New PC

[JP8296]

'm looking for replace my old 2013 rig, the new pc is basically for gaming and edit photos on photoshop and lightroom.
I'm thinking to spend around 1000/1500€, don't need a new screen.
This is wath I have im mind but any improvements are apreciated.

 

 MoBo: Asus PRIME Z370-A II - 162.54€
CPU:  Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6Ghz - 376.10€
RAM:  Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3000 PC4-24000 16GB 2x8GB CL15 - 87.37€
Storage:   Samsung SSD 860 EVO M.2 250GB - 64.66€
Toshiba L200 2.5" 1TB SATA 3 - 44.73€
GPU:Asus Dual GeForce RTX 2070 EVO 8GB GDDR6 - 467.50€
Case: NZXT H510 Vidro Temperado USB 3.1 Preta/Vermelha Mate -81.31€

 

The cooler, i'm still on the fence about watercooling or the regular air cooling.

[flashiling]

maybe go with a 3800x instead of the 9700k (and change mobo aswell ofc)

[SavageNeo]

3 minutes ago, flashiling said:

maybe go with a 3800x instead

while the 3800x is closer to i9 9900k than r7 3700x, it runs hotter and consumes more power, for 1500 eur build the r5 3600 and 5700 ct are the best options

[Meganter]

9 minutes ago, JP8296 said:

 

Hello,

 

Euros but which country ?

 

Z370 is not compatible with a 9th gen processor, so you'd need a bios update.

[JP8296]

1 minute ago, Plouffe said:

Hello,

 

Euros but which country ?

 

Z370 is not compatible with a 9th gen processor, so you'd need a bios update.

I'm from Portugal but I will buy the parts from Spain.

[SavageNeo]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$189.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$199.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$169.99 @ Amazon
Storage	ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$69.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$39.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB STRIX Gaming OC Video Card	$449.99 @ Newegg
Case	Aerocool P7-C0 ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$134.99 @ B&H
Case Fan	Anidees AI-Tesseract 30.54 CFM 120 mm Fans	$49.90 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Anidees AI-Tesseract 30.54 CFM 120 mm Fans	$49.90 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1474.69
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-09 08:31 EST-0500

That cpu cooler has rgb and good performance.

Dencent x570 board for future upgrades too (unlike intel you can upgrade to next gen whit out buying a new board)

That ram has rgb and price is not that high for cl16 3600mhz ram.

Adata sx8200 pro 1tb has good price to performance and great overall ssd-

One of the best 5700 XT:s can put 2070 super in the list instead if you prefer it.

These aerocool cases are underrated, that case was good, i had one, good airflow, rgb in the front.

That psu has 8+4pin cpu connectors so you can oc the cpu better.

Pretty underrated fans too, they actually pretty good

[JP8296]

9 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

while the 3800x is closer to i9 9900k than r7 3700x, it runs hotter and consumes more power, for 1500 eur build the r5 3600 and 5700 ct are the best options

I can get the r7 3700x for the same price of the i7 9700K, just don't know if the price difference between the r5 and r7 ou i7 worth it.

[SavageNeo]

Just now, JP8296 said:

I can get the r7 3700x for the same price of the i7 9700K, just don't know if the price difference between the r5 and r7 ou i7 worth it.

r5 3600 is pretty good for games etc, the 3700x is better at rendering than the i7 9700 since it has 8 more thread programs to utilize, check benchmarks

[Meganter]

1 minute ago, JP8296 said:

I can get the r7 3700x for the same price of the i7 9700K, just don't know if the price difference between the r5 and r7 ou i7 worth it.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	€208.00 @ Amazon Espana
Motherboard	MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	€96.24 @ PC Componentes
Memory	Patriot Viper 4 Blackout 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	€80.82 @ Alternate
Storage	Western Digital Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	€61.50 @ Coolmod
Storage	Seagate BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	€41.50 @ Coolmod
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC Video Card	€769.90 @ Amazon Espana
Case	Fractal Design Focus G ATX Mid Tower Case	€56.27 @ Amazon Espana
Power Supply	Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	€74.90 @ Amazon Espana
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€1389.13
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-09 14:33 CET+0100

 

Something that would do nice  the 3600 is enough for gaming and instead you get a 2080S.

[boggy77]

3 minutes ago, JP8296 said:

I can get the r7 3700x for the same price of the i7 9700K, just don't know if the price difference between the r5 and r7 ou i7 worth it.

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/Intel-i7-9700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-3700X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3600/3335vs3485vs3481

r5 3600 is on the same level as the 9700k, r7 3700 beats it pretty hard

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$189.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$39.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$199.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$169.99 @ Amazon
Storage	ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$69.98 @ Amazon
Storage	Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$39.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB STRIX Gaming OC Video Card	$449.99 @ Newegg
Case	Aerocool P7-C0 ATX Mid Tower Case	$79.98 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$134.99 @ B&H
Case Fan	Anidees AI-Tesseract 30.54 CFM 120 mm Fans	$49.90 @ Amazon
Case Fan	Anidees AI-Tesseract 30.54 CFM 120 mm Fans	$49.90 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$1474.69
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-09 08:31 EST-0500

That cpu cooler has rgb and good performance.

Dencent x570 board for future upgrades too (unlike intel you can upgrade to next gen whit out buying a new board)

That ram has rgb and price is not that high for cl16 3600mhz ram.

Adata sx8200 pro 1tb has good price to performance and great overall ssd-

One of the best 5700 XT:s can put 2070 super in the list instead if you prefer it.

These aerocool cases are underrated, that case was good, i had one, good airflow, rgb in the front.

That psu has 8+4pin cpu connectors so you can oc the cpu better.

Pretty underrated fans too, they actually pretty good

An X570 board isn't worth it when you can get a solid board like the Tomahawk MAX for less.

 

The Gigabyte Gaming OC and MSI Gaming X are both cheaper than the Strix on the Portugal pcp.

 

You don't need a psu with 2 cpu connectors. Also connecting both won't help with overclocking. And 850W is way more than needed, and the Focus isn't recommended anyway.

 

And why so much on case fans ? 

[SavageNeo]

Just now, lee32uk said:

You don't need a psu with 2 cpu connectors. Also connecting both won't help with overclocking. And 850W is way more than needed, and the Focus isn't recommended anyway.

You do not need two connector, but if hes gonna upgrade n the future to some 12 core, he would likely want that extra canle.

 

Just now, lee32uk said:

And 850W is way more than needed,

know that, but its the smallest one that has 2x esp cables.

 

1 minute ago, lee32uk said:

And why so much on case fans ? 

3 intake, 1 out take back and two out takes top. Best airflow possible.  

 

2 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

he Gigabyte Gaming OC and MSI Gaming X are both cheaper than the Strix on the Portugal pcp.

I did not know. Anyway get whats cheaer for you. Though do not get the cheapes ones like msi armor or msi ventus. Asus dual or asrock phantom x.

 

3 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

An X570 board isn't worth it when you can get a solid board like the Tomahawk MAX for less.

For upgrading in the future, its better to have x570 board than b450. I heard that zen 3 will support am4, so we will see if that is true

[GoldenLag]

38 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

Video Card Asus Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB STRIX Gaming OC Video Card $449.99 @ Newegg

PCB yes. but the rest of the card is pretty darn underwhealming. 

[SavageNeo]

2 minutes ago, GoldenLag said:

PCB yes. but the rest of the card is pretty darn underwhealming. 

My gpu actually runs pretty hot, so you might be right. It could be that mu gpu uses 2x8pin power

[GoldenLag]

13 minutes ago, SavageNeo said:

My gpu actually runs pretty hot, so you might be right. It could be that mu gpu uses 2x8pin power

No, its just that the cooling solution on it is mediocre. Also your case airflow is bad. 

 

420$ cards are better. 

[SavageNeo]

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Also your case airflow is bad. 

i know that, but can not mount fans on top or the bottom. Gonna mod this case in the summer

[JP8296]

Thanks everyone for the tips. I also do some stuff on AutoCad but the r5 or r7 will be a good option. On the motherboard the X570 looks better for future upgrades so even if i go with a less powerful CPU for now I can upgrade in the future with better compatibility . I have been reading a lot about cooling but still no conclusion, is water cooling better than air ou is just for the looks and noise? Moust Noctua air coolers seams to have the same performance as the watercoling, plus less maintenance, I like the looks but water on the pc is still weird for me.  The GPU, I don't know, I'm just a nVidia fan, my gtx 660 ti and 970 never did let me down. 

[Meganter]

2 minutes ago, JP8296 said:

Moust Noctua air coolers seams to have the same performance as the watercoling, plus less maintenance, I like the looks but water on the pc is still weird for me.

You answered yourself

[JP8296]

1 minute ago, Plouffe said:

You answered yourself

Yeah i know but is different to read benchmarks and discuss with people that have experience in both cases.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, SavageNeo said:

You do not need two connector, but if hes gonna upgrade n the future to some 12 core, he would likely want that extra canle.

 

know that, but its the smallest one that has 2x esp cables.

 

3 intake, 1 out take back and two out takes top. Best airflow possible.  

 

I did not know. Anyway get whats cheaer for you. Though do not get the cheapes ones like msi armor or msi ventus. Asus dual or asrock phantom x.

 

For upgrading in the future, its better to have x570 board than b450. I heard that zen 3 will support am4, so we will see if that is true

You don't need 2 EPS connectors even for a 3950X. A single 8 pin can provide around 384W. Unless you are doing extreme overclocking then it isn't needed. And by that I mean LN2.

 

There is no need to fill up every fan slot. More fans doesn't mean better. You are usually better off with more intake.

 

There are a few bad 5700XT's but the two I mentioned are fine.

 

The 'MAX' boards will support the 4000 series. A lot of other non X570 boards will as well. No need to go with an X570 unless you need pcie 4.0 etc. 

[Guest]

You can fit a 3700X into a 1500 Euro budget.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€348.70 @ Globaldata) 
CPU Cooler: Alpenföhn Brocken 3 60.62 CFM CPU Cooler  (€43.90 @ Globaldata) 
Motherboard: MSI B450-A PRO MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€90.90 @ Globaldata) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€71.33 @ Newegg Portugal) 
Storage: HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€152.43 @ Newegg Portugal) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€68.90 @ Globaldata) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING X Video Card  (€484.90 @ Globaldata) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Globaldata) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€94.90 @ Globaldata) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PWM PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€7.90 @ Globaldata) 
Total: €1453.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-09 16:23 CET+0100

 

 

Or if you prefer Intel and can get the 9700K for that price.

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  (€376.10) 
CPU Cooler: Alpenföhn Brocken 3 60.62 CFM CPU Cooler  (€43.90 @ Globaldata) 
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  (€114.90 @ Globaldata) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  (€71.33 @ Newegg Portugal) 
Storage: HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€152.43 @ Newegg Portugal) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€68.90 @ Globaldata) 
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING X Video Card  (€484.90 @ Globaldata) 
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro M TG ATX Mid Tower Case  (€89.90 @ Globaldata) 
Power Supply: BitFenix Whisper M 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (€94.90 @ Globaldata) 
Case Fan: ARCTIC P14 PWM PST 72.8 CFM 140 mm Fan  (€7.90 @ Globaldata) 
Total: €1505.16
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-09 16:33 CET+0100

 

[JP8296]

So I was planing on make a new pc on the new year, I had a litle problem and wont be able to do the full upgrade rigth now. So i was thinking if is worth it to upgrade my old rig now and buy the rest later this year. Rgight now I have a i5 3570K OC @4.2ghz nounted on a Asus P8Z77-V. I cam buy now a PNY RTX 2070 Super or ASUS RTX 2070 Super EVO OC Edition  and a EVGA BQ 650W PLUS Modular (my power suply is only 600W) and the motherboard, new processor and ram later, but I don't know if is worth it due to the graphic card get way to bottlenecked by the processor.