Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only)

[Jurrunio]

42 minutes ago, uko said:

I built with Raijintek Metis Plus because it was so small (i think i paid too much with 130€ for mobo b450i, because if an 80€ mobo can satisfice my needs...) if i have to replace the case, prefer to build an ATX or mATX (in smallest case possible) and save some money in PSU, MOBO, COOLER and EXTRA FANS.

You can achieve good cooling with mITX cases, why is it too small other than cooling?

 

43 minutes ago, uko said:

Other reason why i want to change the case, its because in the future, the gpus will be bigger and this case cant fit these sizes.

There are other mITX cases that can, e.g. Thermaltake Core v1 holding 255mm without touching the outer portion (i.e. I/O area), Define Nano S at 315mm (without front radiator)

[uko]

@Jurrunio there is no difference between gaming plus max and tomahwak, right?

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, uko said:

@Jurrunio there is no difference between gaming plus max and tomahwak, right?

The header/connector layout and number could be different, but the important bits (for me) are the same

[Lord Vile]

On 2/24/2020 at 2:28 PM, Jurrunio said:

You can achieve good cooling with mITX cases, why is it too small other than cooling?

 

There are other mITX cases that can, e.g. Thermaltake Core v1 holding 255mm without touching the outer portion (i.e. I/O area), Define Nano S at 315mm (without front radiator)

I have a H200i ITX case, not the smallest but has good cooling and excellent cable management, fits a 240mm rad in the front (though I haven't done this).

[Vejnemojnen]

@uko what about Metallic Gear Neo G mini?

 

The h200 is an excellent case, but only takes graphics card 2-2.5 slot thick (roughly 50-55mm). Hardly any space between GPU fans and psu shroud. You might have issues with GPU temperatures, therefore, an SFX PSU and GPU undervolting is recommended 

[uko]

@Vejnemojnen already saw it, but as i said before to @Jurrunio if i have to change the case, prefer go to Q500L with ATX or mATX (i think is the smallest which allow use ATX board) because i cant get refund the raijintek case money.

So... turning back to the mobo, which one can i buy (i want to manual 3600 to 4.0-4.2 or use auto boost) as cheap as possible to satisfice my needs?

At the moment what i have in mind

RYZEN 5 3600 + 32GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 C16 + SABRENT ROCKET 512GB NVME M2 + psu ¿CORSAIR TX650M? or ¿Nox Urano VX 650W? + gpu¿RX 5700/XT or 5600 XT or 2060/S or 1660 Ti/Super? + mobo¿B450 Gaming Plus Max? + cooler¿Noctua NH-U12S? + case¿Q500L?

[Jurrunio]

42 minutes ago, uko said:

@Vejnemojnen already saw it, but as i said before to @Jurrunio if i have to change the case, prefer go to Q500L with ATX or mATX (i think is the smallest which allow use ATX board) because i cant get refund the raijintek case money.

So... turning back to the mobo, which one can i buy (i want to manual 3600 to 4.0-4.2 or use auto boost) as cheap as possible to satisfice my needs?

At the moment what i have in mind

RYZEN 5 3600 + 32GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 C16 + SABRENT ROCKET 512GB NVME M2 + psu ¿CORSAIR TX650M? or ¿Nox Urano VX 650W? + gpu¿RX 5700/XT or 5600 XT or 2060/S or 1660 Ti/Super? + mobo¿B450 Gaming Plus Max? + cooler¿Noctua NH-U12S? + case¿Q500L?

Problem with the case

 

For PSU:

 

For GPU, 5700XT is the fastest but 2060S has better software

 

cooler: For just a R5 3600, even a Hyper 212 Black or Freezer 33 or 34 will do

 

SSD: apart from the Sabrent Rocket (which btw, seems to be reconfigured into a PCIe 3.0 x2 SSD with a Phison E8 controller), there's still the Adata SX8200 Pro, HP EX920/950, Corsair MP510 and WD Black that are good choices.

[uko]

@Jurrunio whats about the mobo?

 

MOBO - ???

GPU - Asus Dual RTX 2060 OC 6GB or Asus Dual RTX 2060 Super OC 8 GB

COOLER - ??? AIO 120/240 or Air?

CASE - Cooler Master Q500L

PSU - Corsair TXM 650W

CPU: Ryzen 5 3600

SSD M2: Sabrent Rocket NVMe 512GB

RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 C16 2x16 32GB

FAN: 3x Noctua S12A

 

atm price = 449,79€ without GPU

 

What case configuration do you think will be the best?

Down 2 intake + 240mm AIO in top + 1 Exhaust (close to mobo panel)

Down 2 intake + 120mm AIO (close to mobo panel) + 2 Exhaust in top

Down 2 intake + Top 2 exhaust + 1 Exhaust (mobo panel) + Cpu Air cooler

[Jurrunio]

5 hours ago, uko said:

whats about the mobo?

the board is fine

 

5 hours ago, uko said:

 

What case configuration do you think will be the best?

Just check the video

[genexis_x]

How would you rate MSI B450M-A Pro / Pro Max? (mATX, not the ATX one)

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, genexis_x said:

How would you rate MSI B450M-A Pro / Pro Max? (mATX, not the ATX one)

They should only make this board with A320 chipset, nothing better.

[Vejnemojnen]

4 hours ago, genexis_x said:

How would you rate MSI B450M-A Pro / Pro Max? (mATX, not the ATX one)

Not worth it. Bare VRM,  only three vcore phases, a cheaped out board, roughly the level of a320 mobos. 

 

B450 ultra budget choices would be like Asrock b450m HDV (not the r4.0) or even b450m s2h by GB. These entry level boards are actually even recommendable, while they are affordable. 

[Vejnemojnen]

@Jurrunio Whenever you have the spare time: what should we know about MSI B450M Pro VDH (MAX) or VDH Plus boards? When someone does not intend to OC their CPU, are they okay-ish for six-eight core processors? According to Vcore VRM tier list table, they might be considered in those cases.

 

These boards:

Pro VDH Plus https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450M-PRO-VDH-PLUS

Pro VDH MAX https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450M-PRO-VDH-MAX

 

product user reviews: https://geizhals.de/?sr=2111702,-1 ; https://skinflint.co.uk/?sr=1980707,-1

 

reason I'm asking, that these boards are kind of Asrock B450M Pro4-ish in price, yet, look better in my opinion. Any experiences with them?

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Vejnemojnen said:

@Jurrunio Whenever you have the spare time: what should we know about MSI B450M Pro VDH (MAX) or VDH Plus boards? When someone does not intend to OC their CPU, are they okay-ish for six-eight core processors? According to Vcore VRM tier list table, they might be considered in those cases.

 

These boards:

Pro VDH Plus https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450M-PRO-VDH-PLUS

Pro VDH MAX https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450M-PRO-VDH-MAX

 

product user reviews: https://geizhals.de/?sr=2111702,-1 ; https://skinflint.co.uk/?sr=1980707,-1

 

reason I'm asking, that these boards are kind of Asrock B450M Pro4-ish in price, yet, look better in my opinion. Any experiences with them?

On paper they are the Mortar's cutdown version, in tier D

[Vejnemojnen]

7 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

On paper they are the Mortar's cutdown version, in tier D

Thanks. I wonder whether it has a BIOS with all the features liked in the Mortar series. 

[AndreiArgeanu]

Does the list also apply to different versions of the motherboard, so for example would the asrock b450M Pro4 be in tier D just like it's bigger counterpart the B450 Pro4? 

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

Does the list also apply to different versions of the motherboard, so for example would the asrock b450M Pro4 be in tier D just like it's bigger counterpart the B450 Pro4? 

Yes, except the MSI B450 V2 boards which I havent added yet

[SenKa]

how bad is a crosshair VIII formula air cooled, with 3 120MM fans pointing right on the VRM? I just got sent one instead of an impact... lmao

[Jurrunio]

5 hours ago, SenKa said:

how bad is a crosshair VIII formula air cooled, with 3 120MM fans pointing right on the VRM? I just got sent one instead of an impact... lmao

Should be fine, that's a lot of fans. I think there is working VRM thermal monitoring for Asus boards now so you could just stare at HWinfo64

[SenKa]

15 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Should be fine, that's a lot of fans. I think there is working VRM thermal monitoring for Asus boards now so you could just stare at HWinfo64

I checked, and both are correct with a 3900x. Still putting a loop together for the long run though

[Jurrunio]

36 minutes ago, SenKa said:

I checked, and both are correct with a 3900x. Still putting a loop together for the long run though

out of interest, how hot does it get? Though I expect it to take forever to reach stable temperature

[SenKa]

16 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

out of interest, how hot does it get? Though I expect it to take forever to reach stable temperature

HWInfo's labels for temp sensor placement aren't great, so I'll just attach a picture. This is all as of a 10 minute P95 load

[Jurrunio]

41 minutes ago, SenKa said:

HWInfo's labels for temp sensor placement aren't great, so I'll just attach a picture. This is all as of a 10 minute P95 load

 

49C that's really good, though the chipset doesn't like what you're doing at all

[SenKa]

15 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

49C that's really good, though the chipset doesn't like what you're doing at all

not sure how i totally missed the clearly labled VRM temp sensor... lmao.

 

is that too hot for a chipset? i read it was fine

 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, SenKa said:

not sure how i totally missed the clearly labled VRM temp sensor... lmao.

 

is that too hot for a chipset? i read it was fine

 

Hotter than I expect for 3000RPM+ chipset fan to say the least