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Best card to pair with a Ryzen 5 3600 for 1080p 60fps gaming

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Posted · Original PosterOP

So I'm looking to buy a new pc and wondering which gpu to pair my future cpu with. So far I've boiled my choices down to either a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1660 Super. the price difference is around 50ish € (1660 is around 230 and 1070 around 280). Which one should I get for 1080p gaming and why? Is there a better one on a budget?

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15 minutes ago, RandomKidd said:

So I'm looking to buy a new pc and wondering which gpu to pair my future cpu with. So far I've boiled my choices down to either a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1660 Super. the price difference is around 50ish € (1660 is around 230 and 1070 around 280). Which one should I get for 1080p gaming and why? Is there a better one on a budget?

how much is a RX 5700?


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6 minutes ago, RetroGeneral said:

pick an amd card dummy 

5700 for example 

It's not only more expensive, but also delivers poorer performance. The 5700 and 5700xt are at least 100+ more expensive, whilst delivering poorer performance, according to benchmarks

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Just now, RandomKidd said:

It's not only more expensive, but also delivers poorer performance. The 5700 and 5700xt are at least 100+ more expensive, whilst delivering poorer performance, according to benchmarks

5700 is only slightly slower than 2060 super and you can get one from German Amazon for 349€. There's also 5600 coming out.

Out of the two you mentioned, I would personally choose the 1660 super, but that's mostly because I don't like buying used parts.

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Just now, Gaires said:

5700 is only slightly slower than 2060 super and you can get one from German Amazon for 349€. There's also 5600 coming out.

Out of the two you mentioned, I would personally choose the 1660 super, but that's mostly because I don't like buying used parts.

You think that it's be better to save up a bit more and go for the 5700 rather than the 1660 super?

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8 minutes ago, RandomKidd said:

You think that it's be better to save up a bit more and go for the 5700 rather than the 1660 super?

If you only care about fps, yes.

Nvidia drivers have better features, and some people have a lot of problems with amd drivers.

Personally haven't had any problems with my 5700xt, nor did I have any problems with rx 480.

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1 minute ago, boggy77 said:

for 1080p, the 1660 super is enough. only thing to wait for, if you want, is the 5600

You think it'll be in the same price range as the 1660 super is today?

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1 minute ago, RandomKidd said:

You think it'll be in the same price range as the 1660 super is today?

Should be, since 5500 starts at 200€ for 4gb model and 5700 starts at 350€

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12 minutes ago, Gaires said:

Should be, since 5500 starts at 200€ for 4gb model and 5700 starts at 350€

When is it set to release?

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15 minutes ago, RetroGeneral said:

not sure which benchmarks you watched but the 5700 is better not to mention the pcie 4 lane which fits nicely with the 3600x, at least if you have a pcie 4 mobo 

it is about 10% faster then both 1660Ti and 1070 

if you want to have a pick between both cards the 1660Ti is more modern with about the same performance but the 1070 is a higher tier level which also counts for something…
my pick would have been the 1660Ti ( i have a 2060s )

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1660-Ti-vs-AMD-RX-5700/4037vs4046 
https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GTX-1070-vs-AMD-RX-5700/3609vs4046

Oh wow, looks like I saw wrong haha. Thanks

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5700 is about even with a 2060s, 5700xt is slightly behind a 2070s.

 

That said, if you are indeed only aiming for a 1080p/60 target, both cards are a bit overkill for the immediate gaming environment.

 

Something like a 1660 super or a EVGA B-Stock 1660 Ti for $219 might be more reasonable for that performance target.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8


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30 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

5700 is about even with a 2060s, 5700xt is slightly behind a 2070s.

 

That said, if you are indeed only aiming for a 1080p/60 target, both cards are a bit overkill for the immediate gaming environment.

 

Something like a 1660 super or a EVGA B-Stock 1660 Ti for $219 might be more reasonable for that performance target.

 

https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=8

5700 XT is slightly behind the 2070 SUPER but ahead of the 2070.  I think the 5700 is pretty much in the same boat, behind the 2060 SUPER but ahead of the 2060.  The biggest thing is that the 5700XT only costs about the same as a 2060 SUPER despite nearly matching a 2070 Super.  The value per dollar is much, much more highly in AMDs favor, at least at the 5700/5700XT level.

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1 minute ago, Midnitewolf said:

5700 XT is slightly behind the 2070 SUPER but ahead of the 2070.  I think the 5700 is pretty much in the same boat, behind the 2060 SUPER but ahead of the 2060.  The biggest thing is that the 5700XT only costs about the same as a 2060 SUPER despite nearly matching a 2070 Super.  The value per dollar is much, much more highly in AMDs favor, at least at the 5700/5700XT level.

oh i agree

 

i picked up a cheap 5700xt for only $369, and at that price, you're getting almost 2070s perf. at a pretty significant discount. although, if you care about RTX or NVENC then the 2070s is the obvious choice.


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16 minutes ago, RetroGeneral said:

excuse me? I play with a 2060super and would in a lot of cases in no regard call it overkill.... games such as Mass Effect Andromeda, or the latest Total War expect full power from a 2060super on special ultra settings 1080p 60 hz …. not to mention games such as Red dead or Assasins Creed... 

no good sir you have no clue what you are talking about

Mr. defensive over here....

 

Obviously there's exceptions, but in real life nobody should be playing on ultra anyway so even in those rare occasions, the 1660ti will do 60fps at 1080p with appropriately tuned settings. Hell, you can get pretty close with even an RX 580 if you make the right settings choices.

 

Saying a 1660 super/ti isn't enough for 1080p/60 is kind of hyperbolic.

 

Imo, 2060super+ is a 1080p/144 or 1440p/60 class card, even if sometimes you can't get 144fps in every game. 

 

I stand by my opinion that a 2060s+ card is a bit overkill for 1080p/60.

 

It's your right to disagree, but it's kind of juvenile to insult someone else for disagreeing with you.


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20 hours ago, Mister Woof said:

Mr. defensive over here....

 

Obviously there's exceptions, but in real life nobody should be playing on ultra anyway so even in those rare occasions, the 1660ti will do 60fps at 1080p with appropriately tuned settings. Hell, you can get pretty close with even an RX 580 if you make the right settings choices.

 

Saying a 1660 super/ti isn't enough for 1080p/60 is kind of hyperbolic.

 

Imo, 2060super+ is a 1080p/144 or 1440p/60 class card, even if sometimes you can't get 144fps in every game. 

 

I stand by my opinion that a 2060s+ card is a bit overkill for 1080p/60.

 

It's your right to disagree, but it's kind of juvenile to insult someone else for disagreeing with you.

Just to add my 2-cents.  If we are talking RDR2, with HIGH settings, not Ultra, the 1660ti barely gets 60 fps with 1% lows down to 52 fps at 1080p on a OC'ed 9900K so if you have anything other than the best current gaming processor, fairly aggressively OC'ed at that, your getting well below 60 fps in that game.  Metro Exodus is not quite this bad but it is close and I seem to recall the new Star Wars Jedi game is fairly demanding as well.  The point is games are only going to get more demanding as we move forward and if your already having to reduce your graphics settings down to high, med-high or even as low as medium to get a solid 60 fps, your just setting yourself up for disappointment a year or two from now.  

 

As for 2060/2060 Super, well honestly, as I see it, they aren't even close to overkill for 1080p/60fps, in fact I would say it is probably the minimum level of GPU you would want to buy if your looking 2 years into the future.  To be fair, I guess if your context is ONLY based on games available right now though, then you would be correct in saying a 2060s+ card is a bit overkill for 1080p/60 but I would expect most people buying a GPU today are looking for it to also perform 2,3 and even 4 years in the future.

 

 

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On 1/16/2020 at 10:02 AM, RandomKidd said:

It's not only more expensive, but also delivers poorer performance. The 5700 and 5700xt are at least 100+ more expensive, whilst delivering poorer performance, according to benchmarks

A RX 5700 is faster than a 2060 and marginally slower than a 2060 super. The 5700 XT is faster than a 2060 super and marginally slower than a 2070.

 

 

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On 1/16/2020 at 9:42 AM, RandomKidd said:

So I'm looking to buy a new pc and wondering which gpu to pair my future cpu with. So far I've boiled my choices down to either a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1660 Super. the price difference is around 50ish € (1660 is around 230 and 1070 around 280). Which one should I get for 1080p gaming and why? Is there a better one on a budget?

I would go for a RX 5700 (Best buy often has deals for just under $300 on the XFX version) and you can pretty much max all settings out at 1080 and get well over 60 fps in most games.\

 

If you're on a budget, get a RX 580 (usually around $140-150 new) but you may need to reduce graphics settings a little bit.

 

Both are excellent 1080 cards.

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22 minutes ago, Midnitewolf said:

Just to add my 2-cents.  If we are talking RDR2, with HIGH settings, not Ultra, the 1660ti barely gets 60 fps with 1% lows down to 52 fps at 1080p on a OC'ed 9900K so if you have anything other than the best current gaming processor, fairly aggressively OC'ed at that, your getting well below 60 fps in that game.  Metro Exodus is not quite this bad but it is close and I seem to recall the new Star Wars Jedi game is fairly demanding as well.  The point is games are only going to get more demanding as we move forward and if your already having to reduce your graphics settings down to high, med-high or even as low as medium to get a solid 60 fps, your just setting yourself up for disappointment a year or two from now.  

 

As for 2060/2060 Super, well honestly, as I see it, they aren't even close to overkill for 1080p/60fps, in fact I would say it is probably the minimum level of GPU you would want to buy if your looking 2 years into the future.  To be fair, I guess if your context is ONLY based on games available right now though, then you would be correct in saying a 2060s+ card is a bit overkill for 1080p/60 but I would expect most people buying a GPU today are looking for it to also perform 2,3 and even 4 years in the future.

 

 

If you read my first post, there's two things you will notice.

 

1. I said "a bit overkill". Not way overkill. But that said, even though some shit optimized games can't run at 60fps perfectly fine at 1080p/60, the vast majority will do over 100 and it's wasted on a 1080p/60 display. If he had a 1080p/144, then definitely a 2060s+ level card is a good choice.

 

2. I also said "immediate gaming environment".

 

If your opinion is that in oder to expect good 1080p/60 performance you need a $400 GPU, I disagree with you because clearly, this sub $250 market exists and every single one of these guys with 1660s and 1660ti would be whining and bitching on these forums they aren't good enough.

 

The truth is, more often then not, these GPU buster games are the exception, not the rule.

 

As far as your RDR2 reference, it doesn't matter what GPU you have over a 1660 if your CPU can't put out anyway.


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22 hours ago, RetroGeneral said:

excuse me? I play with a 2060super and would in a lot of cases in no regard call it overkill.... games such as Mass Effect Andromeda, or the latest Total War expect full power from a 2060super on special ultra settings 1080p 60 hz …. not to mention games such as Red dead or Assasins Creed... 

no good sir you have no clue what you are talking about

I've found that RDR and AC are very CPU intensive. I have a 5700 and my Ryzen 2600 is easily above 80% in those games...I have no problems maintaining 60 fps at 1080 though

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1 minute ago, steelo said:

I've found that RDR and AC are very CPU intensive. I have a 5700 and my Ryzen 2600 is easily above 80% in those games...

ACOD is one of those games that I feel is a terrible game to benchmark performance. It was designed to run at 30 fps locked, and the settings that bring even extremely powerful GPUs to their knees don't even make the game look good.

 

If anything, it's an example of how shitty the software is,not your hardware.

 

 


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6 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

ACOD is one of those games that I feel is a terrible game to benchmark performance. It was designed to run at 30 fps locked, and the settings that bring even extremely powerful GPUs to their knees don't even make the game look good.

 

If anything, it's an example of how shitty the software is,not your hardware.

 

 

I agree. I also play AC Unity (a game from 2014) that doesn't exactly seem to be well optimized to run well even on modern hardware.

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