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Best of lower tier or worst of higher one?

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I am not about to buy a new GPU right now but I just thought about this.

 

Would it be better to buy say (and this is only naming example, not to be taken literally) the best 2070 or would it be better to buy the worst 2080? Say hybrid water cooled lower one vs reference higher one (without planning on getting it on water or any additional costs?)

 

To be honest, this is just a purely out of interest, lazy question, I did not make any comparisons myself. I guess the higher worst one would probably always be better in terms of performance but way worse in case of thermals, noise etc.?

 

If you did not look or think about this yourself before, I am not asking anyone to do so, I am just asking if anyone did and have an easy somewhat all around answer to this.

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Usually the worst higher tier performs better, but there is more to buying one than just pure fps numbers.  Each person has their own priority list when buying.

 

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Lorant said:

Usually the worst higher tier performs better, but there is more to buying one than just pure fps numbers.  Each person has their own priority list when buying.

 

 

Of course an answer to this is not black and white. I know for sure that I would rather get extremely stable, quiet and cool one tier lower card than inferno hellicopter higher tier one over few FPS and everyone else will have their own point of view so there probably is not even any general answer to this question but I still do wonder even for subjective opinions.

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It will depend on prices?

I guess in my case it would be "worst higher" anyway, since they way I buy is:

  1. compare performance of stock, reference, or average cards based on each GPU
  2. compare the price of cheapest non-blower model available
  3. decide GPU on price/performance basis, get the cheapset non-blower card based on that GPU

or at least that's when buying new. When getting a used card, prices tend to be all over the place, so it's more of a case-by-case basis.

 

TL;DR I don't pay much attention to "extras" different models offer, so it's 90% a GPU comparison for me.

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Worst higher tier is better because this time Nvidia's reference design isn't bad at all. That said I question why not the 2070S, if you also want better cooling than reference.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
48 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Worst higher tier is better because this time Nvidia's reference design isn't bad at all. That said I question why not the 2070S, if you also want better cooling than reference.

Because "(and this is only naming example, not to be taken literally)"

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1 minute ago, Ergroilnin said:

Because "(and this is only naming example, not to be taken literally)"

but is it still 20 series? Otherwise reference design could be terrible


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

but is it still 20 series? Otherwise reference design could be terrible

"I am not about to buy a new GPU right now but I just thought about this.", "To be honest, this is just a purely out of interest"

 

I do not want to be an ass, but did you read the post at all?

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31 minutes ago, Ergroilnin said:

"I am not about to buy a new GPU right now but I just thought about this.", "To be honest, this is just a purely out of interest"

 

I do not want to be an ass, but did you read the post at all?

I did read, but I have to be specific because things are very different with every GPU. I dont want to type in a wall of text


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Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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Usually the difference between those cards is big enough that a really good cooled and overclocked card is still worse than the next higher tier one. 

BUT

there is one exception Wich is Nvidias kindof poor reaction models to amd. For example the 1070ti Wich was in some cases actually the way better choice over an 1080. 

They should've just cut prices on the 1080if you ask me. But they'll know what they're doing. 

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Worst of higher tier for sure !!! 
Lets say you buy cheapest 2080, it may have a bit worse cooling (which you can easy replace if you want) but still gonna perform like 2080.

When you buy 2070 it may have excellent cooling and better oc out of the box, but even if you oc it yourself you wouldn’t be hitting performance of higher tier card.


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6 hours ago, Ergroilnin said:

Of course an answer to this is not black and white. I know for sure that I would rather get extremely stable, quiet and cool one tier lower card than inferno hellicopter higher tier one over few FPS and everyone else will have their own point of view so there probably is not even any general answer to this question but I still do wonder even for subjective opinions.

it's actually pretty clear cut, worst of the higher tier is better, u can downclock/power limit a 2080S and it'd still blow a 2070S out of the water


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