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Need help with tuning/best ram for ryzen 3950x

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Posted · Original PosterOP

What's the absolute best ram money can buy for the ryzen 3950 when it's tuned with the d-ram calculator

 

 

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1562839114/F4-3600C14Q-32GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3600MHz-CL14-15-15-35-1.40V32GB-(4x8GB)

 

3600mhz 14cl-15-15-35 (1.40voltage) 32gb ram

 

vs

 

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1562839857/F4-3600C16Q-64GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3600MHz-CL16-16-16-36-1.35V64GB-(4x16GB)

 

3600mhz 16cl-16-16-36 (1.35voltage) 64gb ram

 

vs

 

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/168/1562838710/F4-3200C14Q-64GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3200MHz-CL14-14-14-34-1.35V64GB-(4x16GB)

 

3600mhz 14cl-14-14-34 (1.35voltage) 64gb ram

 

 

I want to try to achieve 64gb but i'm not sure how much fps loss i would have in games compared to the 3600mhz 14cl 32gb kit

 

so it's pretty much

3600mhz 14cl 32gb 
3600mhz 16cl 64gb

3200mhz 14cl 64gb

 

which one would be the best for me?

 

Goal is to: achieve the highest fps in games while still being top of the line on streaming/recording with the highest bitrate and settings, aswell as some editing.

 

 

He's using a 3600mhz 14cl (16gb kit same as the 32gb kit)

 

 

 

 

 

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The difference is about 1% on avg which does not really matter. Also the primary timing don't affect the performance nearly as much as the unknown secondary timings.

If you have to sacrifice 32GB of RAM just to get 3-5 more FPS then its not worth it, get more RAM if you absolutely need it.

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1 minute ago, WereCat said:

The difference is about 1% on avg which does not really matter. Also the primary timing don't affect the performance nearly as much as the unknown secondary timings.

If you have to sacrifice 32GB of RAM just to get 3-5 more FPS then its not worth it, get more RAM if you absolutely need it.

which one should i choose when tuning it with the dram calculator?

 

3200mhz 14-14-14-34 (1.35voltage) 64gb

or

3600mhz 16-16-16-36 (1.35voltage) 64gb

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3 minutes ago, HornyFurry said:

which one should i choose when tuning it with the dram calculator?

 

3200mhz 14-14-14-34 (1.35voltage) 64gb

or

3600mhz 16-16-16-36 (1.35voltage) 64gb

If they cost prety much the same then the 3600MHz one will be better if you want to just enable XMP and be done with it.

Otherwise, if you want to tinker with it more it likely won't make a much difference but the 3600MHz kit may be binned better so you may get more clocks or lower timings out of it when tuning manualy.

 

I have 3200MHz CL16 4x16GB kit and I can run it at 3600MHz CL14 or 3733MHz CL16 after I tuned it manually, its just way more work than just having to run XMP.

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7 minutes ago, WereCat said:

If they cost prety much the same then the 3600MHz one will be better if you want to just enable XMP and be done with it.

Otherwise, if you want to tinker with it more it likely won't make a much difference but the 3600MHz kit may be binned better so you may get more clocks or lower timings out of it when tuning manualy.

 

I have 3200MHz CL16 4x16GB kit and I can run it at 3600MHz CL14 or 3733MHz CL16 after I tuned it manually, its just way more work than just having to run XMP.

So which one would be better when doing all the timings/binning/tuning 3600mhz 16cl or 3200mhz 14cl, as in i put all the work to do this which one would perform better?

 

If u were me which one would you go for? ( you have no budget )

 

you used the d-ram calculator for the 3600mhz 14cl timings right?

 

 

Edit: the ryzen performs best at 3600-3733-3800mhz so that 3600mhz sounds pretty nice question is, is it possible to use the regular 3600mhz 16cl, and tune it down to 3600mhz 14cl?

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1 minute ago, HornyFurry said:

So which one would be better when doing all the timings/binning/tuning 3600mhz 16cl or 3200mhz 14cl, as in i put all the work to do this which one would perform better?

 

If u were me which one would you go for? ( you have no budget )

 

you used the d-ram calculator for the 3600mhz 14cl timings right?

The 3600MHz CL16 will outperform the 3200MHz CL14 by quite a bit with Zen2 as you will also run the FCLK (Infinity Fabric) at higher clocks which dramaticaly improves performance.

 

I started with the calculator then tuned manually.

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4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

The 3600MHz CL16 will outperform the 3200MHz CL14 by quite a bit with Zen2 as you will also run the FCLK (Infinity Fabric) at higher clocks which dramaticaly improves performance.

 

I started with the calculator then tuned manually.

I edited my reply to you above^^

 

So the 3600mhz 16cl is hands down the best even if you do all the work with timing/tuning with it? compared to 3200mhz 14cl

 

just want to make sure i get the best ram kit possible before i buy it

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I bought Team Group Dark Pro 3600C16 and run it at 3800C16 with FCLK 1:1. Probably could get those timings down a touch more but I'm OK with were they're at.

 

Pretty much any B-die kit will do. I opted for 3600 cos I'm already at that sweetspot if I want to back the OC down for whatever reason.

 


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13 minutes ago, HornyFurry said:

I edited my reply to you above^^

 

So the 3600mhz 16cl is hands down the best even if you do all the work with timing/tuning with it? compared to 3200mhz 14cl

 

just want to make sure i get the best ram kit possible before i buy it

3600MHz is best for the simple reason that the higher the RAM speed the higher the Infinity Fabric clocks and that impacts the performance the most.

 

But even when ignoring the Infinity Fabric, the 3600MHz CL16 is still faster than 3200MHz CL14.

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25 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I bought Team Group Dark Pro 3600C16 and run it at 3800C16 with FCLK 1:1. Probably could get those timings down a touch more but I'm OK with were they're at.

 

Pretty much any B-die kit will do. I opted for 3600 cos I'm already at that sweetspot if I want to back the OC down for whatever reason.

 

i see thanks for the info

 

24 minutes ago, WereCat said:

3600MHz is best for the simple reason that the higher the RAM speed the higher the Infinity Fabric clocks and that impacts the performance the most.

 

But even when ignoring the Infinity Fabric, the 3600MHz CL16 is still faster than 3200MHz CL14.

maybe i'm just plain stupid lol, but you said u got your 3200mhz 14cl to 3600mhz 14cl tuned, i guess the 3600mhz 16cl can go to 4000mhz 14cl when tuned

 

but the best performance is around 3600-3733-3800mhz when using infinty fabric clocks correct? Wouldn't that mean that the TUNED 3600mhz 14cl would perform better than the TUNED 4000mhz 16cl, or is it possible to lower the timings on the 3600mhz 16cl?

 

thanks for taking your time to help me out btw i appreciate it alot :)

 

Edit: I should add in that i'll be using the aorus xtreme x570 mobo.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, HornyFurry said:

i see thanks for the info

 

maybe i'm just plain stupid lol, but you said u got your 3200mhz 14cl to 3600mhz 14cl tuned, i guess the 3600mhz 16cl can go to 4000mhz 14cl when tuned

 

but the best performance is around 3600-3733-3800mhz when using infinty fabric clocks correct? Wouldn't that mean that the TUNED 3600mhz 14cl would perform better than the TUNED 4000mhz 16cl, or is it possible to lower the timings on the 3600mhz 16cl?

 

thanks for taking your time to help me out btw i appreciate it alot :)

 

Edit: I should add in that i'll be using the aorus xtreme x570 mobo.

 

 

yes

3600CL 14 will perform better than 4000CL16 because you cant keep the clocks of IF the same as RAM speed so there will be extra latency

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2 minutes ago, WereCat said:

yes

yes on that you can lower the 3600mhz 16cl timings to 3600mhz 14cl

 

or yes that the 3200mhz 14cl is better performance? if tuned to 3600mhz 14cl

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12 minutes ago, HornyFurry said:

yes on that you can lower the 3600mhz 16cl timings to 3600mhz 14cl

 

or yes that the 3200mhz 14cl is better performance? if tuned to 3600mhz 14cl

:D its getting messy and I was playing PUBG so sorry for short answers

 

As long as you can keep the clocks of infinity fabric (FCLK) synced with the DRAM speed, the higher clocked DRAM will always outperform the lower clocked one assuming that the timings are not absolutely terrible, which in your case, they aren't.

So 3200MHz CL14 will be slower than 3600MHz CL14 or CL16.

 

The FCLK is prety much guaranteed to get to 1800MHz which matches the 3600MHz DRAM (Because DDR = Double Data Rate so 1800x2=3600, just so you understand why 1800MHz).

 

The FCLK can on some CPUs be overclocked even up to 1900MHz which would match a 3800MHz RAM and there it would be still better to go 3800MHz CL16 over 3600MHz CL16 for example but you must be quite lucky to get a CPU that is able to clock its FCLK up to 1900MHz or higher, for that reason its not recommended to spend more money on DRAM thats faster than 3600MHz and therefore if you find out that your CPU can actually clock its FCLK higher than 1800MHz, you should just tune (overclock) the DRAM you already have to match its speed.

 

I hope that answers it.

 

 

Whether you buy 3200MHz DRAM or 3800MHz DRAM, you can always go to BIOS and try to tinker with the speed and timings yourself, but be aware that its very time consuming and you will have to test your PC for many, many hours while you will be prety much unable to use it if you want to be sure that your DRAM OC is stable and its not corrupting your data.

 

I went the OC way and got a cheap kit of 64GB 3200MHz CL16 DRAM and then spent days overclocking it and testing to 3600MHz CL14 and 3733MHz CL16. If you want to do that, go ahead. Just be aware that it can take a lot of time.

If you just want to use the DRAM Calculator, I had quite good experience with it as long as I used the recommended settings as with the faster ones, I found some instabilities. There you can save quite a bit of time, but I would still recommend you to use bootable USB with Memtest86 to test for stability (at least 4 full passes which may take upwards of 12h to finish with 64GB of DRAM, there must be 0 errors).

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18 minutes ago, WereCat said:

:D its getting messy and I was playing PUBG so sorry for short answers

 

As long as you can keep the clocks of infinity fabric (FCLK) synced with the DRAM speed, the higher clocked DRAM will always outperform the lower clocked one assuming that the timings are not absolutely terrible, which in your case, they aren't.

So 3200MHz CL14 will be slower than 3600MHz CL14 or CL16.

 

The FCLK is prety much guaranteed to get to 1800MHz which matches the 3600MHz DRAM (Because DDR = Double Data Rate so 1800x2=3600, just so you understand why 1800MHz).

 

The FCLK can on some CPUs be overclocked even up to 1900MHz which would match a 3800MHz RAM and there it would be still better to go 3800MHz CL16 over 3600MHz CL16 for example but you must be quite lucky to get a CPU that is able to clock its FCLK up to 1900MHz or higher, for that reason its not recommended to spend more money on DRAM thats faster than 3600MHz and therefore if you find out that your CPU can actually clock its FCLK higher than 1800MHz, you should just tune (overclock) the DRAM you already have to match its speed.

 

I hope that answers it.

 

 

Whether you buy 3200MHz DRAM or 3800MHz DRAM, you can always go to BIOS and try to tinker with the speed and timings yourself, but be aware that its very time consuming and you will have to test your PC for many, many hours while you will be prety much unable to use it if you want to be sure that your DRAM OC is stable and its not corrupting your data.

 

I went the OC way and got a cheap kit of 64GB 3200MHz CL16 DRAM and then spent days overclocking it and testing to 3600MHz CL14 and 3733MHz CL16. If you want to do that, go ahead. Just be aware that it can take a lot of time.

If you just want to use the DRAM Calculator, I had quite good experience with it as long as I used the recommended settings as with the faster ones, I found some instabilities. There you can save quite a bit time, but I would still recommend you to use bootable USB with Memtest86 to test for stability (at least 4 full passes which may take upwards of 12h to finish with 64GB of DRAM, there must be 0 errors).

I think i'll just go with the 3600mhz 16cl, 64gb and see what i can do to lower the timings/latency and maybe even up the speed to 3733-3800 ( it all depends on what fps/stability i'll get in benchmarks )

 

Short answer the (3600mhz 16cl 64gb) is better than the (32000mhz 14cl 64gb) when both are tuned with dram calculator correct?

 

edit: the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb is around 30$+ more than the 3200mhz 14cl 64gb

i know price doesn't always mean it's better

 

 

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41 minutes ago, WereCat said:

yes

3600CL 14 will perform better than 4000CL16 because you cant keep the clocks of IF the same as RAM speed so there will be extra latency

oh i just saw this edit

one last question is it possible for the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb to get tuned down to 3600mhz 14cl 64gb?

 

or should i just go for the 3200mhz 14cl and get it to 3600mhz 14cl?

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Just now, HornyFurry said:

oh i just saw this edit

one last question is it possible for the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb to get tuned down to 3600mhz 14cl 64gb?

 

or should i just go for the 3200mhz 14cl and get it to 3600mhz 14cl?

That depends on the DRAM itself and the memory controller of your CPU since its overclocking.

 

But yes, it is possible to do so. It will also likely be easier to get 3600 CL16 to CL14 than getting 3200MHz CL14 to 3600 CL16.

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1 minute ago, WereCat said:

That depends on the DRAM itself and the memory controller of your CPU since its overclocking.

 

But yes, it is possible to do so. It will also likely be easier to get 3600 CL16 to CL14 than getting 3200MHz CL14 to 3600 CL16.

Okay thanks a bunch for taking your time to help me out!

 

I'll go with the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb and see if i can tune it down to 3600mhz 14cl 64gb.

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