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R7 3700X vs i7 7700K

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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello,

 

So, I’m looking for a little verification and validation. This will be my first AMD CPU. I purchased a 3700X a few days ago due to a decent deal I got. I’ve had a 7700K since June 2017. It has served me well but I figured with newer games having more thread support I might as well get an 8C/16T processor. I have an ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus mobo on the way too, fyi. 

 

My concerns are: did I pull the trigger too soon? Was there even a point in me going ahead a swapping from 4C/8T to 8/16 right now? Are my thoughts of preparing for the future delusions?

 

By the by, I understand AMD’s CPUs are made to run faster with higher clocked RAM. So, with that, know that I have a 32GB kit (8x4) of Corsair Vengeance LPX @ 3333Mhz. Should I consider a higher clocked kit?

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4c/8t to 8c/16t is a huge upgrade and improvement. Newer games will going to rip your 4c/8t usage. 8c/16t you can play game and watch hentai in the background no problem but on 4c/8t is going to be struggle.

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While you pulled the trigger a bit soon IMO, the way things have been going the last half decade, the 3700X will still be relevant.


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I'll be in the minority here and say, if all you were doing was gaming, then no, it wasn't really worth it because the 7700k still has some life left in it. 

 

Generally worst case scenario:

 

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It's not a HUGE difference. And this is a stock 7700k. See attachment for RDR2 from Gamers Nexus - still not huge.

 

Were I you, I would have held on until Ryzen 4000 at least, which is reported to be even faster (and probably actually beat intel at gaming through and through) and you will notice a huge difference. 

 

But, it's a good chip, and you can still use your 7700k for other things. Can also try to sell it to people who foolishly bought i5s.

 

The 3700x will also demolish the 7700k at anything else.

 

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If it was me I'd return it and hold out on the 7700k until next summer when 4000 launches.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
13 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I'll be in the minority here and say, if all you were doing was gaming, then no, it wasn't really worth it because the 7700k still has some life left in it. 

 

Generally worst case scenario:

 

aco-1080p.png

 

It's not a HUGE difference. And this is a stock 7700k. See attachment for RDR2 from Gamers Nexus - still not huge.

 

Were I you, I would have held on until Ryzen 4000 at least, which is reported to be even faster (and probably actually beat intel at gaming through and through) and you will notice a huge difference. 

 

But, it's a good chip, and you can still use your 7700k for other things. Can also try to sell it to people who foolishly bought i5s.

 

The 3700x will also demolish the 7700k at anything else.

 

rdr2.png

 

If it was me I'd return it and hold out on the 7700k until next summer when 4000 launches.

Fantastic. Thank you very much for the response and data. 

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Another reference for specifically the 3700x. There are some improvements for sure, but i don't know if its a game changer.

 

In this one, most games on the 3700x have better minimums, and in others, no change, and in a few, the 7700k actually does better.

 

None of the FPS lows are terrible on the 7700k, though, which I think is the takeaway.


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Wife's System: i7-8700 // Arctic Freezer 33 // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 // Sapphire Vega 64 // Thermaltake Versa H17 // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB Samsung 860 EVO/500GB Silicon Power A55/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: ASUS VG245H/ASUS VP248Q // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G602 // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: Ryzen 5 1600 4.0ghz All-core @1.425v // Wraith PRISM // Gigabyte B450 Aorus M // 16GB GeIL DDR4 3200 // XFX Radeon RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Thermaltake Versa H17 // Corsair Vengeance Silver 650W // 120GB Sandisk SSD/120GB PNY CS900/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

Son's System: i5-9400 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDr4 3200 // ASUS RX 570 4GB OC // NZXT S340 Black // Seasonic S12II 620w Bronze // 525GB Crucial MX300/500GB Wester Digital Blue // Display: Dell P2417H - Eagletech KG010 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G203

 

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55 minutes ago, Alcatraz1015 said:

ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus

I better choice would have been ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming at $250, strongest vrm, but no post code, no clear cmos, no other extreme oc features.

 

ASUS ROG Crosshair 7 Hero wifi $230

lots of oc features, dont care for pcie4.0, post code, bios flashback, clear cmos rear io, non wifi is $20 cheaper, great board

 

Ah I see, I am mistaken, yes the TUF Gaming plus is a great board too, $195, wifi, solid vrm, has some t/s features, good heatsink.

 

ok yeah no I did not see your mobo, must've been some other tuf branded mobo that was shitty. all the mobo's are naming shit tuf this, gaming that, its getting hard to keep track.

 

 

you do want bios flashback, because then you can go to ryzen 4000 series.

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If all you do is game and when you're gaming there's not much multi-tasking going on then I also second that ditching the i7 7700K is by no means necessary yet...

 

Could you specify your GPU and display settings?


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CPU:  Intel Core i9 9900K @5.0ghz  |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Dark Rock 4 |~|  MOBO: Asus Z390M ROG Maximus XI GENE |~| RAM: 32gb 3333mhz CL15 G.Skill Trident Z RGB |~| GPU: nVidia TITAN V  |~| PSU: beQuiet! Dark Power Pro 11 80Plus Platinum  |~| Boot: Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2X4TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Iron Wolf + 2X2TB SSD SanDisk Ultra |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Acer Predator X34 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
 
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CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


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CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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Posted · Original PosterOP
2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

If all you do is game and when you're gaming there's not much multi-tasking going on then I also second that ditching the i7 7700K is by no means necessary yet...

 

Could you specify your GPU and display settings?

Sure, I have an RTX 2080 FE OC’d to almost 2.2Ghz and memory clocked to 8Ghz. And my display is a 24” Dell... something... 2560x1440 1ms 165hz.

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Just now, Alcatraz1015 said:

Sure, I have an RTX 2080 FE OC’d to almost 2.2Ghz and memory clocked to 8Ghz. And my display is a 24” Dell... something... 2560x1440 1ms 165hz.

all those benchmarks are with a 2080ti, so your results will be even less pronounced 


My System: i7-8700k 5.0ghz All-core delidded @1.365v // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 // 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200 // XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT RAW II // NZXT S340 White // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // Intel 660P 1TB NVME M.2 SSD/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/1TB 2.5" HGST HDD // Displays: ASUS VG248QE/Acer K242HYL/Acer K242HYL // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard - Logitech G502 // Corsair H70 Gaming Headset

 

Wife's System: i7-8700 // Arctic Freezer 33 // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 // Sapphire Vega 64 // Thermaltake Versa H17 // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB Samsung 860 EVO/500GB Silicon Power A55/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: ASUS VG245H/ASUS VP248Q // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G602 // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: Ryzen 5 1600 4.0ghz All-core @1.425v // Wraith PRISM // Gigabyte B450 Aorus M // 16GB GeIL DDR4 3200 // XFX Radeon RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Thermaltake Versa H17 // Corsair Vengeance Silver 650W // 120GB Sandisk SSD/120GB PNY CS900/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

Son's System: i5-9400 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDr4 3200 // ASUS RX 570 4GB OC // NZXT S340 Black // Seasonic S12II 620w Bronze // 525GB Crucial MX300/500GB Wester Digital Blue // Display: Dell P2417H - Eagletech KG010 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G203

 

Daughter's System: i3-8350k // Cooler Master i71c // MSI H310M Pro VDH-Plus // 16GB T-Force Vulkan 2666 (2400) // Zotac GTX 1060 3GB Mini // DarkFlash Micro ATX White // Corsair CX550 // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD // Display: Scepter 20" 1080p - Logitech Keyboard and Mouse

 

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Just now, Alcatraz1015 said:

Sure, I have an RTX 2080 FE OC’d to almost 2.2Ghz and memory clocked to 8Ghz. And my display is a 24” Dell... something... 2560x1440 1ms 165hz.

Honestly I wouldn't touch anything until next year with AMD 7nm+ and Intel 10nm hitting the market, you're somewhat trading six for half a dozen here on gaming strictly.

 

Even if the i7 7700K max outs usage it still can handle much the same way the R7 3700X would in gaming most of the time, if you have it overclocked then it's really not worth ditching it yet.


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Personal Use Rig:
CPU: Intel Core i9 9900 @4.75ghz |~| Cooling: beQuiet! Shadow Rock Slim |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z390M Gaming mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3400mhzCL15 Viper Steel |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition RTX 2080 Ti |~| PSU: beQuiet! Straight Power 11 80Plus Gold  |~|  Boot:  Intel 660p 2TB NVMe |~| Storage: 2x2TB SanDisk SSD Ultra 3D |~| Case: Cooler Master Case Pro 3 |~| Display: Viotek GN34CB 3440x1440p100hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.


HTPC / "Console of the house":

CPU: Intel Core i7 8700 @4.45ghz |~| Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212X |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z370M D3H mATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: nVidia Founders Edition GTX 1080 Ti |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.
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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

Honestly I wouldn't touch anything until next year with AMD 7nm+ and Intel 10nm hitting the market, you're somewhat trading six for half a dozen here on gaming strictly.

 

Even if the i7 7700K max outs usage it still can handle much the same way the R7 3700X would in gaming most of the time, if you have it overclocked then it's really not worth ditching it yet.

Yeah, I’m thinking with your and another’s feedback, I’ll probably just maintain my 7700K for a while yet. The 3700X and mobo are easily returnable. I saw a good deal and I jumped first just in case but it seems like it’s not really worth the time to have to completely reboot my system for what will mostly be minimal gains for the immediate future.

 

I appreciate the input. 

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My general opinion when it comes to ryzen is along the lines of "if you know how to overclock and tune your ram, knock yourself out, if not, don't bother." Ryzen requires some tweaking before it can hold up in gaming, but it is almost always better in productivity due to more efficient smt and generally amazing in price/perf. I always suggest ryzen to my buddies (even those on i7s) since I can walk them through and even perform the overclocking for them, but I understand why someone may not want to go through the hassle.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
On 12/8/2019 at 7:35 PM, Plutosaurus said:

all those benchmarks are with a 2080ti, so your results will be even less pronounced 

So here’s what I ended up doing, I returned the 3700X and mobo and swapped to a 9900K and the Z390 chipset version of my current MSI mobo. I offered my 7700K and mobo to a buddy of mine for $275. Everything considered, I will have basically spent less than $30 and upgraded to a 9900K - which I know beyond a doubt is a massive upgrade over my 7700K.

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40 minutes ago, Alcatraz1015 said:

So here’s what I ended up doing, I returned the 3700X and mobo and swapped to a 9900K and the Z390 chipset version of my current MSI mobo. I offered my 7700K and mobo to a buddy of mine for $275. Everything considered, I will have basically spent less than $30 and upgraded to a 9900K - which I know beyond a doubt is a massive upgrade over my 7700K.

Can't fault that upgrade. Enjoy!


My System: i7-8700k 5.0ghz All-core delidded @1.365v // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 5 // 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200 // XFX Radeon RX 5700 XT RAW II // NZXT S340 White // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // Intel 660P 1TB NVME M.2 SSD/1TB Samsung 860 EVO/1TB 2.5" HGST HDD // Displays: ASUS VG248QE/Acer K242HYL/Acer K242HYL // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard - Logitech G502 // Corsair H70 Gaming Headset

 

Wife's System: i7-8700 // Arctic Freezer 33 // Gigabyte Z390M Gaming // 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 // Sapphire Vega 64 // Thermaltake Versa H17 // Seasonic Focus Plus Gold 850w // 1TB Samsung 860 EVO/500GB Silicon Power A55/4TB Western Digital HDD // Displays: ASUS VG245H/ASUS VP248Q // Corsair K68 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G602 // LG BDRW // NexStar 5.25" USB 3 Enclosure

 

TV Gamer: Ryzen 5 1600 4.0ghz All-core @1.425v // Wraith PRISM // Gigabyte B450 Aorus M // 16GB GeIL DDR4 3200 // XFX Radeon RX 580 8GB XXX Edition // Thermaltake Versa H17 // Corsair Vengeance Silver 650W // 120GB Sandisk SSD/120GB PNY CS900/4TB Western Digital Blue // Display: 50" Westinghouse 1080p // Rii Wireless Mini Keyboard w/Touchpad/Xbox One Controllers

 

Son's System: i5-9400 // Cryorig H7 Quad Lumi // ASRock Z370 Extreme 4 // 16GB Corsair Vengeance DDr4 3200 // ASUS RX 570 4GB OC // NZXT S340 Black // Seasonic S12II 620w Bronze // 525GB Crucial MX300/500GB Wester Digital Blue // Display: Dell P2417H - Eagletech KG010 Mechanical Keyboard // Logitech G203

 

Daughter's System: i3-8350k // Cooler Master i71c // MSI H310M Pro VDH-Plus // 16GB T-Force Vulkan 2666 (2400) // Zotac GTX 1060 3GB Mini // DarkFlash Micro ATX White // Corsair CX550 // 480GB PNY CS1311 SSD // Display: Scepter 20" 1080p - Logitech Keyboard and Mouse

 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
22 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

Can't fault that upgrade. Enjoy!

I appreciated your input. That’s why the 9900K is happening. Thanks again. 

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