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Just finished a new 3700X build. How are these temperatures?

Hi, everyone!

 

I just finished a new build. For some context, the specs are:

  • AMD Ryzen 7 3700X
  • Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite,
  • MSI Gaming X Trio 2080 Super
  • 16 GB G.Skill Trizent Z 3600 MHz 16-16-16
  • NZXT Kraken X62
  • NZXT H510 Elite

I've was checking temperatures with NZXT CAM and while they seemed fine, I kind of expected idle to be lower. Also, in CAM, it was showing my CPU always up at almost 4.4 GHz. I figured, at idle, it'd drop clock speed. Anyway, I checked HWMonitor and the max clock for each core there seems to line up with what CAM is showing as "CPU Clock". Next, I installed AMD Ryzen Master and that seemed like more realistic numbers. Around 30 degrees at idle with a much lower clock.

I've attached a screenshot showing the 3 apps together. Which do I trust with regard to temperatures and current clock speed?

 

Thanks, everyone. Have a nice weekend! ?

 

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Update: I ran Cinebench R20 a bunch of times and, according to HWMonitor, the max CPU temp was 64ºC. With PBO set to Auto (in BIOS), the score was 4667 but with PBO set to Enabled, it was 4907 (max temp of 69ºC).
I've no idea if these scores good as I've never used Cinebench before now.

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Idle temperatures are meaningless

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CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Just now, Princess Luna said:

Idle temperatures are meaningless

Sure, but I'm just wondering which app to trust. I've not used the system much yet but after ~30 minutes of Modern Warfare, HWMonitor showed the package max temp at 65ºC.

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1 minute ago, TorturedMoon said:

~30 minutes of Modern Warfare, HWMonitor showed the package max temp at 65ºC.

If you want to know if you're okay or not temp wise put an actual stress on it like two or three runs of Cinebench R20 and then check the peak temperature.

 

From 30Cº to 60Cº there's absolutely no difference to the CPU and the max load temps are the only that truly matters since if those are adequate anything else also should.

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CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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18 minutes ago, TorturedMoon said:

Sure, but I'm just wondering which app to trust. I've not used the system much yet but after ~30 minutes of Modern Warfare, HWMonitor showed the package max temp at 65ºC.

with zen, always use ryzen master, i wouldn't worry about idle temps on zen 2 at all, if load temps are bad at high/max load, just use a -.05v offset, some systems are stable even with -.1v but that'd likely lower boost clocks.

 

nice rig btw, how much did it cost total.

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21 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

If you want to know if you're okay or not temp wise put an actual stress on it like two or three runs of Cinebench R20 and then check the peak temperature.

 

From 30Cº to 60Cº there's absolutely no difference to the CPU and the max load temps are the only that truly matters since if those are adequate anything else also should.

 

I just ran Cinebench R20 a bunch of times in a row and according to HWMonitor, the max CPU temp was 64ºC. The score was 4667. I've never used Cinebench before so I've no idea whether that's good or not. Thanks for the suggestion.

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21 minutes ago, TorturedMoon said:

Sure, but I'm just wondering which app to trust

Not NZXT CAM that's for sure. 

 

Also don't be surprised if you suddenly have high memory usage caused by NZXT CAM,  it's a known issue since its inception.

 

http://support.camwebapp.com/forums/252256-cam-bugs/suggestions/12315801-most-recent-cam-is-a-resource-hog

 

 

They keep saying it's fixed but it actually never is and keeps coming back. 

 

Google CAM high ram usage if you don't believe me.  Good luck. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, TorturedMoon said:

the max CPU temp was 64ºC. The score was 4667

Temperatures are completely fine then however the score is a bit low, is the CPU on stock settings? what memory settings does it have?

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Just now, Princess Luna said:

Temperatures are completely fine then however the score is a bit low, is the CPU on stock settings? what memory settings does it have?

Yeah, the CPU is stock. I've not touched the RAM other than enabling XMP.

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32 minutes ago, TorturedMoon said:

Sure, but I'm just wondering which app to trust. I've not used the system much yet but after ~30 minutes of Modern Warfare, HWMonitor showed the package max temp at 65ºC.

NZXT Cam is garbage(like their cases thermals). Ryzen has a problem with most temperature monitors especially the newer 3000 chips. Download and install Ryzen Master to monitor temps and maybe even throw it on gaming mode or do a little OC to improve speeds.

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5 minutes ago, TorturedMoon said:

Yeah, the CPU is stock. I've not touched the RAM other than enabling XMP.

Could you use CPU-z to tell me the exact clock/timings?

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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59 minutes ago, xg32 said:

with zen, always use ryzen master, i wouldn't worry about idle temps on zen 2 at all, if load temps are bad at high/max load, just use a -.05v offset, some systems are stable even with -.1v but that'd likely lower boost clocks.

 

nice rig btw, how much did it cost total.

Thanks. Good to know. I just ran Cinebench R20 a bunch of times and HWMonitor reported the max CPU temp as 65ºC so I think things are working as expected. As for the build, it was ~2300€ for everything including an LG UltraGear 27GL850-B monitor. I got a few parts slightly cheaper around Black Friday but there weren't that many good deals around on the parts I wanted.

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1 hour ago, Princess Luna said:

Could you use CPU-z to tell me the exact clock/timings?

I'm not at my PC right now but when I'm back and have chance I'll do that. Regarding the Cinebench R20 score, is it low enough to think there's an issue? I've never run it before so have no idea. For some context, I haven't touched anything in the BIOS regarding the CPU so everything is default. Thanks for the help.

 

Update: In BIOS, I just changed PBO from Auto to Enabled and ran Cinebench R20 again. This time, the score was 4891. With PBO being Enabled by default, what did that actually mean compared to Enabled? Thanks for all your help. I'm new to Ryzen so I've never played around with this.

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13 minutes ago, TorturedMoon said:

Update: In BIOS, I just changed PBO from Auto to Enabled and ran Cinebench R20 again. This time, the score was 4891.

Oh that's good, it's the result we were looking for, all in all I'd say you're good to use this PC without worries from here.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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2 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

Oh that's good, it's the result we were looking for, all in all I'd say you're good to use this PC without worries from here.

Awesome. Thank you. With PBO being Enabled by default, what did that actually mean compared to Enabled? Is it recommended (with my setup) to just keep it on Enabled then? Thanks for all your help. I'm new to Ryzen so I've never played around with this stuff.

 

Edit: I ran it again and got 4923 with the max temp, according to HWMonitor, of 66ºC. Three more runs in a row (without a break) and the max temp was 69ºC. I'm guessing I'd never get to that just playing games, right?

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Here's what I've seen in Cinebench R20 with PBO Auto vs. Enabled. Other than enabling XMP, I haven't touched anything else.

 

PBO Auto

All cores seemed to be running between 3917-3942 MHz during Cinebench R20.

Max clock: 4390 MHz

Max temp: 59ºC 

Cinebench R20 score: 4667

 

 

PBO Enabled

All cores seemed to be running at 4142 MHz (~200 MHz or a ~5% increase) during Cinebench R20.

Max clock: 4391 MHz

Max temp: 69ºC (~17% increase)

Cinebench R20 score: 4923 (~5% increase)

 

So, the max clock is the same between the two but the speeds all cores were running during Cinebench R20 were ~200 MHz higher, or ~5%, with PBO Enabled. The cost of that, however, was ~10ºC, which is a ~17% increase. While just less than 70ºC under full load seems fine, I'm not sure if this is really worth it. In gaming, is it going to be worth having PBO Enabled?

 

Thanks for your help so far, everyone. Have a nice weekend.

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