How do you even cool this thing - i9-10990XE + 10th gen i3/i5 spotted

[williamcll]

Featuring 22 cores, 44 threads, 4 - 5Ghz (all core @ 1.2V) clock and a whopping 380W TDP. Performance wise it is close to a 3960X (screenshot above is cinebench R20), there were also some rumors about the chip's motherboard modifications back in CES according to the source below:

(Source google translated from german)

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But without more cores, Intel would leave the field of AMD's thread ripper almost without a fight in 2020, because with the 18 cores of the Intel Core i9-10980XE (test) , the processor series currently has no chance against AMD's attack in the form from currently 24, 32 and within four weeks also 64 cores with the Threadripper 3990X.

 

On the other hand, there is the power consumption. According to rumors from Asia, up to 380 watts are under discussion, which is not unthinkable for 22 cores with a 4 GHz base clock and 5 GHz turbo in a Core i9-10990XE. Depending on the everyday scenario, the 18-core can already be in 400-watt regions, but by definition it is slowed down massively in AVX tests. Then, with a power consumption of 165 watts, only 2.3 GHz are left. Overclocking trials had shown that the platform can handle such values thanks to high-end addressing. 600 watts and even up to over 1,000 watts were determined in tests of the heavily overclocked regular CPUs - at that time ComputerBase let the fuse fly at 750 watts.

 

This rumor fits the statements of the same motherboard manufacturers who were already announced over computer base, that the ten-core processor for mainstream desktop (Comet Lake-S) is a hot potato, since it depending on the load scenario than 300 watts of can pull the wall. The TDP is only estimated at 125 watts, depending on the BIOS setting, the CPU can therefore be slowed down massively.

With the core TDP crowbar, the 22-core processor could at least hold up in certain scenarios to AMD's Threadripper 3960X. According to the unconfirmed Cinebench R20 result with around 14,000 points, it would be slightly faster than the AMD opponent, who gets around 13,500 points . The coming weeks and months will reveal what is true of the rumor in the end.

Additionally, consumer 10th gens has been spotted on some benchmarks, being slightly faster than the i7-7700.

 

Source: For the big reactor:

https://www.computerbase.de/2020-01/cpu-intel-cascade-lake-x-refresh-22-kerne/

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2178641-1-1.html

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-2178626-1-1.html

https://videocardz.com/newz/rumor-intel-preparing-22-core-intel-core-i9-10990xe

https://www.hardwaretimes.com/10th-gen-intel-core-i3-10320-surfaces-on-ashes-esclation-benchmark-scores-86-fps-average/

Thoughts: Just how many VRMs and power pins do you need to drive this thing. With the 3990X right around the corner, Intel better make this cheap or else no one will buy it. There is also the issue whether or not this post is legit, but chiphell has made a few accurate leaks before.

[5x5]

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[Husky]

With that power consumption, I am not sure who would purchase that CPU. The overall cost of beefier motherboards, power supplies and electricity will disadvantage this chip vs AMD's current offerings. No production house or HEDT user would choose this part over a (probably) much cheaper, more efficient, cooler and less expensive overall part from AMD. But let's see.

[goodtofufriday]

As someone who ran a FX 9590 in tandem with two radeon 6990s, this is fine. 

[Guest]

Ah, so aside from the 7 10980XEs they made for reviewers, they might make 2 or 3 of these.

[LukaH]

[Belgarathian]

CES 2021: Check out these awesome cases with their RGB, tempered glass, and companion phase change coolers.

[onlybuilt4cubanxlinx]

Heat your home for free this winter.

[TempestCatto]

Price: 10,990 USD

[Jurrunio]

Poinltess to talk about power draw tbh, everything above the 12 core can't run to their transistor's max safe voltage due to temperature.

[RejZoR]

50 minutes ago, Husky said:

With that power consumption, I am not sure who would purchase that CPU. The overall cost of beefier motherboards, power supplies and electricity will disadvantage this chip vs AMD's current offerings. No production house or HEDT user would choose this part over a (probably) much cheaper, more efficient, cooler and less expensive overall part from AMD. But let's see.

Gamers. I think it's still going to perform great in games and have some edge over Ryzen due to insane clocks.

[Princess Luna]

45 minutes ago, Den-Fi said:

Ah, so aside from the 7 10980XEs they made for reviewers, they might make 2 or 3 of these.

If you can't find a retail chip then all hope is lost.

 

We are holding up for the i9 10900K which the way things are going might also end up an unicorn~

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

If you can't find a retail chip then all hope is lost.

 

We are holding up for the i9 10900K which the way things are going might also end up an unicorn~

I know... sigh. One of my buddies is an SI and he said Feb even for them.

They got like 2 at "launch."

[AkatsukiKun]

59 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

As someone who ran a FX 9590 in tandem with two radeon 6990s, this is fine. 

I'm wondering if you lived in a place with a winter season, did you feel the need to crack open your window?

[Brooksie359]

20 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Gamers. I think it's still going to perform great in games and have some edge over Ryzen due to insane clocks.

I am unsure about this. The difference between AMD ryzen 3000 and Intel's main stream desktop is fairly small in gaming and that is considering they have two advantages which are clock speeds and ring bus architecture. This wont have ring bus so it will be worse in gaming compared to main stream desktop while it will also not have a huge advantage in clock speed as the 3960x has a fairly high base and boost clock speeds and likely can hit those frequencies without much issues with lower cooling because of 7nm efficiency. 

[Velcade]

52 minutes ago, onlybuilt4cubanxlinx said:

Hear your home for free this winter.

I'll take some of the acid you're on.

[Reytime]

Global warming is real

[porina]

2 hours ago, Husky said:

I am not sure who would purchase that CPU.

HFT crowd will be all over it. It's looks like a natural successor to the 9990XE. AMD have nothing in this area, which is extremely niche.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14980/the-intel-core-i9-9990xe-review

 

[spartaman64]

26 minutes ago, porina said:

HFT crowd will be all over it. It's looks like a natural successor to the 9990XE. AMD have nothing in this area, which is extremely niche.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14980/the-intel-core-i9-9990xe-review

 

what about threadripper or heck even just the 3950x

[MageTank]

2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Gamers. I think it's still going to perform great in games and have some edge over Ryzen due to insane clocks.

Gamers won't be buying X299 at all. It performs worse for gaming than most desktop chips due to the massively different cache configuration and overall higher memory latency. You may find the occasional "I bought the most expensive CPU therefore it must be the fastest" user, but the vast majority know not to touch X299 when gaming is the primary concern. People that game on the side while still doing their normal day to day workloads might find value in it, but that would be less common of a scenario.

 

As for the title of this thread, I am pretty sure my decent loop could cool it if I could delid it without killing it and run naked die with liquid metal to my CPU block. 

[Radium_Angel]

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How do you even cool this thing

 

Very, very carefully.

[Unixsystem]

3 hours ago, Husky said:

With that power consumption, I am not sure who would purchase that CPU. The overall cost of beefier motherboards, power supplies and electricity will disadvantage this chip vs AMD's current offerings. No production house or HEDT user would choose this part over a (probably) much cheaper, more efficient, cooler and less expensive overall part from AMD. But let's see.

I highly doubt this. Your average home user realistically doesn't care about an extra 100W, let alone a prosumer or production house that is actually making money from their systems. 

 

That said, it still seems like a useless part. Workstation users at this point are probably fine with a higher end mainstream part, and those who aren't and need the core are either going to go big with TR or are getting Macs.

 

If it's really equivalent to the 3960X and they can price it at less than $1400, then maybe it'll find a very limited niche for AVX-512 workloads. Honestly, I'm guessing this is like the 28 core where they are releasing it just to say "look we're still in the game" and then they actually produce like 20 of them. 

1 hour ago, VegetableStu said:

fun fact: HCC dies for Skylake and Cascade lake top out at 18 cores

 

if this rumour is true, intel will be socketing their XCC chips (think a certain 28 core) onto LGA2066. it's doable, but would power delivery make sense? o_o

This may actually make it easier to cool overall than the 18 core if it has a significantly larger die. 

[Husky]

2 hours ago, RejZoR said:

Gamers. I think it's still going to perform great in games and have some edge over Ryzen due to insane clocks.

Even then, it will probably still lose to a 9900K which is much cheaper. With Ryzen 4000 series around the corner the gaming edge is becoming so small (with 3000 series it is tiny already) that I don't believe there is any reason to go Intel at the moment unless you need AVX-512 for some weird exotic workload.

[Husky]

1 hour ago, porina said:

HFT crowd will be all over it. It's looks like a natural successor to the 9990XE. AMD have nothing in this area, which is extremely niche.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14980/the-intel-core-i9-9990xe-review

 

OK well maybe they will, but even then - as you say - it is an extremely niche area.

[Husky]

17 minutes ago, Waffles13 said:

I highly doubt this. Your average home user realistically doesn't care about an extra 100W, let alone a prosumer or production house that is actually making money from their systems. 

 

That said, it still seems like a useless part. Workstation users at this point are probably fine with a higher end mainstream part, and those who aren't and need the core are either going to go big with TR or are getting Macs.

 

If it's really equivalent to the 3960X and they can price it at less than $1400, then maybe it'll find a very limited niche for AVX-512 workloads. Honestly, I'm guessing this is like the 28 core where they are releasing it just to say "look we're still in the game" and then they actually produce like 20 of them. 

This may actually make it easier to cool overall than the 18 core if it has a significantly larger die. 

I would think that a production house would care very much about power consumption and efficiency. I could be wrong as I don't have any experience with them but they could probably be rolling out hundreds of systems and that extra power consumption all adds up. And it adds up in other areas too - such as extra waste heat which could potentially require more air conditioning to keep the workspace comfortable which adds to even more operation cost and expenditure. I would think that all these little things add up and create quite a considerable impact.