Skating around the ice lake - Ryzen 4000 APU spotted

[williamcll]

While renoir processors are on zen 2 architecture rather than the upcoming zen 3, it boast better performance than the previous ryzen 3000U APUs and is on par with intel's current 10 nanometer mobile processors .

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Just a few days after detailing the various configurations of AMD's Ryzen 4000 APU lineup, the first proper chip with its final part number, the Ryzen 7 4700U, has been spotted by Reddit user, _rogame. The leaked APU is part of the Ryzen 4000 'Renoir' family which is headed for launch in early 2020 and will first aim at the mobility market before making an entry in the desktop segment. AMD's 4th Generation Renoir APUs (Ryzen) will be based on the 7nm Zen 2 architecture and will succeed the 3rd Generation Piccaso APU lineup which is based on the Zen+ core architecture. The 7nm APU family will have a lot of new features to talk about aside from the Zen 2 cores, it will be highly efficient, more than the current 12nm Zen+ parts and would feature a more modern Vega GPU with an enhanced feature set that is close to the Radeon VII than the Radeon RX Vega 64.

 

There are several SKUs mentioned in this specific 3DMark leak but the one we would focus on is the AMD Ryzen 7 4700U. The Ryzen 7 4700U is an 8 core and 8 thread processor with clock speed set at 2.0 GHz base and 4.2 GHz boost. These may or may not be the final clocks since the APU still hasn't been officially announced but compared to the Ryzen 7 3700U, we are looking at a nice 200 MHz bump which should result in better performance along with the faster Zen 2 cores. The chip also comes with Radeon Vega graphics but has a misreported clock speed.

 

With that said, ROGame compared the Ryzen 7 4700U with AMD's Ryzen 7 3700U & Ryzen 5 3500U in PCMark 10. The Ryen 7 4700U was faster in almost all test cases and scored 4893 points which is a 18% performance jump compared to the Ryzen 7 3700U and a 26% performance jump compared to the Ryzen 5 3500U. The Ryzen 7 4700U is also compared to the Intel Ice Lake, Core i7-1065G7 which leads in the CPU department but Renoir posts stronger lead in the GPU dependent benchmarks. The overall score for the Ice Lake chip is still 2% slower than AMD's Ryzen based APU. The Comet Lake, 14nm Core i7-10710U leads in almost all CPU benchmarks due to its higher clock speeds but the score isn't that significant with an 11% lead.

Source:https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-4700u-apu-8-core-ryzen-4000-3dmark-specs-performance-leak/

 

 

Thoughts: This might what just AMD needs to take over Intel in the laptop department, as shown with the surface laptops team red is still one step behind team blue when it comes to mobility processors, and this new line of CPUs might just make it.

[Flying Sausages]

Ahhhh

 

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[williamcll]

Just now, OlympicAssEater said:

Ahhhh

 

WccfTech news

 

 

I mean I could use another news site for secondary source if you like, the original post was from reddit after all.

[Flying Sausages]

2 minutes ago, williamcll said:

I mean I could use another news site for secondary source if you like, the original post was from reddit after all.

The more the better and it is up to you.

[ShredBird]

AMD's is in an interesting spot with its upcoming APUs. CPU efficiency wise, Zen had a slight upper hand on performance per watt compared to Intel and Zen 2 knocks it out of the park with 7 nm gains to put the icing on the cake. Vega/Navi on the other hand don't hold a candle to Nvidia when it comes to efficiency. Navi, even at 7 nm is less efficient than Turing at 12 nm.

I think in the end it'll balance out and I think it will be pretty neck and neck with an Ice Lake / GTX 1650 Max-Q combo depending on graphics configuration. They will definitely have parts that are more battery life minded with a cut down GPU.

[Founders]

16 minutes ago, williamcll said:

The overall score for the Ice Lake chip is still 2% slower than AMD's Ryzen based APU. The Comet Lake, 14nm Core i7-10710U leads in almost all CPU benchmarks due to its higher clock speeds but the score isn't that significant with an 11% lead.

The cost savings over an Intel based system will be compelling to many people that actually do a bit of research before hand and don't just blindly follow brand recognition and 'cleaver' marketing. 11 percent is somewhat negligible for most people running less intensive work loads the majority of the time. AMD's future will greatly depend on their  partnerships with OEM's and how hard they continue to push forward into the mass consumer market.   

[amdorintel]

whatever makes the porn better and the games good i am up for ryzen ice lake 4000, it has a nice ring to it.

price is key!

 

[porina]

4 hours ago, ShredBird said:

AMD's is in an interesting spot with its upcoming APUs. CPU efficiency wise, Zen had a slight upper hand on performance per watt compared to Intel and Zen 2 knocks it out of the park with 7 nm gains to put the icing on the cake. Vega/Navi on the other hand don't hold a candle to Nvidia when it comes to efficiency. Navi, even at 7 nm is less efficient than Turing at 12 nm.

When talking about power, or performance per watt, we have to keep in mind that they can place products anywhere along the efficiency curve for the use case. On the desktop CPUs AMD run them on the high performance end of the curve, and that negatively impacts their efficiency. When I tested the desktop CPUs at limited power points, Zen 2 really pulled away fast from Intel at lower power limits. This is an ideal scenario for mobile usage.

 

Similar could be said for the GPU side. It'll cost more, but lower clock wider GPU will be more efficient than fewer CUs at higher clock. At some point they'll have to also balance manufacturing cost, but I'm quite optimistic AMD will have a very competitive solution when they eventually release this.

[paddy-stone]

10 hours ago, OlympicAssEater said:

The more the better and it is up to you.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/ryzen-7-4700u-amds-first-ever-8-core-apu

 

[edit] nvm, also redditor as their source, LOL

 

Just in case you wanted a new source.

[paddy-stone]

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Even more fascinating is that the Ryzen 7 4700U allegedly continues to operate within a 15W envelope despite having double the cores of the Ryzen 7 3700U. This just goes to show that AMD's Zen 2 microarchitecture and TSMC's 7nm FinFET manufacturing process are a powerful combination that shouldn't be taken lightly.

^ This IMO is the best aspect of the upcoming APU.

[Doobeedoo]

Looks pretty awesome though. 

[Brooksie359]

9 hours ago, porina said:

When talking about power, or performance per watt, we have to keep in mind that they can place products anywhere along the efficiency curve for the use case. On the desktop CPUs AMD run them on the high performance end of the curve, and that negatively impacts their efficiency. When I tested the desktop CPUs at limited power points, Zen 2 really pulled away fast from Intel at lower power limits. This is an ideal scenario for mobile usage.

 

Similar could be said for the GPU side. It'll cost more, but lower clock wider GPU will be more efficient than fewer CUs at higher clock. At some point they'll have to also balance manufacturing cost, but I'm quite optimistic AMD will have a very competitive solution when they eventually release this.

Yeah I remember people saying that vega is actually quite efficient at lower clocks but they weren't competitive so AMD put them way out of the efficiency curve purely because they had to if they wanted to be at all competitive. 

[MeatFeastMan]

Isn't just the 4700U either.

 

4800H also showed up with 8c 16t. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rumored-to-launch-ryzen-9-4900h-ryzen-7-4800hs-and-ryzen-4600hs-mobile-cpus-soon

 

And a month or two ago, an AMD document popped up for a few hours showing Ryzen 9 mobile. They took it down pretty quickly. So there could be a 4900H too.

 

[Results45]

Hmmm.......I wonder how well Vega 12/13 will perform against Intel's upcoming 96EU Iris Pro 980?

 

Hopefully both will meet or beat the Nvidia's MX150/250 and FINALLY make 1080p @ 60fps gaming (medium-high) affordable for everyone. 

Performance vs MX150

 

edit: It seems the 64EU Iris Plus 930/950 stacks up pretty comparably to the Vega 8 & Vega 9 right now ~ for gaming at least:

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15092/the-dell-xps-13-7390-2in1-review-the-ice-lake-cometh/4

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15213/the-microsoft-surface-laptop-3-showdown-amd-picasso-vs-intel-ice-lake/4

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