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(edit: R9 4900U) More cores on the way - Ryzen 4800HS on Asus laptop

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Posted · Original PosterOP

To sum up:

Confirmed chips: R3 4300U, R5 4500U 4600H, R7 4700U 4800U 4800H (only the underlined models have SMT/ Hyperthreading)

Unconfirmed chips: R5 4600HS, R7 4800HS, R9 4900H, R9 4900U

Chips with -S postfix have 10 watts lower TDP

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Thhe AMD-based Zephyrus looks premium, but maybe not as premium as Intel-based Zephyrus laptops? This model features yet unannounced Ryzen 7 4800HS CPU (specs not listed in the datasheet).

This laptop comes in a few variants. There are two 15.6 displays available: 1080p IPS 144Hz screen and a similar one with a 240Hz refresh rate. Despite the fact that both displays are certified with AMD FreeSync support, the only two options for discrete graphics are GeForce RTX 2060 6GB and GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB. One would guess that FreeSync will somehow be supported by the integrated graphics, or in an ‘NVIDIA-way’.

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Source:https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-rog-zephyrus-g15-ga502i-with-ryzen-7-4800hs-leaked

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-may-soon-release-Ryzen-9-4900H-and-Ryzen-7-4800H-APUs-with-8-cores.448218.0.html

https://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=159&t=5972887
Thoughts: The ryzen 3000 mobile processors struggled to gain a foothold in laptop space, perhaps this time it would make a break, it might still struggle with games though.


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I feel like the recent race for more cores is like the race for more MHz in the early days of computers


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4 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

I feel like the recent race for more cores is like the race for more MHz in the early days of computers

Except more MHz usually translates almost directly into better performance whereas more cores depend on software to make use of them to get a benefit.


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2 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

Except more MHz usually translates almost directly into better performance whereas more cores depend on software to make use of them to get a benefit.

But my point is that it's more of a pissing contest than a performance thing, similar to how the MHz wars turned into a pissing contest after they'd been around for a few years.


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2 minutes ago, kelvinhall05 said:

But my point is that it's more of a pissing contest than a performance thing, similar to how the MHz wars turned into a pissing contest after they'd been around for a few years.

Oh, I agree. I'm fine with their contest as long as it keeps prices in check. I just hope it'll not go completely overboard where systems with sensible specs become hard to find because everyone keeps trying to sell 128 core monsters to average consumers :D


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i mean nvidia supports desktop free sync and their laptop g sync works in a similar way to free sync anyways i actually dk whats the distinction between laptop free sync and laptop g sync

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14 hours ago, kelvinhall05 said:

But my point is that it's more of a pissing contest than a performance thing, similar to how the MHz wars turned into a pissing contest after they'd been around for a few years.

It depends. For gaming, not as much, for compute, most apps can scale with whatever core count you have almost linearly.

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Very nice, these will be a neat step up in mobile. 


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Good to see someone bringing the fight to Intel in the laptop market


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1 hour ago, vukos said:

Good to see someone bringing the fight to Intel in the laptop market

And laptop users don't need to suffer from the toasty 14nm++++++++++ H series CPUs anymore


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wouldn't these amd cpus be better with laptops than intel ones because I heard that the new gen has a lower tdp, plus vapor chambers laptops might not be a 100C frying pans since intel cpus are hot. like I had a laptop that a 7700hq at 3.6 ghz and it would thermal throttle

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10 minutes ago, redbread123 said:

the new gen has a lower tdp, plus vapor chambers laptops might not be a 100C

TDP is just a figure, doesn't mean much. Vapor chambers cost higher and not all laptops will have them. And a well cooled laptop doesn't necessary need vapor chamber


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On 1/5/2020 at 8:08 AM, kelvinhall05 said:

I feel like the recent race for more cores is like the race for more MHz in the early days of computers


Yeah, except in 1999 you could take a pencil to a bargain bin processor and make it faster than the fastest officially available... 

And today you can't really overclock for meaningful gains... 
So MOAR COARS is either done for a bit of future breathing room/multitasking/highly-threaded workload or else there's little to no benefit. 

With that said, when there IS benefit it's a bigger jump than you'd have gotten from 100 more MHz in 2004. 


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So.... Zen 2 mobile chips with more than 4 cores? Should be hella noice. 


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5 hours ago, Zando Bob said:

So.... Zen 2 mobile chips with more than 4 cores? Should be hella noice. 

8 cores confirmed. 


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they said this is faster than 9700k for gaming, anyone know which games? it can't possibly be faster for most games, 3600 can't beat 9700k and they're saying a mobile cpu beats it? must be some amd optimized game?

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But still uses old apu architecture. Think I will wait for upgrade with RDNA since I prefer a laptop without dedicated gpu.

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18 minutes ago, Teddy07 said:

But still uses old apu architecture

There are *improvements to the IO section and architecture improvements to the Vega CUs. 

 

Dont know how it affect performance entirely yet tho

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It used to say upgrade, tho that would be missleading afaik
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On 1/6/2020 at 11:31 AM, spartaman64 said:

i mean nvidia supports desktop free sync and their laptop g sync works in a similar way to free sync anyways i actually dk whats the distinction between laptop free sync and laptop g sync

The only thing that came to my mind: cost.

 

G-sync charged the manufacturer 'a small fee' to get compatible certified, where as Freesync doesn't really charge (or charge way so low that it was negligible).

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Talking about gaming laptops: the main point here is higher efficiency (compared to Intel H series), which might not be important in desktops but definitely important in laptops since cooling room is limited. In most cases, you can't overclock CPU much in order to achieve higher performance - thermal throttle. Due to CPU power limits (eg 45W), max turbo clock speed is difficult to be achieved in many workloads, hence the one with higher efficiency will have an advantage: clock higher use more CPU power while using less power


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On 1/7/2020 at 2:39 AM, Dehaka said:

they said this is faster than 9700k for gaming, anyone know which games? it can't possibly be faster for most games, 3600 can't beat 9700k and they're saying a mobile cpu beats it? must be some amd optimized game?

I think the chart shows 3dmark firestrike which is essentially a CPU benchmark with good scaling across cores and since the 9700k lacks hyperthreading the ryzen mobile cpu pulls ahead. 

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Update: at least according to Lenovo, there is also a 4900U

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