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i5-7400 vs i5-7600K

KingPete12

I’m still relatively new to the PC building game but I have recently put together a few budget machines for the family so we can all play Fortnite together. My sons build is is the one in question since I started with a pre-built HP and stripped it down to try and save a few bucks. Aiming to get him at 144 FPS I thought the i5-7400 that was in that system would be enough, but we just got him a 1660ti for Christmas and the CPU usage is 100% and stuttering pretty bad unless I limit the frame rate to 60 FPS. Everything worked fine on the old setup but that was only a Radeon r7 card that barely got 60 even with medium settings. The on screen counter and MSI afterburner both show he’s getting about 90 FPS with everything set to epic but the cpu usage is pegged at 100% on all cores with anything but 60 locked. Long story short I have found an i5-7600K on a local marketplace for about $100 and I am wondering if that speed increase will make the game playable or would it need to be a jump into an i7 to get the extra threads? I don’t really have the money to upgrade it all now and since I just built 4 machines so even the $100 is pushing it but if the upgrade won’t make a difference I guess all we can do is leave it locked for now. The monitor is a dell bby-3cy31e 24” and this is the rest of the specs
 

Intel core i5-7400 cpu

Stock CPU cooler

2x8GB Samsung 2400mhz DDR4 ram

Insignia 550 watt 80 plus Bronze power supply

GTX 1660 Ti 6GB GDDR6 GPU

Inland pro 256GB M.2 boot drive

Toshiba 1TB 7200 RPM HHD

AS Rock Z270 Killer Mobo


so far fortnite and roblox is all we play but I’d like to do some overwatch and apex in the future. Any help is appreciated. Thanks

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7 minutes ago, KingPete12 said:

I am wondering if that speed increase will make the game playable

I mean, 60fps and 90fps are both plenty playable

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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The 7400 is pretty terrible, the 7600K would be a big improvement but it's hard to justify for its usual asking price in the used market. The $100 asking price is not so bad but I'd favor an $80 price point quite a lot more

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I mean, 60fps and 90fps are both plenty playable

Sorry I meant playable at 144 FPS. I agree that it is enough but he saw how smooth mine is at 120 and the idea was getting him the better GPU would have accomplished that. 

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I would say go for the 7600k as long since you have an overclockable motherboard. A 4 core cpu can still do pretty well especially if you raise the clock speeds a bit, but you will probably need a better cooler. You still will probably be cpu bottlenecked, but I use to play PUBG really well on a 6600k.

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26 minutes ago, KingPete12 said:

Sorry I meant playable at 144 FPS. I agree that it is enough but he saw how smooth mine is at 120 and the idea was getting him the better GPU would have accomplished that. 

apart from 7600k, you should also check out the older 6600k and 6700k. Same technology anyway

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 hour ago, Fasauceome said:

The 7400 is pretty terrible

No, it is not terrible, except the price, but performance is fine.

 

1 hour ago, KingPete12 said:

I have found an i5-7600K on a local marketplace for about $100

If it works right then I say yes, and maybe there is some haggle room. Your may have a little to moderate fps increase in some games and lowering the game's detail settings along with lowering the AA setting will help a bit.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap)
RAM: 32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair Vengance LPX 3200Mhz CL16
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: 1tb Samsung 970 evo m.2 nvme
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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42 minutes ago, MadAnt250 said:

No, it is not terrible, except the price, but performance is fine.

 

from personal experience I'd have to disagree, it struggled in most of the titles I played most

I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

How many watts do I needATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explainedgroup reg is bad

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The i5 6400 and 7400 are known to have stuttering issues. Same happened when I paired my 980ti lightening with my wifeys i5 6400.

I'll recommend to wait a bit and upgrade to a Ryzen based system later on. Also, $100 for a 7600k isn't worth it.

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CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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If you are buying used you can probably get an i7-7700K for a price similar to an I5-7600K.

80+ ratings certify electrical efficiency. Not quality.

 

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I originally considered the 7700k but the price kinda excludes it for me. I just wasn’t sure if the 7600k would be enough of an improvement over the 7400 to get to at least 120 FPS in those games. I agree for the around $250- $300 eBay price range for a 7700k I might as well just wait and go Ryzen 2600X with a new board

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I'll recommend you to sell your CPU + Mobo combo for around $120-130.

 

And purchase this...

You can reuse your memory. Just OC it as high as possible.

 

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CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor  ($85.00) The Ryzen 5 1600 AF is available on amazon.com for $85. It is basically a Ryzen 5 2600 with first gen IMC. It is based on 12nm.
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($79.98 @ Amazon) Pretty decent Mobo for it's price.
Total: $164.98
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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CPU - Ryzen 7 3700X

Mobo - ASRock X470 Taichi

Memory - G.Skill Trident Z RGB (8x2 3200MHz) 

Storage - Sabrent Rocket 1TB - Seagate Barracuda 2TBWD Black 1TB

GPU - MSI GeForce GTX 980Ti LIGHTNING

CaseFractal Design Meshify C

PSUSuper Flower Leadex II Gold 650W

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On 1/14/2020 at 11:24 PM, Fasauceome said:

from personal experience I'd have to disagree, it struggled in most of the titles I played most

From personal experience, It performed fine for me at a locked 60-75fps, I do not know what games you played where the 7400 struggled in, but the few games that I know where it may struggle are not that well optimized or to demanding to keep a steady 60fps.

 

Some of us don't have deep pockets and sometimes just being able to play games is enough.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap)
RAM: 32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair Vengance LPX 3200Mhz CL16
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: 1tb Samsung 970 evo m.2 nvme
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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12 hours ago, KingPete12 said:

I agree for the around $250- $300 eBay price range for a 7700k I might as well just wait and go Ryzen 2600X with a new board

2600x and 2700x are good value, and they come with a cooler. I upgraded to the 2600x from a 7400 and noticed an improvement, the i5 7400 was ok but the 2600x was better. So, from what I can gather from the intel 6th and 7th gen used market, is that Ryzen is the way to go because prices just keep getting more affordable.

Gaming With a 4:3 CRT

System specs below

 

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler 
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap)
RAM: 32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair Vengance LPX 3200Mhz CL16
GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: 1tb Samsung 970 evo m.2 nvme
PSU: Corsair CX650M
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz)
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
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