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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello everyone,I'm receiving a i5 9400 over my i7 7700 and i'm just really confused. I'm wondering which CPU is better; what GPU i should get (because i'm worried about bottle necking) I also am trying to stay above 144fps for competitive gaming. this is very hard for me because i overthink and am a perfectionist.

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multicore performance on the i5 is a little better, but for a gaming PC the 7700 is superior.

 

also they use different motherboards, the 7700 will have a lot of affordable used options 


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Just now, marcio said:

@Fasauceome Ok so i should keep my i7 7700 which i currently use? and will i benifit with a 2060 or a 2070? which gpu should i get

yes, keep the i7 and get the best GPU you can afford. what's your performance target?


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Posted · Original PosterOP

@Fasauceome I can get the 2070 but im worried about bottlenecking also i want to clarify i have the non K variant of the i7 and my performance target is above 144hz im even thinking about getting a 240hz monitor   

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Just now, marcio said:

@Fasauceome I can get the 2070 but im worried about bottlenecking also i want to clarify i have the non K variant of the i7 and my performance target is above 144hz im even thinking about getting a 240hz monitor   

if you're looking at 1080p 144Hz the 2070 will do well for you


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5 minutes ago, marcio said:

@Fasauceome Should i be worried about bottlenecking there and im sorry im new to the pc part scene i just dont want to waste any money

don't worry about it


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4 minutes ago, marcio said:

@Fasauceome I was looking into benchmarks and the i5 9400 got more fps then the i7 7700 are the tests fraud or wrong

 

There are games where this might be the case, what games will you be playing?

 

Also, what videos did you watch?

videos that do not feature someone actually holding the product and explaining its performance are usually fake, as they can "simulate" the performance to make more videos without buying hardware. There exist many of these videos on YouTube, where it's simply a side by side video and no introduction, no talking, and no real data.


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Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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1 hour ago, marcio said:

@Fasauceome Should i be worried about bottlenecking there and im sorry im new to the pc part scene i just dont want to waste any money

No, worry about experience and budget.

 

Bottlenecks are either the experience you don't want due to an under-powered piece of hardware or the experience you want at a higher price than you needed to pay.

 

If you get the FPS you want, at the resolution you want, at the settings you want, at the price you can afford then you are OK. 


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16 minutes ago, marcio said:

Yeah, these are some pretty bogus results. Userbenchmark is known to have some terrible data and that vid is fairly worthless.

 

The i7 has a faster clock speed and almost the same IPC so it'd be hard to justify the 6 core, especially for CSGO


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i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

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8 minutes ago, marcio said:

@Fasauceome i also have the non overclockable version of the i7 i dont have the i7 7700k and my base clock is 3.60

Base clock doesn't matter, the CPU will always be at the all core turbo in games, which for a 7700 is 4.0GHz, and the 9400 is 3.9GHz.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

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Just now, marcio said:

i still dont even know what to do

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Then the best plan is to just buy a new graphics card first because you were going to do that anyway, and then buy a new CPU if you really need one, but since you already have the i7 there's no reason to get rid of it yet


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

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i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

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19 minutes ago, marcio said:

whats your opinion the i7 7700 or the i5 9400? its not that i dont trust @Fasauceome i just need a second opinion

 

The i7 7700 is still a good performing CPU, if I were you I would not buy the i5 9400 because there is no real practical gain. Instead of buying a new cpu and motherboard I would use that money on other upgrades like a better GPU, or more ram if there is less than 16 gigs already, or maybe a nice monitor. 


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@Fasauceome where are you getting your numbers?  I see the i5 9400 as a slight upgrade to single core over the i7 7700 and even in multi-core workloads per thread. 

 

However if OP already has an i7 7700 and is thinking of upgrading (basically a tiny upside to a side grade) - that is a huge nope, not worth it imho either.

 


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Posted · Original PosterOP

@MadAnt250@Fasauceome i didn't have to buy it my brother is offering me the i5 for the i7 because i have a 1060 he needs and im thinking of getting the 2070 and i dont want to bottleneck and get shitty performance so im trying to figure out which CPU would benefit me the most 

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3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

where are you getting your numbers?  I see the i5 9400 as a slight upgrade to single core over the i7 7700 and even in multi-core workloads per thread

The closest decent comparison I can find is the GamersNexus review of the 8400 (which is almost the exact same) to the 7700k stock but judging from the lack of IPC increase from Kaby lake to coffee lake and the fact that the 9400 is slower clocked it'd be surprising to see increased single threaded performance, especially in games.


I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B

 

Primary PC:

i7 8086k (won) - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Kill Trident Z RGB - Force MP500 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - The venerated Hyper 212 Evo (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G2 650W - Black and green theme, Razer branwashed me.

Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference.

 

Linux Proliant ML150 G6:

Dual Xeon X5560 - 24GB ECC DDR3 - GTX 750 TI - old Seagate 1.5TB HDD - Dark moded Ubuntu (and Win7, cuz why not)

 

EVGA G3 thread, BR/BT threadSeasonic Focus thread, S12II/M12II thread, Userbenchmark (Et al.) is trash explained, PSU misconceptions, group reg is bad

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10 minutes ago, marcio said:

nt250@Fasauceome i didn't have to buy it my brother is offering me the i5 for the i7 because i have a 1060 he needs and im thinking of getting the 2070 and i dont want to bottleneck and get shitty performance so im trying to figure out which CPU would benefit me the most 

Oof, no, don't do that, your stuff is worth more than that.

The i7 7700 and gtx 1060 is not worth trading for a $145 CPU.


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CPU: Intel Core i5-7400 AMD Ryzen 5 2600x
 
Motherboard: Acer TC-780A(KBL) Gigabyte B450 Aorus m
 
RAM: 16GB (2 x 8GB) of DDR4(Mixed two brands and speeds, Kingston and Crucial) GEIL Potenza Evo at 3000Mhz
 
GPU: Nvidia GTX 970 reference card
 
HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB
External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport
SSD: NONE, eveything works fine, no need to upgrade.
 
PSU: EVGA 500 W1 80+white(No, it is not dangerous)
 
Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1050p @ 75Hz,
Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz
Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600X1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz
(Yes, I use a CRT and I prefer gaming on one)
 
Cooling: Grill with filter installed onto the front panel for air intake cooling with a 120mm Corsair ML120 and an old recycled 92mm cooler master(forgot model) fan for exhaust
 
Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches
 

 

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