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old seasonic m12 600w psu and rtx2060 super question

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Posted · Original PosterOP

hello everybody,

i have this old seasonic m12 600w psu sitting around. it's 13 years old and I used it for a nice 6 years without any problems (even when I was into computers and did overclocking with a Q9550. it's all in the past now.) and then this pc got retired. money is a very big issue so I will definitely want to go with this psu instead of buying a new one if I can...

 

I am planning to build a new budget pc for 3d design and cpu/gpu rendering.

ryzen 9 3900x and a rtx 2060 super. (msi rtx 2060 super VENTUS GP)

all the psu calculators show smth around 450-500w for this rig.

 

I can not find an answer to this question on the internet:

because this psu is very old, would it be compatible with a rtx 2060 super? 

and since I will do no overclocking I am guessing 600w would be more than enough.

 

*(back in the day I was using geforce gtx460 and an overclocked intel q9550 with this psu without problems.)

*(i live in Turkey, so even if you may have some nice alternatives to this psu with low prices, it most probably is not available here but please advice if you have a recommendation. I will look into it.)

 

thanks in advance for good advices.  please do not bother coming to say only yes or no if you don't have a point.

 

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Don't get me wrong, but if you can afford a 3900X and a 2060 Super, then you should be able to afford saving a little more and buying a new PSU. You don't even need anything super expensive, a TX550M from Corsair or even a CX will do, but you never want to cheap out on the PSU, especially on a high-end system. The M12 PSUs weren't good even when they launched, so it being that old can only make matters worse. At least that's my take on it.


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You're spending a good amount of money on your rig, I would buy a new 600W PSU (at least bronze rated).

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Callin ryzen 9 3900x and rtx 2060 super budget. Man plz you are spendin atleast 1500 dollars to that pc. Save some more on psu. You could cheap out whit buying cheaper rtx 2060 model


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12 minutes ago, aygung said:

(back in the day I was using geforce gtx460 and an overclocked intel q9550 with this psu without problems.)

that's because the design that this PSU uses was much more relevant back then. aside from the modern things like sleep states and protections and whatever, this PSU is not independently regulated, which means its voltage delivery is much more suitable for old components instead of new components.

 

Under NO circumstances would I pair a 13 year old USED PSU with a $500 CPU. Just buy a 1660 super instead and used the saved cash for a new PSU that's actually good.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

What does that even mean?

 

Like gimme a circuit design on both ends and explain why this even matters.

It doesn't need a circuit design. I'm not the one to explicitly break down why group regulated power supplies can go out of spec, but if you disagree then hopefully you'd have your own explanation as to why. 

 

I don't mean that the PSU is non functional, but it's well understood that group reg was designed for components that did not use the 12v rail nearly as much, especially compared to 5v, which was a long time ago.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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21 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

I'm not the one to explicitly break down why group regulated power supplies can go out of spec, but if you disagree then hopefully you'd have your own explanation as to why.

I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. I'm asking you to explain

4 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

this PSU is not independently regulated, which means its voltage delivery is much more suitable for old components instead of new components.

If a circuit design comparison isn't needed, that's fine, but saying "it's well understood..." doesn't explain the above.

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46 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

If a circuit design comparison isn't needed, that's fine, but saying "it's well understood..." doesn't explain the above

Usually I link to the piece that @LukeSavenije wrote about "why not to buy a group regulated PSU in 2019 and on" since it's not really easy to abridge and it's an easy read.

 

But of course not really everyone wants to read a wall of text, they're often cool with "it's too old"


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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51 minutes ago, Mira Yurizaki said:

I'm asking you to explain

since @Fasauceome summoned me, have fun

 


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1 minute ago, LukeSavenije said:

since @Fasauceome summoned me, have fun

The 10 link limit is just such a shame


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 threadSeasonic Focus threadUserbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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Posted · Original PosterOP

thank you everyone for the comments. as i see i should get a new psu. thanks for the explanations. it helped. 

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5 hours ago, Fasauceome said:

this PSU is not independently regulated

It is independently regulated.

So many posts in this thread wasted on debating a false assumption...

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3 minutes ago, OrionFOTL said:

It is independently regulated.

So many posts in this thread wasted on debating a false assumption...

I think they're confusing lack of DC to DC for the +3.3V and +5V as group regulation.

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44 minutes ago, OrionFOTL said:

It is independently regulated.

that's... a weird config they did there, but it looks kinda like it?

 

i didn't check beforehand, but the conclusion ends up being the same

 

it's a psu from 2007, it's 2020, time to replace that thing


PSU Tier List 4.0//Motherboard Tier List//Community Standards//ATX Specification//Group Regulation//Topologies and Regulations//How many watts?//PSU Protections

Don't forget to quote or mention me

 

Primary PC:

Spoiler

CPU: I5-8600k 5.0ghz

GPU: GTX 1070 ti EVGA SC Gaming

RAM: 2x8 3333 mhz DDR4 Trident Z

MOBO: MSI Gaming Pro Carbon AC

HDD: 1 TB 7200 RPM Seagate Baracudda, 1 TB 5400 RPM Samsung Spinpoint HD103SI

SSD: Samsung 860 EVO 500 GB

Case: Cooler Master Masterbox Lite 5 RGB (modified)

PSU: Seasonic Focus GX650

 

Consoles:

Spoiler

PS4 Slim Glacier White 500 GB

PS4 FTP Special Edition 500 GB

PS3 Super Slim 500 GB

PS2 OG

Xbox OG

DS Lite White

DS Lite Black/blue

DS Lite Blue

DSI XL Orange

Gameboy Advanced Color

PS Vita v2

Wii

 

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