Leaked GPU Specs Suggest Xbox Series X Substantially More Powerful Than PS5

[Flying Sausages]

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/303964-leaked-gpu-specs-suggest-xbox-series-x-substantially-more-powerful-than-ps5

 

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Eurogamer has gotten their hands on some leak data they feel is fairly legit, and the website’s track record with this kind of information is solid. There have been some rumored APU configurations that leaked earlier this year, but this new data implies the Sony PS5 will feature 36 GPU clusters clocked at up to 2GHz. Supposedly the silicon, codenamed Oberon, is designed to operate in three different modes (Gen 0, 1, and 2) with clocks of 800MHz, 911MHz, and 2GHz respectively. Supposedly memory bandwidth is 448GB/s in Gen 2 mode (though 512GB/s is an alternate possibility) and the GPU can reportedly also be variably configured in terms of ROP and core counts. Eurogamer states:

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While a 2.0GHz GPU clock is used for what is described as the fully unlocked ‘native’ or ‘Gen2’ mode, the processor is also tested in what is referred to as Gen1 and Gen0 modes. The former is explicitly stated as running with 36 compute units, a 911MHz core clock, 218GB/s of memory bandwidth and 64 ROPs – the exact specifications of PlayStation 4 Pro. The latter Gen0 mode cuts the CU and ROP counts in half and runs at 800MHz, a match for the base PS4. The indications are that back-compat is an integral part of the silicon, which in turn raises some interesting questions about the makeup of the Navi GPU and the extent to which older GCN compatibility may be baked into the design.

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If this rumor proves true — always something to keep in mind — the Xbox Series X will launch packing the equivalent of a high-end PC GPU. The largest GPU AMD has ever built are cards like the R9 Fury X and Vega 64, with 4096 cores. A 56-cluster Navi GPU would pack 1.4x more GPU cores than the 5700 XT, which already competes in the high-end PC GPU segment at the ~$400 price point.

 

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Of course Xbox Series X is going to be more powerful than PS5 because it is literary a PC and a console fuse together like Goten and Trunks fuse together but I hope PS5 will do a comeback from this because I don't like PS5 losing ground to Xbox Series X. I prefer the name PS5 than Xbox Series X. I think the Xbox Series X price is not going to be affordable from all these high end parts cost and labor. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[themaniac]

I for one welcome our $800+ console overlord

 

I for one would rather welcome a $500 console overlord instead though

[Commodus]

4 minutes ago, Harry P. Ness said:

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Of course Xbox Series X is going to be more powerful than PS5 because it is literary a PC and a console fuse together like Goten and Trunks fuse together but I hope PS5 will do a comeback from this because I don't like PS5 losing ground to Xbox Series X. I prefer the name PS5 than Xbox Series X.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Given that none of the specs are confirmed and might still be in flux, I'd really avoid making any definitive statements as to which console is faster.

 

Besides, even if there is a conspicuous difference in specs, there are other factors that could make a big difference.  It doesn't matter if the Xbox Series X is faster if it costs, say, $100 more than the PS5 without other functional advantages.  And let's face it, Microsoft still has trouble making compelling exclusives for its systems.  Halo Infinite would have to be really, truly exceptional to justify buying an XSX just for that game, and I can't see it happening.

 

Don't get me wrong, the Xbox Series X could easily be a great console.  It's just that you'll probably use it to play the same games you would on a PS5, and likely without major performance advantages.

[Levent]

21 minutes ago, themaniac said:

I for one welcome our $800+ console overlord

 

I for one would rather welcome a $500 console overlord instead though

$800 would be extremely steep, I really hope they release it at cost and make money off games like they used to do. Otherwise this thing and game for support for would be extremely lackluster.

[dizmo]

When it comes to consoles I don't think it really matters if one is that much more powerful than the others. Devs would likely even the performance between the two most of the time. Now, if they did put in the extra work to make it faster on the Xbox, that'd be pretty sweet. But. I don't see it happening often enough to be that much of a selling point. Part of me wants a console again...but that's make the time spent on getting a new PC kind of bad. 

 

1 hour ago, themaniac said:

I for one welcome our $800+ console overlord

 

I for one would rather welcome a $500 console overlord instead though

It wouldn't be the first time we've had consoles that expensive. 

40 minutes ago, Levent said:

$800 would be extremely steep, I really hope they release it at cost and make money off games like they used to do. Otherwise this thing and game for support for would be extremely lackluster.

Game support won't be lackluster because of an $800 price. Game Devs are going to make games regardless, and that's about what a PC costs anyway. 

 

There are lots of ways around an $800 price tag, like offering low barrier monthly payments. They could throw in Xbox Live for free as a value ad, and still come out on top as they'd be making more from the interest of the payments than what XBL would cost a month anyway. 

[Tristerin]

1 hour ago, Harry P. Ness said:

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This is the only real news in this thread, for me.  I don't console, but as a follower of your Olympic Exploits and fanboi of the "art" itself - this is disturbing news indeed.

[Deli]

Regardless whether the PS5 or XBox is faster. If the spec is true, a 56 compute units Navi GPU and 8 core Zen 2 CPU. Wow, can't imagine a $500 price tag. Even $800 isn't over-priced compares to PC.

 

If AMD decides to launch a similar 56 compute units GPU for the PC masterrace. It probably will cost north of $500.

[Arika]

2 hours ago, Harry P. Ness said:

I hope PS5 will do a comeback from this because I don't like PS5 losing ground to Xbox Series X. I prefer the name PS5 than Xbox Series X.

That's a pretty silly reason.

 

regardless of the specs i'll be buying a PS5. that backwards compatibility is probably the best decision they made. and MS no longer seems to have xbox exclusives, since more and more are becoming play anywhere or are just getting an outright PC release anyway.

 

I just hope the PS5's design doesn't follow the trend of the dev kit

[tech.guru]

AMD is coming out with Zen3 next year but Xbox will have Zen2?

 

I know what amd will be using all the left over stock for....

[TempestCatto]

 

Damn. First WWIII now this? I think I need to lie down..

[Bombastinator]

The way I read this thing (and I’m not at all sure I read it very well) is the power of these console GPUs don’t just beat high end PC graphics cards they beat any potential on th horizon PC graphics cards.  By a lot.  Basically gaming PCs are dead.

If that is true (and it might not be) they would have to do it Using a tiny fraction of the power required by PC GPUs because they cool close to passively.  This doesn’t make sense.  For these things to work how much power would they draw?

 

UPDATE: I was reading it wrong.  I didn’t understand the 12 tflop bit.  A rx580 does apparently around 6 tflop.  So for double the performance of a 580 it’s 2070S territory.  The projected power ive been seeing if the GPU keeps going up.  I saw 5700xt projected, then I saw 580 projected, now 2070s projected.  None of these include whatever ray tracing might be included.

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[Unixsystem]

GN had a news story recently where they speculated (possibly with help from inside sources) that the "Series X" nomenclature was to allow room for other consoles in the same generation. So we could have a "Series S" in the $400 price range to compete directly with the PS5, and then the Series X can sit at $600+ as the high end, "enthusiast" model. 

 

Really, I don't see any negative to the new console paradigm of tiered models. As long as backwards compatibility continues indefinitely and new games are supported on older models for a typical console lifespan (5-6 years minimum), then no one really loses anything. The only change is that at any point someone can decide if their current performance is too low for their liking and then upgrade to the newer/higher end model. 

 

That said, >buying consoles. 

[Unixsystem]

1 hour ago, Bombastinator said:

The way I read this thing (and I’m not at all sure I read it very well) is the power of these console GPUs don’t just beat high end PC graphics cards they beat any potential on th horizon PC graphics cards.  By a lot.  Basically gaming PCs are dead.

If that is true (and it might not be) they would have to do it Using a tiny fraction of the power required by PC GPUs because they cool close to passively.  This doesn’t make sense.  For these things to work how much power would they draw?

 

UPDATE: I was reading it wrong.  I didn’t understand the 12 tflop bit.  A rx580 does apparently around 6 tflop.  So for double the performance of a 580 it’s 2070S territory.  The projected power ive been seeing if the GPU keeps going up.  I saw 5700xt projected, then I saw 580 projected, now 2070s projected.  None of these include whatever ray tracing might be included.

In the past consoles pretty much always eclipsed what was available on PC upon release (or at the very least would match a mid-high end PC). Every console generation would start with the consoles having games that were completely unattainable on PC hardware, and then within a year or two the PC would catch up and then surpass them and the consoles would rely on efficiency and optimization of the specific hardware to keep up for the remainder of the generation. The PS2 tech demos were mind blowing at the time, and Rogue Squadron 2 was (and still is) a technical marvel on the Gamecube. 

 

I think it was the 360 era (and even more so the current gen) where the consoles were already relatively underpowered compared to an average gaming PC, likely due to the rapid increase in resolution as HDTVs became common. The jump to 4K further gimped the newer gne and prevented them from really keeping up with a decent PC, but now that 4K has become pretty commonplace and 8K is likely quite a ways off from widespread adoption, consoles actually have a chance to catch up. 

 

If anything it may wind up being a huge boon to PC gamers. Even if AMD can't compete with Nvidia in the dGPU space, if a $400-600 console wipes the floor with an $800-1000 Nvidia GPU, then they are going to be forced to innovate at a faster rate in order to keep the more casual PC gamers from jumping ship. The rumors about Ampere already make it seem like it's going to be a solid leap over Turing, and if the consoles are indeed this fast then I wouldn't be surprised if the post-Ampere (Hopper?) arch comes out swinging just as hard. 

 

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Maybe if could even force Nvidia to bring their price tiers back down to Pascal levels. 

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[Bombastinator]

3 minutes ago, Waffles13 said:

In the past consoles pretty much always eclipsed what was available on PC upon release (or at the very least would match a mid-high end PC). Every console generation would start with the consoles having games that were completely unattainable on PC hardware, and then within a year or two the PC would catch up and then surpass them and the consoles would rely on efficiency and optimization of the specific hardware to keep up for the remainder of the generation. The PS2 tech demos were mind blowing at the time, and Rogue Squadron 2 was (and still is) a technical marvel on the Gamecube. 

 

I think it was the 360 era (and even more so the current gen) where the consoles were already relatively underpowered compared to an average gaming PC, likely due to the rapid increase in resolution as HDTVs became common. The jump to 4K further gimped the newer gne and prevented them from really keeping up with a decent PC, but now that 4K has become pretty commonplace and 8K is likely quite a ways off from widespread adoption, consoles actually have a chance to catch up. 

 

If anything it may wind up being a huge boon to PC gamers. Even if AMD can't compete with Nvidia in the dGPU space, if a $400-600 console wipes the floor with an $800-1000 Nvidia GPU, then they are going to be forced to innovate at a faster rate in order to keep the more casual PC gamers from jumping ship. The rumors about Ampere already make it seem like it's going to be a solid leap over Turing, and if the consoles are indeed this fast then I wouldn't be surprised if the post-Ampere (Hopper?) arch comes out swinging just as hard. 

 

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Maybe if could even force Nvidia to bring their price tiers back down to Pascal levels. 

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Haha jk

 

 

It is in keeping with historical advances.  I’m still wondering about heat though.  Shrinking dies reduces heat, but it’s been reducing it to a lesser and lesser extent.  A 2070s is +200w.  That heat needs to be vented through cooling.  The new console pics do show more cooling  than previous consoles, but I’m not sure it’s in the range described.  Say they get that gpu performance for a mere 150w, and can do the whole rest of the machine for just 40w more. That’s still near double what previous xboxes did.  

[Unixsystem]

1 minute ago, Bombastinator said:

It is in keeping with historical advances.  I’m still wondering about heat though.  Shrinking dies reduces heat, but it’s been reducing it to a lesser and lesser extent.  A 2070s is +200w.  That heat needs to be vented through cooling.  The new console pics do show more cooling  than previous consoles, but I’m not sure it’s in the range described.  Say they get that gpu performance for a mere 150w, and can do the whole rest of the machine for just 40w more. That’s still near double what previous xboxes did.  

Remember that power draw (and heat as a result) is not a linear correlation with clock speed. They could very easily sacrifice a couple hundred Mhz on both CPU and GPU and save a substantial amount of heat with relatively little performance loss. 

 

On PC where benchmarks and OC records are a thing, sacrificing 10% performance is rarely considered worth it, even if it requires +50% power. On console all that matters is the end user experience, and with a big honking GPU like the rumored SeXbox one, they could clock it pretty darn low and still have very compelling performance. 

[justpoet]

If we assume a series, it is entirely possible that the top end is for the 4k mark, and the lower end is limited to 1080 or something similar, keeping frame rates and everything similar between all platforms, just with the 4k console priced more expensively.

 

Either way, I hope they do it as a loss leader so we quickly see a hack to run normal linux on the hardware.

[Bombastinator]

2 minutes ago, justpoet said:

If we assume a series, it is entirely possible that the top end is for the 4k mark, and the lower end is limited to 1080 or something similar, keeping frame rates and everything similar between all platforms, just with the 4k console priced more expensively.

 

Either way, I hope they do it as a loss leader so we quickly see a hack to run normal linux on the hardware.

That would be a bit excruciating for microsoft.  It’s basically a pc so it would run wine just fine.  Wine runs more games than PCs do.

[Lowbuget]

Wach ps5 be the way faster one

edit:told ya

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by Lowbuget
New info out

[The Benjamins]

7 hours ago, Deli said:

Regardless whether the PS5 or XBox is faster. If the spec is true, a 56 compute units Navi GPU and 8 core Zen 2 CPU. Wow, can't imagine a $500 price tag. Even $800 isn't over-priced compares to PC.

 

If AMD decides to launch a similar 56 compute units GPU for the PC masterrace. It probably will cost north of $500.

$800 seems overpriced for a console with a estimated $500 BOM cost. Would be very odd and bad to see it above $600.

[Dovaogedy]

The series X isnt the main stream Xbox, thsts what the rumored project lockhart is for. 

However, Microsoft didnt invest all this money in studio acquisition to sit on their hands.

 

Microsoft is coming you can bet on that. Phil Spencer won't be playing catch up this generation.

 

If you own a PC, yes u dont need an Xbox

 

With that said, Spencer and Microsoft are on the right path.

 

I hope they pack the series X with great hardware, im going to get it.

 

Im an Xbox guy, always will be, but im planning to get a PS5 also

 

[Brooksie359]

12 hours ago, Commodus said:

Given that none of the specs are confirmed and might still be in flux, I'd really avoid making any definitive statements as to which console is faster.

 

Besides, even if there is a conspicuous difference in specs, there are other factors that could make a big difference.  It doesn't matter if the Xbox Series X is faster if it costs, say, $100 more than the PS5 without other functional advantages.  And let's face it, Microsoft still has trouble making compelling exclusives for its systems.  Halo Infinite would have to be really, truly exceptional to justify buying an XSX just for that game, and I can't see it happening.

 

Don't get me wrong, the Xbox Series X could easily be a great console.  It's just that you'll probably use it to play the same games you would on a PS5, and likely without major performance advantages.

If I remember correctly halo infinite is launching on pc as well so I wouldn't even really call it an exclusive. I guess it might be considered an exclusive if you don't have a pc capable of playing it and can only afford to buy a console. 

[Deli]

3 hours ago, The Benjamins said:

$800 seems overpriced for a console with a estimated $500 BOM cost. Would be very odd and bad to see it above $600.

A 56 compute units Navi can easily perform on par with a 2080 Super. Plus a 3700X for CPU. Maybe you can build one for less than $800.

[Vode]

6 hours ago, huilun02 said:

$800 and can't run Adobe PP, MS Access or CAD?

 

Why?

Nobody needs that shit, relatively speaking. Go ask people on the street they'll give you weird looks.

[williamcll]

AMD must be having a supply issue if all the big Navi chips are sent to console manufacturers.