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Intel Core i9-10900K 10-core Processor and Z490 Chipset Arrive April 2020

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I mean if they can beat AMD to the price I might just consider it.


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2 minutes ago, Tony Tony Chopper said:

Intel should just do what AMD did and solder 2 cpu chips onto 1 cpu like they started doing with thread ripper if cant beat them copy them.

you should read up on who actually "glued" first

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25 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Increasing the core count by 2 every year isn't going to cut it when AMD looks to be doubling it every 18 months

mainstream really doesnt need it though

everywhere else I agree

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11 minutes ago, Tony Tony Chopper said:

 

Even more reason to glue 2 cpu's on 1 chip then.

issue.

 

there is this thing called numa nodes. Zen 2 isnt exactly great when it comes to latency, but its pretty fast compared to numa solutions in dualsocket etc. 

 

and they are gluing together 2 chips. just not in the consumerspace. 

 

that 56 core chip? thats 2 28 core chips on the same package. 

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2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

issue.

 

there is this thing called numa nodes. Zen 2 isnt exactly great when it comes to latency, but its pretty fast compared to numa solutions in dualsocket etc. 

 

and they are gluing together 2 chips. just not in the consumerspace. 

 

that 56 core chip? thats 2 28 core chips on the same package. 

Zen1 had problems. Zen2 has this done in CPU logic much better so it automatically picks best option, whether it's staying within one chip or goes into multichip operation. The IO is probably more aware of what chips are processing to pick the right one and sack latency. So, its probably staying within one physical chip for as long as possible and goes to split mode when you ask for more. And latency really isn't as much of an issue given you basically double the core count on the cheap. Something you can't do with big monolithic chips which are always more expensive.

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On 12/11/2019 at 8:51 AM, GDRRiley said:

Unless they can pull some big IPC (doubt) or clock speed (intels going to get the heater name) it won't do well against ryzen 2 let alone zen 3 parts.

i was about to say wheres the 12 c0res to keep up with ryzen 9's, they have the clock speed advantage but if ryzen figures out how to get some good silicon and keep it away from them epyc fiends 


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30 minutes ago, pas008 said:

mainstream really doesnt need it though

These are 500$+ chips, they aren't mainstream by any stretch.


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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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On 12/11/2019 at 10:51 AM, GDRRiley said:

Unless they can pull some big IPC (doubt) or clock speed (intels going to get the heater name) it won't do well against ryzen 2 let alone zen 3 parts.

not sure what you mean here

https://www.techspot.com/article/1876-4ghz-ryzen-3rd-gen-vs-core-i9/

intels 14nm looks to be hold its own against tsmc 7nm and chiplet design

with it being held back

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1 minute ago, Sauron said:

These are 500$+ chips, they aren't mainstream by any stretch.

but its on mainstream platform

i will agree that they should just combine them all

from both companies or all companies

 

 

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Just now, Mira Yurizaki said:

Intel doesn't need to copy someone when they've done the solution before.

Nah, Intel’s just copying the brand of glue.

 

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4 minutes ago, pas008 said:

but its on mainstream platform

Well... that doesn't really mean much anymore. If there weren't a different socket for the 2000$ chips would you call them mainstream? These are niche products for enthusiasts or professionals, there's nothing mainstream about them. The people buying this stuff need more cores.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

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-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Well... that doesn't really mean much anymore. If there weren't a different socket for the 2000$ chips would you call them mainstream? These are niche products for enthusiasts or professionals, there's nothing mainstream about them. The people buying this stuff need more cores.

exactly so what does doubling cores matter on mainstream platform

 

like i said in previous post

me personally I would take 9900k over 3700x or 3800x but over the 3900x or 3950x i'd be in a pickle because i'd be trading small performance in certain areas to gain more performance in an area I really dont need to utilize all those cores often,

 

but they could offer 4 to 32 cores on one platform and call it a day

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9 minutes ago, pas008 said:

exactly so what does doubling cores matter on mainstream platform

Just because you need more cores doesn't mean you need the extra features of the workstation platform, which is significantly more expensive.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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Just now, Sauron said:

Just because you need more cores doesn't mean you need the extra features of the workstation platform, which is significantly more expensive.

^^^ For some people who just need straight CPU render performance, stuff like the 3950X and the 3900X and maybe the uh... the 3950X again because Intel caps out at 8c, are actually useful. If you're using a single GPU and no other PCIe devices besides an SSD or two, and don't need moar RAM bandwidth, it's much cheaper than HEDT for similar/the same performance (depends what you compare it to). 


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2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Just because you need more cores doesn't mean you need the extra features of the workstation platform, which is significantly more expensive.

what does that have to do with anything that can be different sku or up to mobo companies to include or exclude

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

what does that have to do with anything that can be different sku or up to mobo companies to include or exclude

That has to do with how HEDT and mainstream compare, lol. Mainstream usually has way less PCIe lanes, dual channel RAM support, some other smaller stuff missing too. HEDT adds moar PCIe lanes, quad or higher channel RAM support, and usually the option for even higher core counts, which is why it's an option for some workloads but not others. If you don't need HEDT features and you're looking for value, a high core count CPU on a more affordable mainstream platform is a good option. 


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I lowkey enjoy HEDT

 

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Just now, pas008 said:

what does that have to do with anything that can be different sku or up to mobo companies to include or exclude

I'm sorry, I don't see your point... first of all that's not true because the chipsets themselves are much more expensive and, secondly, why is it a problem for anyone that these chips are available on the cheaper platform? Even among prosumers not that many people need 60+ pcie lanes or quad channel ram. The "mainstream" platform has become feature complete to the point that a lot of professionals who need cpu performance don't need to splurge for a 600$ motherboard. Or at least, they don't need to if they're buying from AMD.


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Don't take these as complete reviews or final truths - they are just my personal impressions on products I may or may not have used, summed up in a couple of sentences and a rough score. All scores take into account the unit's price and time of release, heavily so, therefore don't expect absolute performance to be reflected here.

 

-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

Spoiler

A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

Spoiler

Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

Spoiler

Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

Spoiler

A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

That has to do with how HEDT and mainstream compare, lol. Mainstream usually has way less PCIe lanes, dual channel RAM support, some other smaller stuff missing too. HEDT adds moar PCIe lanes, quad or higher channel RAM support, and usually the option for even higher core counts, which is why it's an option for some workloads but not others. If you don't need HEDT features and you're looking for value, a high core count CPU on a more affordable mainstream platform is a good option. 

 

2 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I'm sorry, I don't see your point... first of all that's not true because the chipsets themselves are much more expensive and, secondly, why is it a problem for anyone that these chips are available on the cheaper platform? Even among prosumers not that many people need 60+ pcie lanes or quad channel ram. The "mainstream" platform has become feature complete to the point that a lot of professionals who need cpu performance don't need to splurge for a 600$ motherboard. Or at least, they don't need to if they're buying from AMD.

thats why you can offer different chipsets and mobos for said needs

like they already do in mainstream from low end to highend but extend the highend to hedt

most of cpu lanes come from the cpu itself ?

memory contoller is where?

 

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2 minutes ago, pas008 said:

 

thats why you can offer different chipsets and mobos for said needs

like they already do in mainstream from low end to highend but extend the highend to hedt

most of cpu lanes come from the cpu itself ?

memory contoller is where?

 

What? I'm... confused as to what your point is. Can't extend high end to HEDT, you get all sorts of issues. If you run different sockets it's all split up still and very confusing, if you run the same socket then not only do you have a tiny pentium inside a bigass HEDT shell (which is expensive, driving costs up), now do they all work on all chipsets? On AMD for sure, a TR CPU cannot physically fit in an AM4 socket package, meaning if you wanted to unify the lineup there'd be a 3200G inside a TRX40 socket sized chip, stupidly expensive and annoying to install with low cooler compatability. How are you deciding what chips run what RAM combo and what PCIe slots are active when? Intel's HEDT has been confusing enough with lower PCIe count HEDT chips, let alone trying to blend chips with different RAM channel configs and PCIe lane support. And what if some CPUs support bifurcation and NVMe raid and others don't? How do you differentiate that while keeping a unified setup? If we give all the CPUs all the PCIe lanes and quad channel RAM, the low end will now increase massively in price, no longer being cost effective for the people who need it.

Do you know nothing about chipsets and CPUs and how they work? There's a reason HEDT is usually compartmentalized to it's own socket and chipset/chipsets (Intel HEDT is often cross-compatible with their server platform, IIRC EPYC and TR are not). 


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Planned Desk Rig - i7 5820K - Noctua NH-L12S - EVGA X99 Micro 2 - 16GB (4x4GB) EVGA SSC DDR4 - EVGA XC Ultra 1660 Ti - 250GB 960 Evo - Seagate Firecuda 2TB - Seagate BarraCuda Pro 1TB - Corsair CX550 - Fractal Design Meshify C Mini - LG 25UM56-P - 25" 2560x1080 at 75Hz

X79 (waiting on mobo/CPU/RAM) - i7 4930K - EVGA CLC 280 - EVGA X79 Dark - 16GBGB (4x4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 - 2x EVGA Classified 780s - MX500 1TB - EVGA 1600W T2 - Corsair Air 540 - 3x NF-P12 Redux 

 

Planned X58 rig - Xeon X5670 - NH-D15S - EVGA X58 Classified SLI 4-Way - 24GB (3x8GB) HyperX Savage Red DDR3 - Undecided GPUS - probably a basic SSD - EVGA 1000W G3 - Undecided Case

 

I lowkey enjoy HEDT

 

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