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NEW AMD BUILD - UPGRADING FORM 6 YR OLD PC

1 minute ago, BobbyPdue said:

It's large enough to use in the next build.  There's no point in saving $10 - $20 on a power supply.  It's money well spent on a component that will last for a decade or more. 

550w is plenty to use in the next build. and the rm650 is not needed at all. 

 

also 10-20€ saved is money that can be spent elsewhere. 

3 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

with a very nice cooler with a crazy discount

you will be suprised to find that that fairly close to its regular price. also its not that great. 

5 minutes ago, alvez said:

grab the cheapest kit. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€209.90 @ Globaldata) 
Motherboard: MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€90.90 @ Globaldata) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€74.10 @ Globaldata) 
Storage: Corsair MP510 480 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€74.90 @ Globaldata) 
Total: €529.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-22 15:06 CET+0100

 

if you really have to get new CPU and mobo, get this. 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello guys! 

 

After my first post regarding a new build, and many people saying I should go team AMD, you guys made my mind.

 

After going trough many posts of wich "RAM & Motherboard" I should get, I put this build together:

 

  • AMD Ryzen 5 3600 6-Core (3.6GHz-4.2GHz) 36MB AM4
  • Cooler Master MasterBox K500L
  • G.Skill Kit 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3600MHz Trident Z RGB CL18
  • MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX
  • SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB M.2 NVMe
  • Corsair RM 650 (2019) 80+ Gold

 

You can change it to other parts that will be a better cost/quality choice.

 

Waiting to hear from your, as you are always very helpfull!

 

 

THANKS!


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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I like it. But I don't like the looks, the cooling performance and the loudness of that weak Wraith cooler that comes with the 3600. I'd upgrade the cooling.

Also, with a better cooler the 3600 performs exactly the same as an 3600X. The 3600X comes with a better cooler, that's why it's pricier and performs better.

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8 minutes ago, alvez said:

SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB M.2 NVMe

you can fin cheaper ones that are as fast.

8 minutes ago, alvez said:

Corsair RM 650 (2019) 80+ Gold

go for txm or rmx, they are better than rm.

 

what's your country and budget? what gpu are you going to get? what is the purpose of the pc?

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16 minutes ago, alvez said:

You can change it to other parts that will be a better cost/quality choice.

this build doesnt have a GPU. so it wouldnt work in the first place as there is not integrated GPU. 

 

16 minutes ago, alvez said:

SSD Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB M.2 NVMe

overpriced, get a 500GB P1 or 660p for the same price. 

 

16 minutes ago, alvez said:

G.Skill Kit 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3600MHz Trident Z RGB CL18

drop to 3200mhz cl16 instead as unless that there is a minor cost increase, the money is better spent elsewhere. 

16 minutes ago, alvez said:

Corsair RM 650 (2019) 80+ Gold

overkill wattage, you just need 550w, and you can get much cheaper units like the Bitfenix formula Gold, MWE Gold from cooler master, TX550m or Pure Power 11 600w/cx550

 

16 minutes ago, alvez said:

MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX

you can also probably save money by getting the Gaming Plus Max from MSI. 

 

 

edit: if you allready have a GPU, use that, but you would gain more from just upgrading the GPU than the entire system with the exeption of the GPU if its the GPU in the signature. 

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Where is GPU?

 

Samsung EVo is over priced. intel660P, sabrent rocket.

 

550W is enough something like TXM.

 

 


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| CPU: i5-8250U Turbo 3.4Ghz | 

| RAM: 8 single-channel DDR4 2333mhz |

| Storage: 128GB Sandisk SSD + 1TB HTSG HDD

 | GPU: MX-150 4Gb 25 TDP |

| Monitor: LGMK430H-B |

| Audio: JBL 450BT Wireless Headset |

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44 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

this build doesnt have a GPU. so it wouldnt work in the first place as there is not integrated GPU. 

 

overpriced, get a 500GB P1 or 660p for the same price. 

 

drop to 3200mhz cl16 instead as unless that there is a minor cost increase, the money is better spent elsewhere. 

overkill wattage, you just need 550w, and you can get much cheaper units like the Bitfenix formula Gold, MWE Gold from cooler master, TX550m or Pure Power 11 600w/cx550

 

you can also probably save money by getting the Gaming Plus Max from MSI. 

 

 

edit: if you allready have a GPU, use that, but you would gain more from just upgrading the GPU than the entire system with the exeption of the GPU if its the GPU in the signature. 

 

Indeed. Do I read it correct? Z97 and I5 4690K? But only at 3.9ghz, why?!?

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49 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

you can fin cheaper ones that are as fast.

go for txm or rmx, they are better than rm.

 

what's your country and budget? what gpu are you going to get? what is the purpose of the pc?

Hey, this build should cost arround 680€, so the budget should not be more than this. I am in Portugal.

 

The GPU will be my old GPU, a Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 (cant purchase a new one by now).

 

Could you elaborate a little more on the PSU? Please.


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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2 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

 

Indeed. Do I read it correct? Z97 and I5 4690K? But only at 3.9ghz, why?!?

i dont know why you are quoting me here. 

1 minute ago, alvez said:

The GPU will be my old GPU, a Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 (cant purchase a new one by now).

just get a new GPU then, no point in upgrading the CPU based on your specs and then pick up a second stick of memmory off the used market. 

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2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i dont know why you are quoting me here. 

 

I fully agree, therefore the indeed.

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9 minutes ago, alvez said:

Hey, this build should cost arround 680€, so the budget should not be more than this. I am in Portugal.

 

The GPU will be my old GPU, a Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 (cant purchase a new one by now).

 

Could you elaborate a little more on the PSU? Please.

No wonder you can't afford a new gpu when the money is spent elsewhere. But spending it on the gpu would be the most reasonable, since your cpu isn't outdated and can go to 4.5ghz or even more. Your ddr3 1333 sucks, of course.

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48 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

this build doesnt have a GPU. so it wouldnt work in the first place as there is not integrated GPU. 

 

overpriced, get a 500GB P1 or 660p for the same price. 

 

drop to 3200mhz cl16 instead as unless that there is a minor cost increase, the money is better spent elsewhere. 

overkill wattage, you just need 550w, and you can get much cheaper units like the Bitfenix formula Gold, MWE Gold from cooler master, TX550m or Pure Power 11 600w/cx550

 

you can also probably save money by getting the Gaming Plus Max from MSI. 

 

 

edit: if you allready have a GPU, use that, but you would gain more from just upgrading the GPU than the entire system with the exeption of the GPU if its the GPU in the signature. 

Hey, thanks for the detailed comments.

 

The GPU is the one in the signature, and so is my current build, but I plan on buying a better one, not just now.

 

Do you think that I wont get any better performance by just building a new PC? Comparing to my old build.

 

Regarding the Motherboard, I can save arround 20€ there, and get the one you sugested.

 

Regarding the RAM, I can get:

G.Skill Kit 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz Aegis CL16, for 74€ 

G.Skill Kit 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz Trident Z Black CL16 for 96.10€

HyperX Kit 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4 3200MHz Predator RGB CL16 for 104.89 €

 

THANKS ALOT!

 

 


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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53 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

overkill wattage, you just need 550w, and you can get much cheaper units like the Bitfenix formula Gold, MWE Gold from cooler master, TX550m or Pure Power 11 600w/cx550

It's large enough to use in the next build.  There's no point in saving $10 - $20 on a power supply.  It's money well spent on a component that will last for a decade or more. 

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8 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

i dont know why you are quoting me here. 

just get a new GPU then, no point in upgrading the CPU based on your specs and then pick up a second stick of memmory off the used market. 

its currently at 4.2 GHZ

 

The RAM, yes , its shit really.. and really OLD.


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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5 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

No wonder you can't afford a new gpu when the money is spent elsewhere. But spending it on the gpu would be the most reasonable, since your cpu isn't outdated and can go to 4.5ghz or even more. Your ddr3 1333 sucks, of course.

Well the purpouse is to get a newer GPU later and not the other way around, but do you think that I wont get any better performance by just building a new PC?

 

Comparing to my old build.


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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Just now, alvez said:

Well the purpouse is to get a newer GPU later and not the other way around, but do you think that I wont get any better performance by just building a new PC?

 

Comparing to my old build.

until you get the new gpu, you won't get a big increase in games from the i5 to the r5.

however, once the new gpu comes in, your new 3600 will help much more than the old 4690

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1 minute ago, alvez said:

its currently at 4.2 GHZ

 

The RAM, yes , its shit really.. and really OLD.

You can get used ddr3 very cheap, 1866CL10 at least. It may be at $40 for 16gb/4x4 or 2x8.

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1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

until you get the new gpu, you won't get a big increase in games from the i5 to the r5.

however, once the new gpu comes in, your new 3600 will help much more than the old 4690

I will be playing, CSGO, COD MW(2019) and League of Legends. I am not that into new games unless its a good FPS.


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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1 minute ago, BobbyPdue said:

It's large enough to use in the next build.  There's no point in saving $10 - $20 on a power supply.  It's money well spent on a component that will last for a decade or more. 

550w is plenty to use in the next build. and the rm650 is not needed at all. 

 

also 10-20€ saved is money that can be spent elsewhere. 

3 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

with a very nice cooler with a crazy discount

you will be suprised to find that that fairly close to its regular price. also its not that great. 

5 minutes ago, alvez said:

grab the cheapest kit. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€209.90 @ Globaldata) 
Motherboard: MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€90.90 @ Globaldata) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€74.10 @ Globaldata) 
Storage: Corsair MP510 480 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€74.90 @ Globaldata) 
Total: €529.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-22 15:06 CET+0100

 

if you really have to get new CPU and mobo, get this. 

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Just now, alvez said:

I will be playing, CSGO, COD MW(2019) and League of Legends. I am not that into new games unless its a good FPS.

monitor your cpu and gpu usage while playing those games. if gpu is 100% and cpu less than 50%, upgrade gpu first. if the other way around, upgrade cpu first.

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2 minutes ago, boggy77 said:

monitor your cpu and gpu usage while playing those games. if gpu is 100% and cpu less than 50%, upgrade gpu first. if the other way around, upgrade cpu first.

I have monitored, CPU is always at 100%. one undred percent of the time, while playing COD MW.


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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4 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

550w is plenty to use in the next build. and the rm650 is not needed at all. 

 

also 10-20€ saved is money that can be spent elsewhere. 

you will be suprised to find that that fairly close to its regular price. also its not that great. 

grab the cheapest kit. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€209.90 @ Globaldata) 
Motherboard: MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€90.90 @ Globaldata) 
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  (€74.10 @ Globaldata) 
Storage: Corsair MP510 480 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€79.99 @ Corsair) 
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€74.90 @ Globaldata) 
Total: €529.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-22 15:06 CET+0100

 

if you really have to get new CPU and mobo, get this. 

Wont I feel any diference with slight slower RAM? 

 

THANKS ALOT


| Case: Cooler Master Elite 371 | Cpu: i5 4690K @ 4.20 GHz | Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo | Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 3 |

 | Gpu: Gigabyte G1 Gaming GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 | SSD: Crucial MX100 256 GB | HDD: Samsung 128GB Ram: Kingston 8GB DDR3 1333MHz | 

| Screen: Benq XL2411Z | Mouse: Logitech G 403 | Mousepad: SteelSeries QcK+ NiP Edition | Keyboard: Steelseries 6GV2 | Headset: Kingston Hyper X Cloud |

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5 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

rm650 is not needed at all

What if they want to upgrade to the top tier CPU and GPU in 3 - 4 years?  What if dual GPUs make a come back? What if components increase in power draw in the next 5 - 6 years?  There is no way to know how much power will be "good enough" in the future. Do whatever you want if you want to save a couple of Euro's go for it.  

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Just now, alvez said:

Wont I feel any diference with slight slower RAM? 

there are differences, but you are better off saving the money and putting it towards a GPU of sorts if you need that. 

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