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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hey guys,

 

I do a lot of video editing, so I want to upgrade my RAM of 16gb to 32gb. 

I found something that could work with my pc, however I´m not sure if it´s able to use its full capacity.

In the attachment a picture of my system that also says DDR4-2400

 

The product I want to install however has 3600mhz.

Does the picture of my system tell me there´s no way I can use the full 3600mhz, or is there someway I can overclock so I actually can.

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

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You can use DDR4-3200 in a system that's only compatible with up to DDR4-2400, the RAM will just downclock.

 

But you didn't say anything else about your system. If it's a prebuilt, you likely can't set the RAM higher than the highest speed it's compatible with. Otherwise, you can try your luck anyway and hope for the best.

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Apart from not running full speed, prebuilt systems often only come with 2 memory slots only so you need 16GB sticks to reach the specified 32GB capacity. This is very likely the case here because even Skylake CPUs support 64GB memory in 4 stick setups.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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10 minutes ago, Luukfilm said:

Thanks for your answer!

 

It is prebuilt, it has an overclock option in the command center, but not sure if it would work. 

This is a link to the system: https://support.hp.com/za-en/document/c05835117

I don't know if it's possible to see from this if it will.

 

 

The link shows DDR4-2666 not DDR4-2400. It should still work with the memory that you bought because you should have 2 slots open still. Unless you tweak some of the board settings the RAM will just underclock to the speed determined by the board.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

How many dimms? You may need 2 16gb dimms to get 32gb of ram. What sticks does it have already.

Thanks,

It got 2 sticks of 8gb right now. It supports up to 4x8 for 32gb. 2x16 won't work, if i'm correct.

 

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Apart from not running full speed, prebuilt systems often only come with 2 memory slots only so you need 16GB sticks to reach the specified 32GB capacity. This is very likely the case here because even Skylake CPUs support 64GB memory in 4 stick setups.

Thanks,

it has 4 slots for DDR4. 

 

 

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Hey, welcome to the forum!

 

The motherboard may have XMP, but I doubt it.

These are the important pieces of information from HP:

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So if you want 32GB, you need to get 8GB DIMMs, 4 of them.

Getting very fast memory like 3600Mhz will not really be worth it, since it will likely run at 2400Mhz.

 

P.S. that kit seems way overpriced, considering you can get 3000Mhz + for 140 euros and 3600Mhz+ for 200 euros:

https://tweakers.net/categorie/545/geheugen-intern/producten/#filter:TYzLCsIwFET_ZdYR8m6aDyi4cOVSXJQ2i0hrS1JEKPl3cxGqq8ucOXd2LGkMqYthGuGxpvjIYF94XdJWWZ-Hg6xhOFfvJBipQ7jEJzxnyLXo4rSFlOF3CNXQefUT_A3Cco17YTCa6Ew_ULKxru7O_bsmI7V0DuS0P0cfvTTUadv-LchWqUPQjnOUUj4

(link to Tweakers.net, Dutch website for news and comparing prices, etc. link to 3000Mhz+ memory).

Just now, Luukfilm said:

Thanks,

It got 2 sticks of 8gb right now. It supports up to 4x8 for 32gb. 2x16 won't work, if i'm correct.

You could look into getting 2x8GB, to simply add to your current system. 16GB sticks indeed would not work. With DDR4 memory I have personally had like a 90% success rate in mixing RAM so usually it goes well.

Worst case, the memory pairs wouldn't work together (but would work separately from each other), meaning you just need to get the same 16GB/2x8GB kit again for the 32GB total.


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2 minutes ago, YoFavRussian said:

The link shows DDR4-2666 not DDR4-2400. It should still work with the memory that you bought because you should have 2 slots open still. Unless you tweak some of the board settings the RAM will just underclock to the speed determined by the board.

Thanks,

Ah right, so my next question would be if it would be wiser for me to buy for example 2400mhz or 3200mhz, or go for the 3600mhz and try to tweak?

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Just now, Luukfilm said:

Thanks,

It got 2 sticks of 8gb right now. It supports up to 4x8 for 32gb. 2x16 won't work, if i'm correct.

what board? Many will support 16gb dimms even if it doesn't have offical support for it.

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1 minute ago, Luukfilm said:

or go for the 3600mhz and try to tweak?

tweak for what, performance? Nah overclocking in general is not good on prebuilt systems, their support just isnt there compared to custom built machines.


CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: 1TB HP EX920 PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172), 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Luukfilm said:

Thanks,

Ah right, so my next question would be if it would be wiser for me to buy for example 2400mhz or 3200mhz, or go for the 3600mhz and try to tweak?

Well, also keep in mind that if you're just getting another 16 GB to make it 32GB you would have to try to overclock all the RAM. Including the RAM that is only rated at 2666MHz. I would just try to find RAM that matches the current speed or faster, just not slower.

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5 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

what board? Many will support 16gb dimms even if it doesn't have offical support for it.

This is true, they are already contradicting themselves by saying that the system "Supports PC4-19200(2400)" and then sticking PC4-2666 memory in the PC.

"Maximum" for this system is theoretically 32GB so 16G per channel may work.

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13 minutes ago, minibois said:

Hey, welcome to the forum!

 

The motherboard may have XMP, but I doubt it.

These are the important pieces of information from HP:

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So if you want 32GB, you need to get 8GB DIMMs, 4 of them.

Getting very fast memory like 3600Mhz will not really be worth it, since it will likely run at 2400Mhz.

 

P.S. that kit seems way overpriced, considering you can get 3000Mhz + for 140 euros and 3600Mhz+ for 200 euros:

https://tweakers.net/categorie/545/geheugen-intern/producten/#filter:TYzLCsIwFET_ZdYR8m6aDyi4cOVSXJQ2i0hrS1JEKPl3cxGqq8ucOXd2LGkMqYthGuGxpvjIYF94XdJWWZ-Hg6xhOFfvJBipQ7jEJzxnyLXo4rSFlOF3CNXQefUT_A3Cco17YTCa6Ew_ULKxru7O_bsmI7V0DuS0P0cfvTTUadv-LchWqUPQjnOUUj4

(link to Tweakers.net, Dutch website for news and comparing prices, etc. link to 3000Mhz+ memory).

You could look into getting 2x8GB, to simply add to your current system. 16GB sticks indeed would not work. With DDR4 memory I have personally had like a 90% success rate in mixing RAM so usually it goes well.

Worst case, the memory pairs wouldn't work together (but would work separately from each other), meaning you just need to get the same 16GB/2x8GB kit again for the 32GB total.

Bedankt!

this actually saved me some money haha.

I will look into it.

 

15 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

what board? Many will support 16gb dimms even if it doesn't have offical support for it.

mm interesting. did not know that. attached a picture of the motherboard.

 

14 minutes ago, YoFavRussian said:

Well, also keep in mind that if you're just getting another 16 GB to make it 32GB you would have to try to overclock all the RAM. Including the RAM that is only rated at 2666MHz. I would just try to find RAM that matches the current speed or faster, just not slower.

allright, thanks for the help. ill start looking for around the current speed. kind of disappointing this system doesn't support any higher, hope it will still be a good boost for my editing workflow with.

 

17 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

tweak for what, performance? Nah overclocking in general is not good on prebuilt systems, their support just isnt there compared to custom built machines.

allright, thanks. good to know I won't have to dive in the overclocking process if it's not really there anyways.

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