Will a 240mm radiator be enough to cool

[ddennis002]

If gaming is the only thing your doing and you don't do any real video editing, transcoding. I would turn on PBO and XFR and just let the CPU clock itself.

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, ddennis002 said:

Keep going at that rate pumping that voltage into the chip with high heat your going to degrade that silicon quick and it won't hold a decent OC even under water.

I dont run that high of temps during gaming. Highest i see is around 70c and mind you i run 1080p 240hz

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, ddennis002 said:

If gaming is the only thing your doing and you don't do any real video editing, transcoding. I would turn on PBO and XFR and just let the CPU clock itself.

I would but after i ocd i saw a 20 fps jump on modernwarfare. The games i run use more than a few cores.

[ddennis002]

1 minute ago, Kingkems said:

I would but after i ocd i saw a 20 fps jump on modernwarfare. The games i run use more than a few cores.

I meant once you get water on it. PBO will hit 4.1Ghz all core with water

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, ddennis002 said:

I meant once you get water on it. PBO will hit 4.1Ghz all core with water

Yeah i thought about another aio but i dont want to have a 2 aios in 1 system. I was looking at the 120mm asus aio.

[Juular]

10 minutes ago, Kingkems said:

I dont think there is an option for thermal limit also heres the psu im using.

That's strange, i didn't found it in motherboard manual either, you're out of luck then.

10 minutes ago, Kingkems said:

heres the psu im using. Thermaltake Smart 750W 80+ Bronze

Yep, it's from 2013, not of good kind, refer to this thread when you'll be buying a new PSU. For dual Titan Xps i'd recommend nothing less than Tier A and up 750W+ PSU (or 1000W if you want it to stay quiet under load), preferably Tier A+\S because they're multirail, smth like Bitfenix Whisper \ Formula Gold, Enermax Revolution DF, Deepcool DQ-M, Corsair RMi\AX(i)\HX(i)

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

That's strange, i didn't found it in motherboard manual either, you're out of luck then.

Yep, it's from 2013, not of good kind, refer to this thread when you'll be buying a new PSU. For dual Titan Xps i'd recommend nothing less than Tier A and up 750W+ PSU (or 1000W if you want it to stay quiet under load), preferably Tier A+\S because they're multirail, smth like Bitfenix Whisper \ Formula Gold, Enermax Revolution DF, Deepcool DQ-M, Corsair RMi\AX(i)\HX(i)

I was gonna go with a g skill 1200 watt unit also im probably gonna order the 240kit and worst comes to worst i can always order another 240mm rad or 360 it.

[Juular]

Just now, Kingkems said:

I was gonna go with a g skill 1200 watt unit also im probably gonna order the 240kit and worst comes to worst i can always order another 240mm rad or 360 it.

You don't need 1200W, 1000W will be a plenty. G.Skill, assuming it's Ripjaws Platinum will be decent most likely (there's no reviews on it yet but it seems that it uses FSP Aurum PT platform so it should be similar to it) but if you can find multirail unit for comparable price (1000W) it would be better (see above).

[Kingkems]

Just now, Juular said:

You don't need 1200W, 1000W will be a plenty. G.Skill, assuming it's Ripjaws Platinum will be decent most likely (there's no reviews on it yet but it seems that it uses FSP Aurum PT platform so it should be similar to it) but if you can find multirail unit for comparable price (1000W) it would be better (see above).

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M6ZFf7/gskill-ripjaws-platinum-1250w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-gp-pl1250a-cwv1

[Juular]

1 minute ago, Kingkems said:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/M6ZFf7/gskill-ripjaws-platinum-1250w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-gp-pl1250a-cwv1

You're in US, right ?

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

You're in US, right ?

Yes

[Juular]

1 minute ago, Kingkems said:

Yes

I can't find any alternatives for it right now, PSU market in US got very weird after recent sales, prices and availability are all over the place. But it might change when if you'll buying it after a month or later. For now it's decent choice.

[Kingkems]

1 minute ago, Juular said:

I can't find any alternatives for it right now, PSU market in US got very weird after recent sales, prices and availability are all over the place. But it might change when if you'll buying it after a month or later. For now it's decent choice.

It should be enough but with 1200 watts id be cutting it close in terms of headroom with my breaker in my apartment.

[Juular]

3 minutes ago, Kingkems said:

It should be enough but with 1200 watts id be cutting it close in terms of headroom with my breaker in my apartment.

It's not going to consume all these 1200W, it will consume just a bit more than your other components power draw, about 600W in gaming. That's why i said that 750W will be enough and 1000W PSU will be very quiet under that load but you don't particularly need it. 1200W is overkill but it's decently priced in comparison.

[Kingkems]

Just now, Juular said:

It's not going to consume all these 1200W, it will consume just a bit more than your other components power draw, about 600W in gaming.

It should be fine but i need to get temps under control. Im thinking about another aio but i dont think having 2 aios will look that good.

[Tristerin]

I use 600mm of radiator space to push an R7 1700 @ 4.2ghz successfully through CineR20.  Im not sure how a 240mm standalone would handle that (it wont ).  I can say that my H100i 240mm AIO could NOT handle it (my CPU overclock).

[Juular]

Hmm, on the second look there's Deepcool DQ-M 850W for 130$, it probably will be a better choice, it's multi-rail, very quiet and has some wattage headroom over your average power draw with 2x Titan Xp and ~100W CPU like R7 3700X.

[Kingkems]

9 minutes ago, Juular said:

Hmm, on the second look there's Deepcool DQ-M 850W for 130$, it probably will be a better choice, it's multi-rail, very quiet and has some wattage headroom over your average power draw with 2x Titan Xp and ~100W CPU like R7 3700X.

Idc about noise i already have 3 110cfm fans that are cranked to the max.

[Kingkems]

11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I use 600mm of radiator space to push an R7 1700 @ 4.2ghz successfully through CineR20.  Im not sure how a 240mm standalone would handle that (it wont ).  I can say that my H100i 240mm AIO could NOT handle it (my CPU overclock).

Id be using 110 cfm fans on the radiator so i should be able to do it but even then its a bit out of my comfort zone.

[ddennis002]

10 minutes ago, Kingkems said:

Id be using 110 cfm fans on the radiator so i should be able to do it but even then its a bit out of my comfort zone.

what fans do you have in mind?

[Tristerin]

1 hour ago, Kingkems said:

Id be using 110 cfm fans on the radiator so i should be able to do it but even then its a bit out of my comfort zone.

Good luck!  I don't see it having the ability to absorb the heat spike like you think to pass a CineR20 with a lack of radiator real estate.   Id like to know the results!

[AngryBeaver]

3 hours ago, Kingkems said:

I have a system with a 2700x ocd to 4.2 on all cores at 1.375 volts and a titan x pascal. I was wondering if i slapped some 110cfm fans non pwm mind you would it be enough to cool the combo. As it stands the gpu is water cooled but id like to water cool my cpu because in gaming it gets up into the 60s and if i try to run say cinibench r20 i instantly hit thermal shutdown. I believe it is my thermal compound holding it back but i just wanna custom loop my rig.

For the record the black screen does point to instability. The higher the temps the more chance of electron migration which causes stability. That is why when overclocking lower temps can lead to lower voltages at a given clock which increases overclock head room.

 

If it was stable it would just throttle the cpu and a black/blue screen would most likely never occur. 

 

Now a good 240 or even better 280mm radiator will definitely help with temps, but there are other factors that still can affect it. Right now it seems you are pushing too much voltage for your cooling solution and are rubbing a clock speed that isn't stable at that voltage level.

 

So to be stable at 4.2 (if your silicon is good) you will need more voltage. More voltage will create more heat which is already your Achilles heel. 

 

So you should first revert back to auto settings. Then as you add more thermal headroom via cooling you can see where the clocks end up via the boosting before attempting for more.

 

For the record the difference from overclocking on these chips isn't much. It can actually hurt your gaming performance if you aren't careful.

[Tristerin]

3 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

 

 

For the record the difference from overclocking on these chips isn't much. It can actually hurt your gaming performance if you aren't careful.

100% disagree.  I have had limited experience on Zen+ (Threadripper 2990WX) compared to Zen in comparison but that is not the case with gaming...or any application I have benchmarked.  Every 100mhz increase scales considerably.

[Kingkems]

3 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

For the record the black screen does point to instability. The higher the temps the more chance of electron migration which causes stability. That is why when overclocking lower temps can lead to lower voltages at a given clock which increases overclock head room.

 

If it was stable it would just throttle the cpu and a black/blue screen would most likely never occur. 

 

Now a good 240 or even better 280mm radiator will definitely help with temps, but there are other factors that still can affect it. Right now it seems you are pushing too much voltage for your cooling solution and are rubbing a clock speed that isn't stable at that voltage level.

 

So to be stable at 4.2 (if your silicon is good) you will need more voltage. More voltage will create more heat which is already your Achilles heel. 

 

So you should first revert back to auto settings. Then as you add more thermal headroom via cooling you can see where the clocks end up via the boosting before attempting for more.

 

For the record the difference from overclocking on these chips isn't much. It can actually hurt your gaming performance if you aren't careful.

Again the cpu hits 105c and dosnt have time to throttle. It is behaving like my vega64 which pegged 105c and shut off right away and after multiple repastings i finally got the hotspot down to 90c. I dont think its instability as i havnt had any games crash. Ive fully loaded it using minecraft at 128 render chunks and even then the cpu was up to 90c. No crashes or anything. The system crashes when the cpu hits thermal shutdown.

[AngryBeaver]

40 minutes ago, Kingkems said:

Again the cpu hits 105c and dosnt have time to throttle. It is behaving like my vega64 which pegged 105c and shut off right away and after multiple repastings i finally got the hotspot down to 90c. I dont think its instability as i havnt had any games crash. Ive fully loaded it using minecraft at 128 render chunks and even then the cpu was up to 90c. No crashes or anything. The system crashes when the cpu hits thermal shutdown.

Except we are talking about processors that react in a millionth of a second. It has more than enough time to down clock the machine before that happens.

 

Have you see the tests where they run current gen cpus without a heatsinks? They never melt down and they don't black screen. They just drop their frequency and voltage so much they don't melt which kills performance, but not the chip.

4 hours ago, Tristerin said:

100% disagree.  I have had limited experience on Zen+ (Threadripper 2990WX) compared to Zen in comparison but that is not the case with gaming...or any application I have benchmarked.  Every 100mhz increase scales considerably

So by this I didn't mean overclocking doesn't help. I have said the gains for the effort are minimal and some times are on par with what xfr would have given.

 

As to the decrease in games I have seen several reviews (which I will need to dig up) where overclocking the all core on these did give more overall performance, but also hurt the single core and lesser core count performance. That was because the 4.2 orc 4.3 all core boost would be lower than the 4.5ghz boost on 4 cores or the 4.6ghz boost on a single core

 

My biggest take away is that AMD is doing a good enough job with how it handles boost and xfr that there isn't a lot left (if even) on the table. I mean a 100mhz bump is what a 2% increase under ideal circumstance.