corona virus

[Bombastinator]

This prepper/anti-vax dichotomy perplexes and fascinated me.  There’s most likely a common motivational thread.  If there is it means the motivations I’ve been given to attribute to both behaviors is wrong.  It’s not about safety. Because anti-vax is the opposite of safe. It’s not about feeling prepared, because anti-vax is lack of preparation, it’s about something else.  I don’t know what it is though.  One is likely a justification not a reason.

[Tristerin]

3 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

This prepper/anti-vax dichotomy perplexes and fascinated me.  There’s most likely a common motivational thread.  If there is it means the motivations I’ve been given to attribute to both behaviors is wrong.  It’s not about safety. Because anti-vax is the opposite of safe. It’s not about feeling prepared, because anti-vax is lack of preparation, it’s about something else.  I don’t know what it is though.  One is likely a justification not a reason.

That's odd to paint those boundary boxes as if its so simple.  Im not an anti-vax, lol, with kids to prove it (as if I need to).  They also have only received MMR vaccine, because that math is to much in favor of eradication.  

Then you go into the psychological aspect as if an expert lol.  

 

inb4 this wasn't pointed towards me lol

 

Im out, this thread is 1/10 not worth my time.

[Canoe]

On 2/4/2020 at 3:02 AM, Tristerin said:

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There is no direct benefit for me to get a flu shot.  Not sure how to continue on this.

That's incorrect. As above, your direct benefit is limited, your major benefit is from enough other people getting their flu shot. #science

 

Your choice to turn down that limited benefit. You still get that major benefit, complements of those that did get their shot.

 

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Latest updates, as of 9:40 pm EST, February 3, 2020.

 

Over 20,000 Confirmed cases.

Over 23,000 Suspected cases.

Over 43,000 Confirmed + Suspected cases.

 

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From CNHC Update ...

• ...including current 2,788 severe cases and 425 deaths. 632 patients so far have recovered and have been released. There are a total of 23,214 suspected cases.
• Currently, 221,015 close contacts have been followed-up, 12,755 was released from medical observation today and 171,329 are under medical observation.

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In looking at the wording of the CHNC Update, it appears that Recovered (and released) will only include those who recovered in hospital. Those not in Hospital, all those mild symptom cases turned away, will not be in the Recovered numbers when they recover.???

Astounding to see those numbers for those released from medical observation in the past day, and those still under medical observation.

 

 

 

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A report thought data indicated that there was not asympotomatic transmission. Bad news, there is.

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the director of NIAID had said this before: “There’s no doubt after reading [the NEJM] paper that asymptomatic transmission is occurring,” director of the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told journalists. “This study lays the question to rest.”

 

[Bombastinator]

22 minutes ago, Canoe said:

A report thought data indicated that there was not asympotomatic transmission. Bad news, there is.

 

So unknowing typhoid marys. Wonderful.  All those “stop everyone getting off the plane” people just got vindicated.

[Guest]

On 2/4/2020 at 3:02 AM, Tristerin said:

There is no direct benefit for me to get a flu shot.  Not sure how to continue on this.

Dude, You're not alone. I haven't had the flu in 8 years and never once a Flu shot.

 

This the Corona Virus thread. It's here in Chicago and I gotta read you guys bitching about flu shots.

 

On 2/4/2020 at 7:11 AM, Bombastinator said:

So unknowing typhoid marys. Wonderful.  All those “stop everyone getting off the plane” people just got vindicated.

I was watching this one particular video where there's no mention of the Virus in South America or Africa.

Either they have no way to detect it, it's not being reported or the least likely is not there at all. 

The bad part about this is if they detection rate is really that slow in SouthAmerica for example, it'll be a very bad situation.

[Bombastinator]

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I was watching this one particular video where there's no mention of the Virus in South America or Africa.

Either they have no way to detect it, it's not being reported or the least likely is not there at all. 

The bad part about this is if they detection rate is really that slow in SouthAmerica for example, it'll be a very bad situation.

Could be.  I’m hoping a vaccine gets created and distributed.  The slower this can be made to go the better.

[Guest]

Just now, Bombastinator said:

Could be.  I’m hoping a vaccine gets created and distributed.  The slower this can be made to go the better.

A vaccine for a Virus we've never encountered could take months to years. That's the part why it becomes a pandemic.

Needless to say, I've already started stocking food here. I'm not trusting this virus. It's a nasty one. We have no ammo against it.

[Canoe]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

So unknowing typhoid marys. Wonderful.  All those “stop everyone getting off the plane” people just got vindicated.

Nothing changed, really. Asymptomatic Transmission was how the data appeared from at least ~Jan 21st-ish. And the various protocols from multiple jurisdictions reflected that.

 

The report suggested otherwise; that would have been new, and "vindicated" those who "didn't believe in" Asymptomatic Transmission. Like a number of studies scrambling to find out what they can about 2019-nCoV, from genome through to "whatever can we measure or quantify", done ASAP in order to find as many pieces of the puzzle as soon as possible, to maximize detection, treatments and preventative measures. That has lead to some rushed findings in a number of cases. This was one such, a finding that claimed to counter "Asymptomatic Transmission", but has been corrected. It's embarrassing for those publishing that and other findings, but it is more important to correct as soon as known. Which it was. Researchers move forward with various findings with various confidence levels tied to them.

 

So far, no super-spreaders like was seen with SARS. However, there have been a few super-spreading events, like some staff in Wuhan hospitals, and a suspected large dinner event in Wuhan that is also suspected of being a super-spreading event.

 

"stop everyone getting off the plane" is just a cute phrase for the fact that there has to be protocols for dealing with a defined risk. It's just a proper control to route certain traffic to known locations that operate with advanced protocols, easier to monitor compliance with such protocols, and such protocols can quickly be disseminated for compliance as better data leads to better protocols.

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Canoe said:

Those not in Hospital, all those mild symptom cases turned away, will not be in the Recovered numbers when they recover.???

How can they if they have not been tested, hence not confirmed as being official cases...

Read the article I've pasted earlier. It's quite enlightening on that precise subject.

[Canoe]

[spartaman64]

18 hours ago, dalekphalm said:

Good - it annoys me when so many people skip it.

 

Sure it's not 100% effective (this year we're at about 60% effective) - but even if it doesn't prevent it entirely, it will limit severity and significantly reduce the time it affects you.

 

Plus people act like the Flu is harmless, despite the fact that something like 8500 Americans died from it last year.

ive defeated every flu ive gotten in 1-2 days and im scared of needles and would rather get the flu for a day or so

[dalekphalm]

Just now, spartaman64 said:

ive defeated every flu ive gotten in 1-2 days and im scared of needles and would rather get the flu for a day or so

If you "defeated" flu in 2-3 days, you probably never had the flu. Severe symptoms might subside in 2-3 days, but it typically takes 1-2 weeks overall.

 

What were your symptoms?

[spartaman64]

Just now, dalekphalm said:

If you "defeated" flu in 2-3 days, you probably never had the flu. Severe symptoms might subside in 2-3 days, but it typically takes 1-2 weeks overall.

 

What were your symptoms?

fever coughing etc

[Canoe]

Mortality Rate

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The following is a summary of Chinese National Health Commission news conference about susceptibility and mortality rate on February 4, 2020 [2]. The youngest patient is a 1-month-old newborn and the oldest is over 90. The mortality rate calculation is based on confirmed cases and it is likely that many non-severe cases are not diagnosed and considered for this calculation.

• The mortality rate in mainland China overall is 2.1%.
• Hubei Province accounts for 97% deaths with a rate of 3.1%.
• Wuhan city accounts for 74% deaths with a rate of 4.9%.
• The mortality rate in mainland China excluding Hubei Province is 0.16%.

Susceptible

• Males account for 2/3 of deaths.
• 80% deaths are over 60 years old.
• Over 75% deaths occurred with one or more comorbidities, including cardiovascular diseases, diabetes and tumors.

One of the reasons for the high mortality rate in Wuhan city is that there were only 110 beds from three designated hospitals during the early stage of this epidemic and a large number of severe cases were handled in non-designated hospitals.

 

[dalekphalm]

8 minutes ago, spartaman64 said:

fever coughing etc

Yeah sounds like you just had a cold. That seems more likely than having the flu for only 2-3 days.

[Canoe]

Depends on which flu. Some symptom periods are as short as 24 hours.

 

[Bombastinator]

24 minutes ago, Canoe said:

Mortality Rate

 

So according to official Chinese government numbers (and it must be noted that the Chinese government is the Chinese government) more or less a bad but not super bad flu.  Swine flu was more dangerous.  There are some differences in that unless/until a vaccine is developed it is hard to protect old people.  If they get a vaccine developed and keep on it the way they keep on influenza vaccine just making it part of the yearly vaccine regimen should do it.  For people outside affected area(s?) All that has to be done is slow the thing down enough to make time to ready protective measures.  The hysteria is causing more problems than the disease, possibly even in Wuhan.  Assuming Chinese government numbers are accurate.
 

The big question for purposes of this forum outside of humanitarian stuff which I am not discounting, if/how this will affect computer parts supply. 

[Canoe]

9 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

So according to official Chinese government numbers (and it must be noted that the Chinese government is the Chinese government) more or less a bad but not super bad flu.  Swine flu was more dangerous. ...

Too early to say.

From the last snapshot, there were 20,589 Confirmed cases, 2,788 of them in China are currently classed as Severe.

We only know the outcome of some of those Confirmed cases. 19,510 (95%), are unresolved.

 

Because the majority of Global Cases are in China, although the interim data for today looks improved, we need to wait for the CNHC's daily update. And we need a lot more resolved cases before we can have any confidence in what a final Mortality Rate may look like.

[Mister Woof]

https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-racism-asians-experience-fears-outbreak-2020-1

 

Anyone experience any of this?

 

I'm an American of Chinese descent, and I've experienced some level of apprehension whenever I cough or sneeze, but I'm not certain if it completely goes above the normal level of people afraid of sick people.

 

I have allergies and it is windy right now, so I have been sniffling more.

[Letgomyleghoe]

8 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

I'm an American of Chinese descent, and I've experienced some level of apprehension whenever I cough or sneeze, but I'm not certain if it completely goes above the normal level of people afraid of sick people.

 

I have allergies and it is windy right now, so I have been sniffling more.

no but where i work we're in contact with people and one of my co-workers has been coughing really bad and weezing and its giving me little anxiety 

 

it's a virus, it doesn't discriminate (race wise, not including imuno-comprimised), everyones  at equal risk, so everyone should be treated with equal caution.

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

no but where i work we're in contact with people and one of my co-workers has been coughing really bad and weezing and its giving me little anxiety 

Got a weird and possibly extreme hack: hepa respirator.  My sister has massive dust allergies so I bought one for her so she could clean her house.  Works a treat.  I’ve got pollen allergies so when it’s hay fever season I run a big hepa air filter in the house and it reduces annoyance without me having to resort to antihistamines.

[WkdPaul]

9 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

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yup, wife is Chinese, her parents are permanent residents and here in Canada.

 

My wife accompanied her mom to the hospital for an appointment she had (the appointment is for something minor and was scheduled before all this coronavirus stuff, so not related at all).

 

My mother in law was wearing a mask in the metro, people were actually scared and wouldn't sit or stand near my wife and her mom. My wife thought it was hilarious though!

[Letgomyleghoe]

On 2/4/2020 at 8:12 PM, Bombastinator said:

Got a weird and possibly extreme hack: hepa respirator.  My sister has massive dust allergies so I bought one for her so she could clean her house.  Works a treat.  I’ve got pollen allergies so when it’s hay fever season I run a big hepa air filter in the house and it reduces annoyance without me having to resort to antihistamines.

yeah the problem with that is i cant where a respirator at work, i have a few from removing abestos from ceilings and when i was struggling with sawdust from cutting wood for my deck. maybe if the panic kicks up i notch i might be able to 

 

ive just been making sure i dont touch my face or ears without washing my hands

 

On 2/4/2020 at 8:12 PM, wkdpaul said:

My mother in law was wearing a mask in the metro, people were actually scared and wouldn't sit or stand near my wife and her mom. My wife thought it was hilarious though!

dang thats kinda sad that people instantly think that she might have wuhan, i wonder if it's a race thing %100.

 

personally I get a lil paranoid and will move away whenever I see someone in a mask, doesnt matter if theyre old, young, hot, etc, i dont care and i will be moving away 

[Canoe]

19 minutes ago, scuff gang said:

it's a virus, it doesn't discriminate (race wise, not including imuno-comprimised), everyones  at equal risk, so everyone should be treated with equal caution.

Some days ago they released that 2019-nCoV has some affinity for a specific receptor in the lung surface. It was also said that asian males have around double the usual number of that receptor in their lungs.

 

[Mister Woof]

On 2/4/2020 at 8:12 PM, wkdpaul said:

yup, wife is Chinese, her parents are permanent residents and here in Canada.

 

My wife accompanied her mom to the hospital for an appointment she had (the appointment is for something minor and was scheduled before all this coronavirus stuff, so not related at all).

 

My mother in law was wearing a mask in the metro, people were actually scared and wouldn't sit or stand near my wife and her mom. My wife thought it was hilarious though!

Let's hope it doesn't extend to anything more severe than apprehension.

 

I've read some stories of physical attacks, but maybe one of the worst are the Chinese businesses. Many of these restaurants are small family business and essentially live month to month.

 

A few months of no business will bjry them. Meanwhile many of these people can't afford a day off, let alone time to go to china.

 

On 2/4/2020 at 8:31 PM, Canoe said:

Some days ago they released that 2019-nCoV has some affinity for a specific receptor in the lung surface. It was also said that asian males have around double the usual number of that receptor in their lungs.

 

I have controlled HTN and DM2 on top of being asian.

 

This virus has me pretty much scared shitless.

 

My son also has asthma. So yeah.