Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

[Jurrunio]

6 hours ago, Nokchabingsu said:

So when the cpu is under load, the board shows the maximum peak current limit it is able to provide?

Are you talking about the tuning section or monitoring section of Ryzen Master?

 

6 hours ago, Nokchabingsu said:

Another interesting bug(?) is that the EDC is limited to 90A if I don't set PBO limits to auto or enable it with any value than 90. Should I leave this on stock then, would it affect the OC?

EDC is indeed limited to 90A to 65w TDP CPUs by default, that's AMD's reference setting.

[Nokchabingsu]

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Are you talking about the tuning section or monitoring section of Ryzen Master?

The monitoring section, and I think I misused the word 'maximum'. I'm trying to ask about what EDC is specifically, I know its the peak current limit that a motherboard can deliver in short periods but when you said its not an actual reading, does EDC monitoring in Ryzen Master just indicates the maximum current the MB is able to provide when the CPU is under load? 

 

What I understand is, at 100% load, with a EDC reading of 120A, the MB can provide up to 120Amps

 

And why/how does temperature affect EDC as they increase together.

10 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

EDC is indeed limited to 90A to 65w TDP CPUs by default, that's AMD's reference setting.

Isn't it suppose to be overridden when a manual OC is applied? In Ryzen Master, it shows a maximum of 200A but the reading only reaches 90A without me tinkering with PBO limits in bios although PBO is disabled with a manual OC.

[Jurrunio]

22 minutes ago, Nokchabingsu said:

The monitoring section, and I think I misused the word 'maximum'. I'm trying to ask about what EDC is specifically, I know its the peak current limit that a motherboard can deliver in short periods but when you said its not an actual reading, does EDC monitoring in Ryzen Master just indicates the maximum current the MB is able to provide when the CPU is under load? 

It's not a reading in the tuning section, but it is a reading in the monitoring section. I think I got the wrong idea back then

 

22 minutes ago, Nokchabingsu said:

And why/how does temperature affect EDC as they increase together.

Is it under the same constant workload? Otherwise you could say it's running hotter because it draws more power. If it is under the same workload, then it's not impossible that the heat is causing the problem. Heat does make transistors and the VRM work worse

 

22 minutes ago, Nokchabingsu said:

Isn't it suppose to be overridden when a manual OC is applied? In Ryzen Master, it shows a maximum of 200A but the reading only reaches 90A without me tinkering with PBO limits in bios although PBO is disabled with a manual OC.

Big possibility is that the CPU just doesnt draw much power. It's really difficult to get an R5 3600 to draw more than 100w even with manual OC, so current draw is around 75A sustained. I dont expect it to peak over 100A peak without a really stressful workload

[Nokchabingsu]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Is it under the same constant workload? Otherwise you could say it's running hotter because it draws more power. If it is under the same workload, then it's not impossible that the heat is causing the problem. Heat does make transistors and the VRM work worse

Its the same constant workload, Cinebench R20. HWiNFO shows EDC at 98A with a Scythe Fuma 2 but goes up to 124A with Wraith Stealth before crashing due to heat.

 

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Big possibility is that the CPU just doesnt draw much power. It's really difficult to get an R5 3600 to draw more than 100w even with manual OC, so current draw is around 75A sustained. I dont expect it to peak over 100A peak without a really stressful workload

Its true that it doesn't draw more than 100w, with R20, it probably draws ~70w(?) with my OC. Without changing PBO limits and enabling it, HWiNFO shows EDC at 90A, a perfect 90 so it seemed suspicious to me. After tinkering with the only option that modifies EDC (in PBO), it increases to the values above which looks worrying to me.

[BlazeWingbreaker]

Does the B450 Aorus Elite V2 have better VRM compared to the V1 or is it same?

[Haro]

3 minutes ago, BlazeWingbreaker said:

or is it same?

From the looks of it, they seem to have the same pcb and vrm, so basically the same.

[BlazeWingbreaker]

strange, since they added "8+4 phase VRM" as a new selling point on the V2's page

[Jurrunio]

5 hours ago, BlazeWingbreaker said:

strange, since they added "8+4 phase VRM" as a new selling point on the V2's page

Screenshot? It says 8+2 for me which is identical to what they said for V1 (which then got bombarded because there's 4 high side mosfet and 8 low side mosfet for the 8 part, forget how it's running in 4 phase mode there's not even 8 sets of components). I'm not surprised if they are doing the same shit again

[Haro]

6 hours ago, BlazeWingbreaker said:

, since they added "8+4 phase VRM" as a new selling point on the V2's page

And the b450 aorus elite uses 8 discrete mofets for the vrm, but it's a 4 phase, meaning they are in pairs so still the same thing. 

 

6 hours ago, BlazeWingbreaker said:

+4

it says +2.

[Slyceth]

@Jurrunio With the 5900X announcement in mind, is there anything we should re-consider about the motherboard tier list? In regards to power draw for example (I'm not an expert)?

[Haro]

1 hour ago, Slyceth said:

In regards to power draw for example

The 5900x has the same power draw as the 3900x, so no, a board that can handle a 3900x will handle the 5900x as well.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Slyceth said:

@Jurrunio With the 5900X announcement in mind, is there anything we should re-consider about the motherboard tier list? In regards to power draw for example (I'm not an expert)?

AMD claims that stock power draw for Zen 3 CPUs will be the same as those they replace, so there shouldnt be any change on this side. For overclocking, we don't know

[BlazeWingbreaker]

On 10/6/2020 at 10:08 PM, Jurrunio said:

Screenshot? It says 8+2 for me which is identical to what they said for V1 (which then got bombarded because there's 4 high side mosfet and 8 low side mosfet for the 8 part, forget how it's running in 4 phase mode there's not even 8 sets of components). I'm not surprised if they are doing the same shit again

 

On 10/6/2020 at 10:11 PM, Haro said:

And the b450 aorus elite uses 8 discrete mofets for the vrm, but it's a 4 phase, meaning they are in pairs so still the same thing. 

 

it says +2.

oops yeah my bad, it's 8+2

[Slyceth]

@Jurrunio If I'm reading the tier list correctly, doesn't that make the MSI x570 Tomahawk the clear winner/choice? It's listed to be better than the average S- tier motherboards, at 65 euros (in my country) cheaper than the next-cheapest S- tier motherboard.

(I'm planning to combine this with a TUF 3090 and a 5900X)

 

Or are the other facts worth considering, or is there something I'm not seeing?

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, Slyceth said:

@Jurrunio If I'm reading the tier list correctly, doesn't that make the MSI x570 Tomahawk the clear winner/choice? It's listed to be better than the average S- tier motherboards, at 65 euros (in my country) cheaper than the next-cheapest S- tier motherboard.

(I'm planning to combine this with a TUF 3090 and a 5900X)

 

Or are the other facts worth considering, or is there something I'm not seeing?

X570 Tomahawk's cheaper than others at its tier mostly because it's not SLI qualified, meaning it doesnt have PCIe switches necessary to switch between x16 and x8 x8 config to adapt with single GPU and two way SLI setups. Nvidia still takes a cut from all boards that are SLI qualified today to my knowledge, certainly the case in the past.

 

It has also lost something else, like post code display (so no codes like 06, D8 etc) and clear CMOS button making recovering from a system lockup during overclocking (happens all the time) less convenient.

[Slyceth]

5 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

X570 Tomahawk's cheaper than others at its tier mostly because it's not SLI qualified, meaning it doesnt have PCIe switches necessary to switch between x16 and x8 x8 config to adapt with single GPU and two way SLI setups. Nvidia still takes a cut from all boards that are SLI qualified today to my knowledge, certainly the case in the past.

 

It has also lost something else, like post code display (so no codes like 06, D8 etc) and clear CMOS button making recovering from a system lockup during overclocking (happens all the time) less convenient.

So if these are the only downsides to the X570 Tomahawk; No Clear CMOS, No SLI support and no post code display.

If I wanted any and all of those 3 features, my next best option would seem to be the MSI MEG Unify correct?; considering the MEG Ace is just an RGB version of it, and the only better VRM is the Gigabyte Aorus Master which is 65 euros more expensive (for me) for little improvement. I do wonder if the Asrock Taichi (or another board around that price point I've missed) is also worth considering as it is the same price as the Unify (for me) as I personally had bad experiences with MSI boards in the past (I had a loose PCIe slot last time).

[Jurrunio]

38 minutes ago, Slyceth said:

If I wanted any and all of those 3 features, my next best option would seem to be the MSI MEG Unify correct?; considering the MEG Ace is just an RGB version of it, and the only better VRM is the Gigabyte Aorus Master which is 65 euros more expensive (for me) for little improvement. I do wonder if the Asrock Taichi (or another board around that price point I've missed) is also worth considering as it is the same price as the Unify (for me) as I personally had bad experiences with MSI boards in the past (I had a loose PCIe slot last time).

Yes

 

Asrock Taichi? Not as good for memory overclocking and the BIOS layout isnt as... humane? Quite messy, that is. 

[Slyceth]

14 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Yes

 

Asrock Taichi? Not as good for memory overclocking and the BIOS layout isnt as... humane? Quite messy, that is. 

What are the closest alternatives though? Maybe some that have yet to release?

 

As I said, I have had bad experiences with MSI boards in the past (loose PCIe slot for example on the z97 gaming 5), or have they improved their durability in the past 4 years?

[Vishera]

On 12/24/2019 at 1:10 AM, Jurrunio said:

Tier E: 75A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 1600 and 3600, a bit more than maxed out 2500X

Gigabyte: B450 Aorus Pro (ATX), Aorus Elite (ATX), Gaming X

With lots of airflow despite limits overclocking the CPU beyond 4GHz i managed to pull 127A peak and 123A average:

Spoiler

 

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, Vishera said:

With lots of airflow despite limits overclocking the CPU beyond 4GHz i managed to pull 127A peak and 123A average:

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With enough airflow, anything's possible

 

Including damaging your ability to hear

[Vishera]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

With enough airflow, anything's possible

 

Including damaging your ability to hear

Sounds like you had a few blowie-matrons running at full speed trying to break some records on HWBot

 

Silly me forgot to say that the motherboard i used is a Gigabyte B450 Gaming X (Tier E).

[Jutsus]

GPU: 3080 TUF OC or Radeon 6000 TBD

CPU: R9 or R7 5900x/5800X TBD

Mem: 2x16 G.skill Trident Z RGB 3600 16-16-16-36 B-die

SSD: Aorus gen.4 m2. 1t

PSU: 750w PRIME TX

AIO: Liqud Freezer II 280

MOBO: some b550: I want to oc my gpu, cpu (and memory? is it worth?)

 

I'm mainly looking at Strix B550-F, MSI EDGE and AORUS PRO A and TOMAHAWK, because all of them are about 160$-200$

I dont care about type-C USB or wifi. So, which one would be best, if I only think of overclocking? I'm having really hard time choosing one, but then again, I have time to decide until january, when I'm gonna buy my cpu and gpu.  tomahawk is the only one in TIER S and PRO and B550-E are strong TIER A.

 

All the MSI boards are capable of supporting max 3866mhz of ram in  1DPC 2R according to their own pages. The rest of the manufacturers are not giving that info out, but have similar max ram mhz rating, dont know what to take out of that :'D

 

Then again EDGE and B550-E had the best thermals in Hardware unboxeds test in youtube (All Boards Tested B550 Roundup, Part 3 $180 - $300)

 

Opinions about these? should I close some of these out? that would help a lot. Maybe if I could pick two and have to decide between them.

 

Any advantages or disadvantages of any of these mobos in particular?

 

Thanks in advance

 

edit: F4-3600C16D-32GTZR Can't find my sticks from any QVL..

[Mateyyy]

4 minutes ago, Jutsus said:

-snip-

They should all be pretty much on par in terms of theiroverclocking capabilities.

 

I'd go for whichever's got the nicest BIOS, looks or feature set to you.

[_Meet_]

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Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor	$709.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Noctua NH-D15 CHROMAX.BLACK 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard	$269.00 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory	$239.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung 970 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$149.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 10 GB Founders Edition Video Card
Case	Fractal Design Define 7 ATX Mid Tower Case	$169.95 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair HX Platinum 1000 W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply
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I might add a second GPU down the line, maybe a 3070 if the 3080 doesn't fit.
I also would like to add a Titan Ridge thunderbolt card to the motherboard in the future,( probably in the third pcie slot which is connected to the PCH)

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GC-TITAN-RIDGE-rev-20

I am confused between the x570 arous pro wifi and x570 arous master since they both support the thunderbolt connection. I want a stable computer and don't plan on extreme overclocking. What would I be sacrificing if I choose pro wifi over the master other than the fact that I won't get dual LAN and a high quality DAC.

I would want to pair the motherboard with 12c/16c zen2/zen3 processor.

Are the parts compatible? Will the ram sticks have enough clearance?

 

[Jurrunio]

16 minutes ago, _Meet_ said:

I am confused between the x570 arous pro wifi and x570 arous master since they both support the thunderbolt connection

I could find the thunderbolt header only on the Master, not Pro or Pro wifi, going by currently available user's manuals on Gigabyte's site. I came into this topic once with someone else and I think the conclusion is that the Aorus Pro with TB header was an old revision that's no longer made, meaning the Master is the one to go for if TB is so important.