into that and don't plan to. 

The game itself, the campaign, is done better than expected. By far actually. You can even pick to run the original game and compare,... they reworked about everything, including sound, videos and voiceover.

 

Crying about not having animated loading screens seems kind of,... extreme, no? Especially since I am just now looking at an animated loading screen. ?

just because you dont have a problem doesnt mean it doesnt exist just like with all game bugs it happens to some people it doesnt happen with others.

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6 minutes ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

Crying about not having animated loading screens seems kind of,... extreme, no? Especially since I am just now looking at an animated loading screen. ?

If we could do that in the 2000's, why can't we do it now? Was it too much work? Too bad! You're a company and should be looking to put your best product forward. 

 

As a lover of RTS, that scene did hold a lot of my time growing up. If we could play that on LAN (arguably even WAN), speeds that would even make snails blush, why should we expect issues with faster networks? And then not riot against the company? 


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17 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Overwatch is actually a surprisingly good game. And engine powering it looks nice and runs really nice. The main issue is with their absolutely fucked up "support", how they refuse to talk specifics when suspended/banned, refuse to do shit when you ask them to and they are just so full of shit and just straight up lying about things to a point you can't roll your eyes hard enough to actually believe the manure that's coming out of their mouths. And god their oversensitive crybaby userbase that's offended by freaking everything. Literally never seen anything this bad in my entire life. And that's what they endorse specifically so it's their doing.

Overwatch was however the end result of a cancelled project which the ''old Blizzard'' was working on. Many people who made that game happen are no longer with the company.


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1 hour ago, ARikozuM said:

I would just do chargebacks if they don't want to refund the money. 

Yup - and this works.  The worst thing that will happen is that CC/Bank account gets banned from their (in this example Activision/Blizzard) system


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1 hour ago, Jack_of_all_Trades said:

Also blizz does not exist anymore, there is only the dead body of the company that is being used as a sock puppet by the cock of Activision.

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*looks at WCIII on desk next to me* And here I am with my ancient original copy.


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Nu blizzard managed to completely fuck one of their masterpieces. Almost impressive. The Arthas vs Illidan cutscene is pure cringe.

 

A lot of blizzard died when Metzen retired. The rest died when Morhaime stepped down.


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With all the terrible Blizzard business decisions and staff departures over the previous years, the developer which made past games people loved is long dead and gone.

 

Mike Morhaime, Blizzard co-founder and CEO, leaves the company

Blizzard Co-Founder Frank Pearce Exits After 28 Years

Departure Message From Frank Pearce And J. Allen Brack

Over 100 Blizzard employees were paid to leave the company

Hearthstone lead leaves Blizzard

Activision Blizzard Loses its Second Executive in a Week - Spencer Neumann and Amrita Ahuja leave

 

Low morale at Blizzard Esports is reportedly leading to high-profile departures

Blizzard’s Staff Is Still Unhappy, More High Profile Employees Are Leaving Due To Low Morale

Blizzard staff are concerned ActiVision is having too much influence in Blizzard

Original ‘Diablo’ developer (David Brevik) calls out Blizzard for disrespecting its employees

Blizzard 'has completely changed,' say Diablo's original creators

 

The released product of Diablo 3, not to mention the time it took to make, proved that Blizzard was already lost in the woods while making it.

 

Flashback of some fallout over that:

 

Diablo 3 Developers React Angrily to David Brevik Interview

Diablo 3's Jay Wilson Apologizes To David Brevik, Entire Diablo Community

Diablo co-creator discusses his original vision for Diablo III and the future for Marvel Heroes

 

 

I would say that Blizzard was a sell-out studio throughout the history of its existence, but Blizzard sold itself so readily and early in its existence that it was never really in control of itself to have the chance to continue being a sell-out studio. It's gotten around more than a cheap hooker.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment

 

'Blizzard' was purchased by Davidson & Associates in 1994.

Davidson & Associates was sold to CUC International in 1996.

CUC International became a part of Cendant in 1997.

Cendant sold its publishers to Havas in 1998.

Havas was bought by Vivendi in 1998.

Vivendi Games merged with Activision in 2008 and became Activision Blizzard.

Activision Blizzard became independent in 2013 by purchasing a majority of the company's shares from Vivendi.

 

Blizzard has been like a card that companies keep in their personal deck for a short while before trading it again. I wonder what psychological effect that has on the studio's management and how challenging it is to keep a consistent development philosophy while ownership keeps changing.

 

The last independent game Blizzard made was likely Rock n' Roll Racing or The Lost Vikings, which was before Blizzard was called Blizzard, and while it was still called Chaos Studios. Warcraft: Orcs and Humans was released in late 1994, and Blizzard was acquired by Davidson & Associates in early 1994. Maybe Blizzard had started working on Warcraft: Orcs and Humans before they were purchased.

 


Personally, I think Warcraft II is the last great game Blizzard has made. I find Starcraft to be pretty good, but Warcraft III went completely cheesy and lame with the story. And the limitation on how many units can be built in War 3 was a letdown.

 

I think that since then, Blizzard have made highly-polished, yet extremely cheesy fairy-fart narratives that wasted the games' potentials, largely due to Chris Metzen. He had been given way too much influence in the company and over game narratives, despite his writing being cheesy, sappy, tropey, cliche, and overall undermining the games Blizzard were making. Metzen was brilliant at artwork, but was an utterly cringy hack as a writer. He should have been kept on artwork duty, which is where he shone.

 

I see Chris Metzen finally leaving the company in 2016 as a long-overdue positive development. But at the same time, tons of Blizzard's other staff have also left or been fired since then. So, whatever benefit Chris' departure might have yielded is probably offset by the flushing of the studio's talent.

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