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Need feedback on choosing a CPU.

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I would prefer to keep my CPU choice under $200. I'm currently on a B450 board, the Gigabyte Aorus Pro WiFi, and am therefore limited to Ryzen, as I have no interest in buying a new board, nor do I feel Intel offers compelling, competitive CPUs at this price point. As for the chip I'm upgrading from, it's The Ryzen 3 1200. I'm considering the 2600, the 2700 (not the 2700X), and the 3600. What's got me a little torn is:

 

1, Whether the jump in performance between 2nd and 3rd gen Ryzen is enough for the 3600 to be worth the extra ~$70 over the 2600.

2. Whether the extra two cores on the 2700 make it worth the extra ~$30 over the 2600.

My current GPU is a 1050Ti, and I'll be upgrading to either a 1660 Super, or a 5600XT. Not sure yet, waiting for benchmarks. I'm looking to hit 1080p 75 FPS minimum in most modern titles (SotTR, RDR2, Spyro Reignited, Darksiders 3 and Darksiders Genesis, etc), with a strong preference to be able to go as high as 144 FPS. What should I get?

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is it worth it, yes, should you get it, up to you, ask you wallet what you need more.
reminder that a gpu upgrade is usually better for gaming than a cpu upgrade, so spending more might not mean as much more depending on your situation.


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2000 series, 2700X or bust, get the 3600X if you can afford that instead.

Non X versions are lower clocked. Performance comes from IPC and clock speed.

If you can't afford the 3600X(non X) get the 2700X for the clocks.

 

Also, with a B450 board, you are less likely to have issues at first post while the B450 supports the 2000chips but may not be shipped with the proper bios to support the 3000 chips. 

 

 


 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

2000 series, 2700X or bust, get the 3600X if you can afford that instead.

Non X versions are lower clocked. Performance comes from IPC and clock speed.

If you can't afford the 3600X(non X) get the 2700X for the clocks.

 

Also, with a B450 board, you are less likely to have issues at first post while the B450 supports the 2000chips but may not be shipped with the proper bios to support the 3000 chips. 

 

 

Right, but the IPC will be the same because it's the same architecture and number of cores. So I can just overclock to make up the performance lost from lack of clock speed. The 2700 non-X is $150 for me, and the 2700X is like $180. I don't see the point in spending $30 to have it overclocked for me, when I could spend that money on faster shipping, or save it for a GPU. So whichever CPU I get, it will be the non-X version.

 

That aside, you think the 2700 would be the better buy over the 3600?

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I'm kind of torn in answering your question.  I had a similar dilemma when I purchased my 3600 and was checking different builds aswell as benchmark results and the 3600 does beat the 2700 in gaming as the extra cores are not yet useful.  I went with a 3600 and my friend a 2600 and to be honest there was no real noticeable difference.  I in no way regret my purchase and find that in terms of future proofing I'm glad ingot the 3600 but had there been a larger price difference would've been just as happy with the 2600.  I would reccomend something in the range of a 1070 or 1080 as a gpu if you do want that higher refresh rate and with the latest rtx cards you can get those on the cheap.

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1 hour ago, ClusterJones said:

Right, but the IPC will be the same because it's the same architecture and number of cores. So I can just overclock to make up the performance lost from lack of clock speed. The 2700 non-X is $150 for me, and the 2700X is like $180. I don't see the point in spending $30 to have it overclocked for me, when I could spend that money on faster shipping, or save it for a GPU. So whichever CPU I get, it will be the non-X version.

 

That aside, you think the 2700 would be the better buy over the 3600?

My end opinion is.....

you are not buying a top end video card, your performance difference may only be that of 10fps for all I know, neither 3600 or 2700 would not bottleneck a 1660 or 5600xt as they are more or less entry level gaming cards. 

That said, the compatibility issue is a thing, I've been seeing a lot of 3000 series chips not posting in B450 chipset boards for lack of the bios to support it when shipped out.

You have a 50% chance that a Ryzen 3600 will post in a B450 chipset. Flip a coin, that's your chances.

 

Ryzen 2700 is my vote on a B450 board.


 

Lid-less PGA 2700x / ROG B450-I Gaming / G.Skill 3600mhz B-Die / GTX 980 bmod / Antec 850w CP series

Lid-less 8700K / Maximus X Hero / G.Skill 4266mhz B-Die / VGA any benching rig / Antec 1000w CP series

Ryzen 5 1400 / Asus Prime A320M-K / Corsair LPX 3000mhz / GTX-980 Bios modded / EVGA 750 / HTPC

Ryzen Athlon 220ge with Vega Graphics / Asus Prime B450M-A / Corsair LED 3000mhz / 550w Antec Office PC.

DFI LanParty UT / 4000+ ClawHammer / DDR Corsair XMS Expert / X1800 XT 256MB Bios modded

Asus CrossHair Formula IV / Phenom II x4 B97 / Dominator GT 2000mhz. / EVGA GTX 770

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Posted · Original PosterOP
56 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

My end opinion is.....

you are not buying a top end video card, your performance difference may only be that of 10fps for all I know, neither 3600 or 2700 would bottleneck a 1660 or 5600xt as they are more or less entry level gaming cards. 

That said, the compatibility issue is a thing, I've been seeing a lot of 3000 series chips not posting in B450 chipset boards for lack of the bios to support it when shipped out.

You have a 50% chance that a Ryzen 3600 will post in a B450 chipset. Flip a coin, that's your chances.

 

Ryzen 2700 is my vote on a B450 board.

Well I can always update the BIOS. That does introduce another risk factor, though, and that's like ehhhhh...not sure I wanna do that. I think I'm gonna go with the 2600, unless I see the 2700 on sale any time soon.

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