help with choice of cpu cooler

[cachowww]

hey everyone, I'm torn in which cpu cooler I should get for my system that isn't too expensive but should keep my temps low and not be too noisy. At the moment I am choosing between the cryorig H7 and the hyper 212 black edition however any other suggestions are also welcome! thanks  

[Bombastinator]

What is price difference between 3600 with cooler and 3600x with no cooler?  Coolers chosen are better and quieter but not by very much.  If price of 3600x is nearly the same as 3600 it may be worth it.  Only if though.  Last I looked in one place they were not.

[Spakes]

I'd say go for Hyper 212 EVO, since it has more potential in terms of cooling.

[Jurrunio]

Prefer Hyper 212 Black

 

11 minutes ago, Spakes said:

I'd say go for Hyper 212 EVO, since it has more potential in terms of cooling.

more potential than what? It's worse than the Black in every way but the price, which you should get the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 instead since they do the same thing just as good

[cachowww]

24 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Prefer Hyper 212 Black

 

more potential than what? It's worse than the Black in every way but the price, which you should get the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 instead since they do the same thing just as good

alright I'll go for the hyper 212 black, thanks for your help! the only reason I wanted to go h7 is because it's quieter, a bit cheaper and has a higher cfm (49 vs 42 of hyper 212 black)

[cachowww]

2 minutes ago, cachowww said:

alright I'll go for the hyper 212 black, thanks for your help! the only reason I wanted to go h7 is because it's quieter, a bit cheaper and has a higher cfm (49 vs 42 of hyper 212 black)

also would the rgb version be more worth for an extra $8?

[Bombastinator]

23 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Prefer Hyper 212 Black

 

more potential than what? It's worse than the Black in every way but the price, which you should get the Deepcool Gammaxx 400 instead since they do the same thing just as good

My experience is that a 4 pipe cooler is basically a 4 pipe cooler unless something funny has been done to cheapen the pipes.  The coolers Themselves are basically similar.  The fans are different though.  The 212 traditionally has a sleeve bearing fan so inexpensive and quiet, but slightly quick to wear.  Much quicker if placed horizontally.  I don’t know about the gammax fan. It is listed as “hydro bearing” which means little to me.  It may be the same or different.  A lot of fans have modified rifle bearings instead of sleeves now.  The difference in this case is if the fan is going to have to go up/down in the case or not.  If not  the next thing up for consideration is the mounting.  The 212 has some side clips that direct airflow.  They can also be a bit of a PITA.

[Bombastinator]

9 minutes ago, cachowww said:

alright I'll go for the hyper 212 black, thanks for your help! the only reason I wanted to go h7 is because it's quieter, a bit cheaper and has a higher cfm (49 vs 42 of hyper 212 black)

There is one consideration that may favor the gammax.  If the position is up/down you may find the hyper212 fan wears quickly and gets loud.  It’s a long term thing.  It will be quieter for the first several months.

[Jurrunio]

47 minutes ago, cachowww said:

alright I'll go for the hyper 212 black, thanks for your help! the only reason I wanted to go h7 is because it's quieter, a bit cheaper and has a higher cfm (49 vs 42 of hyper 212 black)

Kitguru's reviews (different CPU tested, so used Arctic Freezer 280 results as scaler) suggests that the Black is cooler, though no noise comparisons.

 

41 minutes ago, Bombastinator said:

My experience is that a 4 pipe cooler is basically a 4 pipe cooler unless something funny has been done to cheapen the pipes.  The coolers Themselves are basically similar.  The fans are different though.  The 212 traditionally has a sleeve bearing fan so inexpensive and quiet, but slightly quick to wear.  Much quicker if placed horizontally.  I don’t know about the gammax fan. It is listed as “hydro bearing” which means little to me.  It may be the same or different.  A lot of fans have modified rifle bearings instead of sleeves now.  The difference in this case is if the fan is going to have to go up/down in the case or not.  If not  the next thing up for consideration is the mounting.  The 212 has some side clips that direct airflow.  They can also be a bit of a PITA.

Deepcool 400 is a copy of the Hyper 212 Evo, they just changed the mounting (so instead of the annoying X they use pushpins for Intel). The fan should still be a sleeve bearing, just because there's no other bearing type you can expect from something this cheap.

[cachowww]

hey man do you know if 450w is enough for this build? https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/benjmg/saved/vtMp23 or would it better if I went 550w for an extra $26?

[Bombastinator]

28 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Kitguru's reviews (different CPU tested, so used Arctic Freezer 280 results as scaler) suggests that the Black is cooler, though no noise comparisons.

 

Deepcool 400 is a copy of the Hyper 212 Evo, they just changed the mounting (so instead of the annoying X they use pushpins for Intel). The fan should still be a sleeve bearing, just because there's no other bearing type you can expect from something this cheap.

The difference in actual construction between a sleeve bearing and a rifle bearing is a spiral groove in the side.  With a modified rifle bearing like a fluid dynamic bearing Theres is also some very small wave patterns in the plastic to help distribute lubricant.  Noctua charges a premium because they have rep.  The hyper212 comes at a premium because it has rep.  So the fan is potentially cheaper and the cooler is potentially cheaper for the same quality, so it’s possible.  It’s also possible “hydro bearing” just means “sleeve” though.  I don’t know.  If the “hydro bearing” is even a regular old rifle bearing it would probably last longer in a horizontal mount.  It would need to be checked though.  If the mounting is vertical it doesn’t really matter, and if the gammax fan is sleeve it’s just worse, because those plates on the side of the hyper212 do help a bit.

[WoodenMarker]

3 hours ago, cachowww said:

also would the rgb version be more worth for an extra $8?

It performs a bit better but is noisier due to the higher number of fan blades. The rest of the cooler is the same. It's up to you if you would pay more for that and a bit of lighting. 

I recommend trying the stock cooler first. You can always decide to replace it later if you're not satisfied with it. 

There are also better coolers for the money than the Hyper 212 RGB BE if you're not getting it for the looks. For example, the Windale 6 would be better: https://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=4334913

3 hours ago, cachowww said:

hey man do you know if 450w is enough for this build? https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/user/benjmg/saved/vtMp23 or would it better if I went 550w for an extra $26?

Yes, it'd be enough but you might save more money in the long run by getting a psu that can better support a more power hungry graphics card in the future.

[cachowww]

30 minutes ago, WoodenMarker said:

It performs a bit better but is noisier due to the higher number of fan blades. The rest of the cooler is the same. It's up to you if you would pay more for that and a bit of lighting. 

I recommend trying the stock cooler first. You can always decide to replace it later if you're not satisfied with it. 

There are also better coolers for the money than the Hyper 212 RGB BE if you're not getting it for the looks. For example, the Windale 6 would be better: https://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=4334913

Yes, it'd be enough but you might save more money in the long run by getting a psu that can better support a more power hungry graphics card in the future.

I wouldn't be getting the rgb version especially for looks but rather for the higher cfm but if they're basically the exact same but the black edition is quieter I'll go for the black instead

 

I also decided I'll probably just stick with the 550w as a little more future proof and better performance and I won't be making too many big upgrades in the future

[WoodenMarker]

6 hours ago, cachowww said:

I wouldn't be getting the rgb version especially for looks but rather for the higher cfm but if they're basically the exact same but the black edition is quieter I'll go for the black instead

The Hyper 212 RGB BE does perform better due to the different fan so the effective result isn't exactly the same. They're not far apart though. 

 

The Windale 6 I mentioned is actually a bit taller than what the case clearance is specified for so it probably wouldn't fit -- my bad. 

[freeagent]

You've got enough room to fit a Le Grand Macho RT, as good as a D15 but without clearance issues. As a side note, this cooler can be used passively.